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When the "Person" Abusing Your Child is a Chatbot: The Tragic Story of Sewell Setzer
Content Warning: This episode contains references to suicide, self-harm, and sexual abuse.
Megan Garcia lost her son Sewell to suicide after he was abused and manipulated by AI chatbots for months. Now, she?s suing the company that made those chatbots. On today?s episode of Your Undivided Attention, Aza sits down with journalist Laurie Segall, who's been following this case for months. Plus, Laurie?s full interview with Megan on her new show, Dear Tomorrow.
Aza and Laurie discuss the profound implications of Sewell?s story on the rollout of AI. Social media began the race to the bottom of the brain stem and left our society addicted, distracted, and polarized. Generative AI is set to supercharge that race, taking advantage of the human need for intimacy and connection amidst a widespread loneliness epidemic. Unless we set down guardrails on this technology now, Sewell?s story may be a tragic sign of things to come, but it also presents an opportunity to prevent further harms moving forward.
If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health, you can reach out to the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988; this connects you to trained crisis counselors 24/7 who can provide support and referrals to further assistance.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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The first episode of Dear Tomorrow, from Mostly Human Media
The CHT Framework for Incentivizing Responsible AI Development
Further reading on Sewell?s case
Character.ai?s ?About Us? page
Further reading on the addictive properties of AI
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AI Is Moving Fast. We Need Laws that Will Too.
This Moment in AI: How We Got Here and Where We?re Going
Jonathan Haidt On How to Solve the Teen Mental Health Crisis
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Is It AI? One Tool to Tell What?s Real with Truemedia.org CEO Oren Etzioni
Social media disinformation did enormous damage to our shared idea of reality. Now, the rise of generative AI has unleashed a flood of high-quality synthetic media into the digital ecosystem. As a result, it's more difficult than ever to tell what?s real and what?s not, a problem with profound implications for the health of our society and democracy. So how do we fix this critical issue?
As it turns out, there?s a whole ecosystem of folks to answer that question. One is computer scientist Oren Etzioni, the CEO of TrueMedia.org, a free, non-partisan, non-profit tool that is able to detect AI generated content with a high degree of accuracy. Oren joins the show this week to talk about the problem of deepfakes and disinformation and what he sees as the best solutions.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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Further reading on the deepfaked image of an explosion near the Pentagon
Further reading on the deepfaked robocall pretending to be President Biden
Further reading on the election deepfake in Slovakia
Further reading on the President Obama lip-syncing deepfake from 2017
One of several deepfake quizzes from the New York Times, test yourself!
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?We Have to Get It Right?: Gary Marcus On Untamed AI
Taylor Swift is Not Alone: The Deepfake Nightmare Sweeping the Internet
Synthetic Humanity: AI & What?s At Stake
CLARIFICATION: Oren said that the largest social media platforms ?don?t see a responsibility to let the public know this was manipulated by AI.? Meta has made a public commitment to flagging AI-generated or -manipulated content. Whereas other platforms like TikTok and Snapchat rely on users to flag.
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'A Turning Point in History': Yuval Noah Harari on AI?s Cultural Takeover
Historian Yuval Noah Harari says that we are at a critical turning point. One in which AI?s ability to generate cultural artifacts threatens humanity?s role as the shapers of history. History will still go on, but will it be the story of people or, as he calls them, ?alien AI agents??
In this conversation with Aza Raskin, Harari discusses the historical struggles that emerge from new technology, humanity?s AI mistakes so far, and the immediate steps lawmakers can take right now to steer us towards a non-dystopian future.
This episode was recorded live at the Commonwealth Club World Affairs of California.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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NEXUS: A Brief History of Information Networks from the Stone Age to AI by Yuval Noah Harari
Further reading on the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment Further reading on AlphaGo?s ?move 37?
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This Moment in AI: How We Got Here and Where We?re Going
The Tech We Need for 21st Century Democracy with Divya Siddarth
Synthetic Humanity: AI & What?s At Stake
Two Million Years in Two Hours: A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari
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?We Have to Get It Right?: Gary Marcus On Untamed AI
It?s a confusing moment in AI. Depending on who you ask, we?re either on the fast track to AI that?s smarter than most humans, or the technology is about to hit a wall. Gary Marcus is in the latter camp. He?s a cognitive psychologist and computer scientist who built his own successful AI start-up. But he?s also been called AI?s loudest critic.
On Your Undivided Attention this week, Gary sits down with CHT Executive Director Daniel Barcay to defend his skepticism of generative AI and to discuss what we need to do as a society to get the rollout of this technology right? which is the focus of his new book, Taming Silicon Valley: How We Can Ensure That AI Works for Us.
The bottom line: No matter how quickly AI progresses, Gary argues that our society is woefully unprepared for the risks that will come from the AI we already have.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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Link to Gary?s book: Taming Silicon Valley: How We Can Ensure That AI Works for Us
Further reading on the deepfake of the CEO of India's National Stock Exchange
Further reading on the deepfake of of an explosion near the Pentagon.
The study Gary cited on AI and false memories.
Footage from Gary and Sam Altman?s Senate testimony.
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Former OpenAI Engineer William Saunders on Silence, Safety, and the Right to Warn
Taylor Swift is Not Alone: The Deepfake Nightmare Sweeping the Internet
No One is Immune to AI Harms with Dr. Joy Buolamwini
Correction: Gary mistakenly listed the reliability of GPS systems as 98%. The federal government?s standard for GPS reliability is 95%.
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AI Is Moving Fast. We Need Laws that Will Too.
AI is moving fast. And as companies race to rollout newer, more capable models?with little regard for safety?the downstream risks of those models become harder and harder to counter. On this week?s episode of Your Undivided Attention, CHT?s policy director Casey Mock comes on the show to discuss a new legal framework to incentivize better AI, one that holds AI companies liable for the harms of their products.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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The CHT Framework for Incentivizing Responsible AI Development
Further Reading on Air Canada?s Chatbot Fiasco
Further Reading on the Elon Musk Deep Fake Scams
The Full Text of SB1047, California?s AI Regulation Bill
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Former OpenAI Engineer William Saunders on Silence, Safety, and the Right to Warn
Can We Govern AI? with Marietje Schaake
A First Step Toward AI Regulation with Tom Wheeler
Correction: Casey incorrectly stated the year that the US banned child labor as 1937. It was banned in 1938.
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Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)
[This episode originally aired on August 17, 2023] For all the talk about AI, we rarely hear about how it will change our relationships. As we swipe to find love and consult chatbot therapists, acclaimed psychotherapist and relationship expert Esther Perel warns that there?s another harmful ?AI? on the rise ? Artificial Intimacy ? and how it is depriving us of real connection. Tristan and Esther discuss how depending on algorithms can fuel alienation, and then imagine how we might design technology to strengthen our social bonds.
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Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel
Esther's debut work on the intricacies behind modern relationships, and the dichotomy of domesticity and sexual desire
The State of Affairs by Esther Perel
Esther takes a look at modern relationships through the lens of infidelity
Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel
Listen in as real couples in search of help bare the raw and profound details of their stories
Esther?s podcast that focuses on the hard conversations we're afraid to have at work
A young man strikes up an unconventional relationship with a doll he finds on the internet
In a near future, a lonely writer develops an unlikely relationship with an operating system designed to meet his every need
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Big Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael Moss
The Three Rules of Humane Tech
Digital Democracy is Within Reach with Audrey Tang
CORRECTION: Esther refers to the 2007 film Lars and the Real Doll. The title of the film is Lars and the Real Girl.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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Tech's Big Money Campaign is Getting Pushback with Margaret O'Mara and Brody Mullins
Today, the tech industry is the second-biggest lobbying power in Washington, DC, but that wasn?t true as recently as ten years ago. How did we get to this moment? And where could we be going next? On this episode of Your Undivided Attention, Tristan and Daniel sit down with historian Margaret O?Mara and journalist Brody Mullins to discuss how Silicon Valley has changed the nature of American lobbying.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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The Wolves of K Street: The Secret History of How Big Money Took Over Big Government - Brody?s book on the history of lobbying.
The Code: Silicon Valley and the Remaking of America - Margaret?s book on the historical relationship between Silicon Valley and Capitol Hill
More information on the Google antitrust ruling
More information on the SOPA/PIPA internet blackout
Detailed breakdown of Internet lobbying from Open Secrets
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U.S. Senators Grilled Social Media CEOs. Will Anything Change?
Can We Govern AI? with Marietje Schaake
The Race to Cooperation with David Sloan Wilson
CORRECTION: Brody Mullins refers to AT&T as having a ?hundred million dollar? lobbying budget in 2006 and 2007. While we couldn?t verify the size of their budget for lobbying, their actual lobbying spend was much less than this: $27.4m in 2006 and $16.5m in 2007, according to OpenSecrets.
The views expressed by guests appearing on Center for Humane Technology?s podcast, Your Undivided Attention, are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of CHT. CHT does not support or oppose any candidate or party for election to public office
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This Moment in AI: How We Got Here and Where We?re Going
It?s been a year and half since Tristan and Aza laid out their vision and concerns for the future of artificial intelligence in The AI Dilemma. In this Spotlight episode, the guys discuss what?s happened since then?as funding, research, and public interest in AI has exploded?and where we could be headed next. Plus, some major updates on social media reform, including the passage of the Kids Online Safety and Privacy Act in the Senate.
Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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The AI Dilemma: Tristan and Aza?s talk on the catastrophic risks posed by AI.
Info Sheet on KOSPA: More information on KOSPA from FairPlay.
Situational Awareness by Leopold Aschenbrenner: A widely cited blog from a former OpenAI employee, predicting the rapid arrival of AGI.
AI for Good: More information on the AI for Good summit that was held earlier this year in Geneva.
Using AlphaFold in the Fight Against Plastic Pollution: More information on Google?s use of AlphaFold to create an enzyme to break down plastics.
Swiss Call For Trust and Transparency in AI: More information on the initiatives mentioned by Katharina Frey.
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War is a Laboratory for AI with Paul Scharre
Jonathan Haidt On How to Solve the Teen Mental Health Crisis
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The Three Rules of Humane Tech
Clarification: Swiss diplomat Nina Frey?s full name is Katharina Frey.
The views expressed by guests appearing on Center for Humane Technology?s podcast, Your Undivided Attention, are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of CHT. CHT does not support or oppose any candidate or party for election to public office
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Decoding Our DNA: How AI Supercharges Medical Breakthroughs and Biological Threats with Kevin Esvelt
AI has been a powerful accelerant for biological research, rapidly opening up new frontiers in medicine and public health. But that progress can also make it easier for bad actors to manufacture new biological threats. In this episode, Tristan and Daniel sit down with biologist Kevin Esvelt to discuss why AI has been such a boon for biologists and how we can safeguard society against the threats that AIxBio poses.
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Sculpting Evolution: Information on Esvelt?s lab at MIT.
SecureDNA: Esvelt?s free platform to provide safeguards for DNA synthesis.
The Framework for Nucleic Acid Synthesis Screening: The Biden admin?s suggested guidelines for DNA synthesis regulation.
Senate Hearing on Regulating AI Technology: C-SPAN footage of Dario Amodei?s testimony to Congress.
The AlphaFold Protein Structure Database
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U.S. Senators Grilled Social Media CEOs. Will Anything Change?
Big Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael Moss
Clarification: President Biden?s executive order only applies to labs that receive funding from the federal government, not state governments.
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How to Think About AI Consciousness With Anil Seth
Will AI ever start to think by itself? If it did, how would we know, and what would it mean?
In this episode, Dr. Anil Seth and Aza discuss the science, ethics, and incentives of artificial consciousness. Seth is Professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex and the author of Being You: A New Science of Consciousness.
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A free, plain text version of the Shelley?s classic of gothic literature.
A video from OpenAI demonstrating GPT4o?s remarkable ability to mimic human sentience.
You Can Have the Blue Pill or the Red Pill, and We?re Out of Blue Pills
The NYT op-ed from last year by Tristan, Aza, and Yuval Noah Harari outlining the AI dilemma.
Thomas Nagel?s essay on the nature of consciousness.
Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?
Philosopher Nick Bostrom?s essay on the simulation hypothesis.
Anthropic?s Golden Gate Claude
A blog post about Anthropic?s recent discovery of millions of distinct concepts within their LLM, a major development in the field of AI interpretability.
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Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy
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Why Are Migrants Becoming AI Test Subjects? With Petra Molnar
Climate change, political instability, hunger. These are just some of the forces behind an unprecedented refugee crisis that?s expected to include over a billion people by 2050. In response to this growing crisis, wealthy governments like the US and the EU are employing novel AI and surveillance technologies to slow the influx of migrants at their borders. But will this rollout stop at the border?
In this episode, Tristan and Aza sit down with Petra Molnar to discuss how borders have become a proving ground for the sharpest edges of technology, and especially AI. Petra is an immigration lawyer and co-creator of the Migration and Technology Monitor. Her new book is ?The Walls Have Eyes: Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.?
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The Walls Have Eyes: Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence
Petra?s newly published book on the rollout of high risk tech at the border.
A report co-authored by Petra about Canada?s use of AI technology in their immigration process.
A report authored by Petra about the use of experimental technology in EU border enforcement.
Startup Pitched Tasing Migrants from Drones, Video Reveals
An article from The Intercept, containing the demo for Brinc?s taser drone pilot program.
The UNHCR
Information about the global refugee crisis from the UN.
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War is a Laboratory for AI with Paul Scharre
No One is Immune to AI Harms with Dr. Joy Buolamwini
Can We Govern AI? With Marietje Schaake
CLARIFICATION:
The iBorderCtrl project referenced in this episode was a pilot project that was discontinued in 2019
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Former OpenAI Engineer William Saunders on Silence, Safety, and the Right to Warn
This week, a group of current and former employees from OpenAI and Google DeepMind penned an open letter accusing the industry?s leading companies of prioritizing profits over safety. This comes after a spate of high profile departures from OpenAI, including co-founder Ilya Sutskever and senior researcher Jan Leike, as well as reports that OpenAI has gone to great lengths to silence would-be whistleblowers.
The writers of the open letter argue that researchers have a ?right to warn? the public about AI risks and laid out a series of principles that would protect that right. In this episode, we sit down with one of those writers: William Saunders, who left his job as a research engineer at OpenAI in February. William is now breaking the silence on what he saw at OpenAI that compelled him to leave the company and to put his name to this letter.
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My Perspective On "A Right to Warn about Advanced Artificial Intelligence": A follow-up from William about the letter
Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees: An investigation by Vox into OpenAI?s policy of non-disparagement.
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A First Step Toward AI Regulation with Tom WheelerSpotlight on AI: What Would It Take For This to Go Well?Big Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael MossCan We Govern AI? With Marietje SchaakeYour Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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War is a Laboratory for AI with Paul Scharre
Right now, militaries around the globe are investing heavily in the use of AI weapons and drones. From Ukraine to Gaza, weapons systems with increasing levels of autonomy are being used to kill people and destroy infrastructure and the development of fully autonomous weapons shows little signs of slowing down. What does this mean for the future of warfare? What safeguards can we put up around these systems? And is this runaway trend toward autonomous warfare inevitable or will nations come together and choose a different path? In this episode, Tristan and Daniel sit down with Paul Scharre to try to answer some of these questions. Paul is a former Army Ranger, the author of two books on autonomous weapons and he helped the Department of Defense write a lot of its policy on the use of AI in weaponry.
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Four Battlegrounds: Power in the Age of Artificial Intelligence: Paul?s book on the future of AI in war, which came out in 2023.
Army of None: Autonomous Weapons and the Future of War: Paul?s 2018 book documenting and predicting the rise of autonomous and semi-autonomous weapons as part of modern warfare.
The Perilous Coming Age of AI Warfare: How to Limit the Threat of Autonomous Warfare: Paul?s article in Foreign Affairs based on his recent trip to the battlefield in Ukraine.
The night the world almost almost ended: A BBC documentary about Stanislav Petrov?s decision not to start nuclear war.
AlphaDogfight Trials Final Event: The full simulated dogfight between an AI and human pilot. The AI pilot swept, 5-0.
?Lavender?: The AI machine directing Israel?s bombing spree in Gaza: An investigation into the use of AI targeting systems by the IDF.
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The AI ?Race?: China vs. the US with Jeffrey Ding and Karen HaoCan We Govern AI? with Marietje SchaakeBig Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael MossThe Invisible Cyber-War with Nicole PerlrothYour Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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AI and Jobs: How to Make AI Work With Us, Not Against Us With Daron Acemoglu
Tech companies say that AI will lead to massive economic productivity gains. But as we know from the first digital revolution, that?s not what happened. Can we do better this time around?
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Power and Progress by Daron Acemoglu and Simon Johnson Professor Acemoglu co-authored a bold reinterpretation of economics and history that will fundamentally change how you see the world
Can we Have Pro-Worker AI? Professor Acemoglu co-authored this paper about redirecting AI development onto the human-complementary path
Rethinking Capitalism: In Conversation with Daron Acemoglu The Wheeler Institute for Business and Development hosted Professor Acemoglu to examine how technology affects the distribution and growth of resources while being shaped by economic and social incentives
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The Three Rules of Humane TechThe Tech We Need for 21st Century DemocracyCan We Govern AI?An Alternative to Silicon Valley UnicornsYour Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
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Jonathan Haidt On How to Solve the Teen Mental Health Crisis
Suicides. Self harm. Depression and anxiety. The toll of a social media-addicted, phone-based childhood has never been more stark. It can be easy for teens, parents and schools to feel like they?re trapped by it all. But in this conversation with Tristan Harris, author and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt makes the case that the conditions that led to today?s teenage mental health crisis can be turned around ? with specific, achievable actions we all can take starting today.
This episode was recorded live at the San Francisco Commonwealth Club.
Correction: Tristan mentions that 40 Attorneys General have filed a lawsuit against Meta for allegedly fostering addiction among children and teens through their products. However, the actual number is 42 Attorneys General who are taking legal action against Meta.
Clarification: Jonathan refers to the Wait Until 8th pledge. By signing the pledge, a parent promises not to give their child a smartphone until at least the end of 8th grade. The pledge becomes active once at least ten other families from their child?s grade pledge the same.
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Chips Are the Future of AI. They?re Also Incredibly Vulnerable. With Chris Miller
Beneath the race to train and release more powerful AI models lies another race: a race by companies and nation-states to secure the hardware to make sure they win AI supremacy.
Correction: The latest available Nvidia chip is the Hopper H100 GPU, which has 80 billion transistors. Since the first commercially available chip had four transistors, the Hopper actually has 20 billion times that number. Nvidia recently announced the Blackwell, which boasts 208 billion transistors - but it won?t ship until later this year.
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Chip War: The Fight For the World?s Most Critical Technology by Chris Miller
To make sense of the current state of politics, economics, and technology, we must first understand the vital role played by chips
Gordon Moore Biography & Facts
Gordon Moore, the Intel co-founder behind Moore's Law, passed away in March of 2023
AI?s most popular chipmaker Nvidia is trying to use AI to design chips faster
Nvidia's GPUs are in high demand - and the company is using AI to accelerate chip production
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Future-proofing Democracy In the Age of AI with Audrey Tang
How Will AI Affect the 2024 Elections? with Renee DiResta and Carl Miller
The AI ?Race?: China vs. the US with Jeffrey Ding and Karen Hao
Protecting Our Freedom of Thought with Nita Farahany
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Future-proofing Democracy In the Age of AI with Audrey Tang
What does a functioning democracy look like in the age of artificial intelligence? Could AI even be used to help a democracy flourish? Just in time for election season, Taiwan?s Minister of Digital Affairs Audrey Tang returns to the podcast to discuss healthy information ecosystems, resilience to cyberattacks, how to ?prebunk? deepfakes, and more.
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This academic paper addresses tough questions for Americans: Who governs? Who really rules?
Recursive Public is an experiment in identifying areas of consensus and disagreement among the international AI community, policymakers, and the general public on key questions of governance
A Strong Democracy is a Digital Democracy
Audrey Tang?s 2019 op-ed for The New York Times
The Frontiers of Digital Democracy
Nathan Gardels interviews Audrey Tang in Noema
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Digital Democracy is Within Reach with Audrey Tang
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U.S. Senators Grilled Social Media CEOs. Will Anything Change?
Was it political progress, or just political theater? The recent Senate hearing with social media CEOs led to astonishing moments ? including Mark Zuckerberg?s public apology to families who lost children following social media abuse. Our panel of experts, including Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, untangles the explosive hearing, and offers a look ahead, as well. How will this hearing impact protocol within these social media companies? How will it impact legislation? In short: will anything change?
Clarification: Julie says that shortly after the hearing, Meta?s stock price had the biggest increase of any company in the stock market?s history. It was the biggest one-day gain by any company in Wall Street history.
Correction: Frances says it takes Snap three or four minutes to take down exploitative content. In Snap's most recent transparency report, they list six minutes as the median turnaround time to remove exploitative content.
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Founded by Julie Scelfo, Get Media Savvy is a non-profit initiative working to establish a healthy media environment for kids and families
The Power of One by Frances Haugen
The inside story of France?s quest to bring transparency and accountability to Big Tech
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Real Social Media Solutions, Now with Frances Haugen
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Taylor Swift is Not Alone: The Deepfake Nightmare Sweeping the Internet
Over the past year, a tsunami of apps that digitally strip the clothes off real people has hit the market. Now anyone can create fake non-consensual sexual images in just a few clicks. With cases proliferating in high schools, guest presenter Laurie Segall talks to legal scholar Mary Anne Franks about the AI-enabled rise in deep fake porn and what we can do about it.
Correction: Laurie refers to the app 'Clothes Off.' It?s actually named Clothoff. There are many clothes remover apps in this category.
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Revenge Porn: The Cyberwar Against Women
In a five-part digital series, Laurie Segall uncovers a disturbing internet trend: the rise of revenge porn
In this provocative book, Mary Anne Franks examines the thin line between constitutional fidelity and constitutional fundamentalism
Fake Explicit Taylor Swift Images Swamp Social Media
Calls to protect women and crack down on the platforms and technology that spread such images have been reignited
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No One is Immune to AI Harms
Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy
Social Media Victims Lawyer Up
The AI Dilemma
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Can Myth Teach Us Anything About the Race to Build Artificial General Intelligence? With Josh Schrei
We usually talk about tech in terms of economics or policy, but the casual language tech leaders often use to describe AI ? summoning an inanimate force with the powers of code ? sounds more... magical. So, what can myth and magic teach us about the AI race? Josh Schrei, mythologist and host of The Emerald podcast, says that foundational cultural tales like "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" or Prometheus teach us the importance of initiation, responsibility, human knowledge, and care. He argues these stories and myths can guide ethical tech development by reminding us what it is to be human.
Correction: Josh says the first telling of "The Sorcerer?s Apprentice" myth dates back to ancient Egypt, but it actually dates back to ancient Greece.
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The Emerald explores the human experience through a vibrant lens of myth, story, and imagination
Embodied Ethics in The Age of AI
A five-part course with The Emerald podcast?s Josh Schrei and School of Wise Innovation?s Andrew Dunn
Nature Nurture: Children Can Become Stewards of Our Delicate Planet
A U.S. Department of the Interior study found that the average American kid can identify hundreds of corporate logos but not plants and animals
AI is revolutionizing the world - here's how democracies can come out on top. This upcoming book was authored by an architect of President Biden's AI executive order
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How Will AI Affect the 2024 Elections?
The Three Rules of Humane Tech
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How Will AI Affect the 2024 Elections? with Renee DiResta and Carl Miller
2024 will be the biggest election year in world history. Forty countries will hold national elections, with over two billion voters heading to the polls. In this episode of Your Undivided Attention, two experts give us a situation report on how AI will increase the risks to our elections and our democracies.
Correction: Tristan says two billion people from 70 countries will be undergoing democratic elections in 2024. The number expands to 70 when non-national elections are factored in.
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White House AI Executive Order Takes On Complexity of Content Integrity Issues
Renee DiResta?s piece in Tech Policy Press about content integrity within President Biden?s AI executive order
The Stanford Internet Observatory
A cross-disciplinary program of research, teaching and policy engagement for the study of abuse in current information technologies, with a focus on social media
Britain?s leading cross-party think tank
Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality by Renee DiResta
Pre-order Renee?s upcoming book that?s landing on shelves June 11, 2024
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The Spin Doctors Are In with Renee DiResta
From Russia with Likes Part 1 with Renee DiResta
From Russia with Likes Part 2 with Renee DiResta
Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy
A Conversation with Facebook Whistleblower Frances Haugen
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2023 Ask Us Anything
You asked, we answered. This has been a big year in the world of tech, with the rapid proliferation of artificial intelligence, acceleration of neurotechnology, and continued ethical missteps of social media. Looking back on 2023, there are still so many questions on our minds, and we know you have a lot of questions too. So we created this episode to respond to listener questions and to reflect on what lies ahead.
Correction: Tristan mentions that 41 Attorneys General have filed a lawsuit against Meta for allegedly fostering addiction among children and teens through their products. However, the actual number is 42 Attorneys General who are taking legal action against Meta.
Correction: Tristan refers to Casey Mock as the Center for Humane Technology?s Chief Policy and Public Affairs Manager. His title is Chief Policy and Public Affairs Officer.
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Marietje Schaake curates this briefing on artificial intelligence and technology policy from around the world
President Biden?s executive order on the safe, secure, and trustworthy development and use of AI
Meta sued by 42 AGs for addictive features targeting kids
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The Promise and Peril of Open Source AI with Elizabeth Seger and Jeffrey Ladish
As AI development races forward, a fierce debate has emerged over open source AI models. So what does it mean to open-source AI? Are we opening Pandora?s box of catastrophic risks? Or is open-sourcing AI the only way we can democratize its benefits and dilute the power of big tech?
Correction: When discussing the large language model Bloom, Elizabeth said it functions in 26 different languages. Bloom is actually able to generate text in 46 natural languages and 13 programming languages - and more are in the works.
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A First Step Toward AI Regulation with Tom Wheeler
On Monday, Oct. 30, President Biden released a sweeping executive order that addresses many risks of artificial intelligence. Tom Wheeler, former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, shares his insights on the order with Tristan and Aza and discusses what?s next in the push toward AI regulation.
Clarification: When quoting Thomas Jefferson, Aza incorrectly says ?regime? instead of ?regimen.? The correct quote is: ?I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. And as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered, and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regime of their barbarous ancestors.?
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President Biden?s Executive Order on the safe, secure, and trustworthy development and use of AI
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No One is Immune to AI Harms with Dr. Joy Buolamwini
In this interview, Dr. Joy Buolamwini argues that algorithmic bias in AI systems poses risks to marginalized people. She challenges the assumptions of tech leaders who advocate for AI ?alignment? and explains why some tech companies are hypocritical when it comes to addressing bias.
Dr. Joy Buolamwini is the founder of the Algorithmic Justice League and the author of ?Unmasking AI: My Mission to Protect What Is Human in a World of Machines.?
Correction: Aza says that Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, predicts superintelligence in four years. Altman predicts superintelligence in ten years.
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Mustafa Suleyman Says We Need to Contain AI. How Do We Do It?
This is going to be the most productive decade in the history of our species, says Mustafa Suleyman, author of ?The Coming Wave,? CEO of Inflection AI, and founder of Google?s DeepMind. But in order to truly reap the benefits of AI, we need to learn how to contain it. Paradoxically, part of that will mean collectively saying no to certain forms of progress. As an industry leader reckoning with a future that?s about to be ?turbocharged? Mustafa says we can all play a role in shaping the technology in hands-on ways and by advocating for appropriate governance.
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Inside the First AI Insight Forum in Washington
Last week, Senator Chuck Schumer brought together Congress and many of the biggest names in AI for the first closed-door AI Insight Forum in Washington, D.C. Tristan and Aza were invited speakers at the event, along with Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Sam Altman, and other leaders. In this update on Your Undivided Attention, Tristan and Aza recount how they felt the meeting went, what they communicated in their statements, and what it felt like to critique Meta?s LLM in front of Mark Zuckerberg.
Correction: In this episode, Tristan says GPT-3 couldn?t find vulnerabilities in code. GPT-3 could find security vulnerabilities, but GPT-4 is exponentially better at it.
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Spotlight on AI: What Would It Take For This to Go Well?
Where do the top Silicon Valley AI researchers really think AI is headed? Do they have a plan if things go wrong? In this episode, Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin reflect on the last several months of highlighting AI risk, and share their insider takes on a high-level workshop run by CHT in Silicon Valley.
NOTE: Tristan refers to journalist Maria Ressa and mentions that she received 80 hate messages per hour at one point. She actually received more than 90 messages an hour.
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The AI ?Race?: China vs. the US with Jeffrey Ding and Karen Hao
In the debate over slowing down AI, we often hear the same argument against regulation. ?What about China? We can?t let China get ahead.? To dig into the nuances of this argument, Tristan and Aza speak with academic researcher Jeffrey Ding and journalist Karen Hao, who take us through what?s really happening in Chinese AI development. They address China?s advantages and limitations, what risks are overblown, and what, in this multi-national competition, is at stake as we imagine the best possible future for everyone.
CORRECTION: Jeffrey Ding says the export controls on advanced chips that were established in October 2022 only apply to military end-users. The controls also impose a license requirement on the export of those advanced chips to any China-based end-user.
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Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy
For all the talk about AI, we rarely hear about how it will change our relationships. As we swipe to find love and consult chatbot therapists, acclaimed psychotherapist and relationship expert Esther Perel warns that there?s another harmful ?AI? on the rise ? Artificial Intimacy ? and how it is depriving us of real connection. Tristan and Esther discuss how depending on algorithms can fuel alienation, and then imagine how we might design technology to strengthen our social bonds.
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Protecting Our Freedom of Thought with Nita Farahany
We are on the cusp of an explosion of cheap, consumer-ready neurotechnology - from earbuds that gather our behavioral data, to sensors that can read our dreams. And it?s all going to be supercharged by AI. This technology is moving from niche to mainstream - and it has the same potential to become exponential.
Legal scholar Nita Farahany talks us through the current state of neurotechnology and its deep links to AI. She says that we urgently need to protect the last frontier of privacy: our internal thoughts. And she argues that without a new legal framework around ?cognitive liberty,? we won?t be able to insulate our brains from corporate and government intrusion.
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Social Media Victims Lawyer Up with Laura Marquez-Garrett
Social media was humanity?s ?first contact? moment with AI. If we?re going to create laws that are strong enough to prevent AI from destroying our societies, we could benefit from taking a look at the major lawsuits against social media platforms that are playing out in our courts right now.
In our last episode, we took a close look at Big Food and its dangerous ?race to the bottom? that parallels AI. We continue that theme this week with an episode about litigating social media and the consequences of the race to engagement in order to inform how we can approach AI harms.
Our guest, attorney Laura Marquez-Garrett, left her predominantly defense-oriented practice to join the Social Media Victims Law Center in February 2022. Laura is literally on the front lines of the battle to hold social media firms accountable for the harms they have created in young people?s lives for the past decade.
Listener warning: there are distressing and potentially triggering details within the episode.
Correction: Tristan refers to the Social Media Victims Law Center as a nonprofit legal center. They are a for-profit law firm.
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1) If you're a parent whose child has been impacted by social media, Attorneys General in Colorado, New Hampshire, and Tennessee are asking to hear your story. Your testimonies can help ensure that social media platforms are designed safely for kids. For more information, please visit the respective state links.
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2) Social Media Victims Law Center
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Big Food, Big Tech and Big AI with Michael Moss
In the next two episodes of Your Undivided Attention, we take a close look at two respective industries: big food and social media, which represent dangerous ?races to the bottom? and have big parallels with AI.
And we are asking: what can our past mistakes and missed opportunities teach us about how we should approach AI harms?
In this first episode, Tristan talks to Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author Michael Moss. His book Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us rocked the fast food industry when it came out in 2014.
Tristan and Michael discuss how we can leverage the lessons learned from Big Food?s coordination failures, and whether it?s the responsibility of the consumer, the government, or the companies to regulate.
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What Can Technologists Learn from Sesame Street? With Dr. Rosemarie Truglio
What happens when creators consider what lifelong human development looks like in terms of the tools we make? And what philosophies from Sesame Street can inform how to steward the power of AI and social media to influence minds in thoughtful, humane directions?
When the first episode of Sesame Street aired on PBS in 1969, it was unlike anything that had been on television before - a collaboration between educators, child psychologists, comedy writers and puppeteers - all working together to do something that had never been done before: create educational content for children on television.
Fast-forward to the present: could we switch gears to reprogram today?s digital tools to humanely educate the next generation?
That?s the question Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin explore with Dr. Rosemarie Truglio, the Senior Vice President of Curriculum and Content for the Sesame Workshop, the non-profit behind Sesame Street.
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Spotlight: How Zombie Values Infect Society
You?re likely familiar with the modern zombie trope: a zombie bites someone you care about and they?re transformed into a creature who wants your brain. Zombies are the perfect metaphor to explain something Tristan and Aza have been thinking about lately that they call zombie values.
In this Spotlight episode of Your Undivided Attention, we talk through some examples of how zombie values limit our thinking around tech harms. Our hope is that by the end of this episode, you'll be able to recognize the zombie values that walk amongst us, and think through how to upgrade these values to meet the realities of our modern world.
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Feed Drop: AI Doomsday with Kara Swisher
There?s really no one better than veteran tech journalist Kara Swisher at challenging people to articulate their thinking. Tristan Harrris recently sat down with her for a wide ranging interview on AI risk. She even pressed Tristan on whether he is a doomsday prepper. It was so great, we wanted to share it with you here.
The interview was originally on Kara?s podcast ON with Kara Swisher. If you like it and want to hear more of Kara?s interviews with folks like Sam Altman, Reid Hoffman and others, you can find more episodes of ON with Kara Swisher here: https://link.chtbl.com/_XTWwg3k
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The Tech We Need for 21st Century Democracy with Divya Siddarth
Democracy in action has looked the same for generations. Constituents might go to a library or school every one or two years and cast their vote for people who don't actually represent everything that they care about. Our technology is rapidly increasing in sophistication, yet our forms of democracy have largely remained unchanged. What would an upgrade look like - not just for democracy, but for all the different places that democratic decision-making happens?
On this episode of Your Undivided Attention, we?re joined by political economist and social technologist Divya Siddarth, one of the world's leading experts in collective intelligence. Together we explore how new kinds of governance can be supported through better technology, and how collective decision-making is key to unlocking everything from more effective elections to better ways of responding to global problems like climate change.
Correction:
Tristan mentions Elon Musk?s attempt to manufacture ventilators early on in the COVID-19 pandemic. Musk ended up buying over 1,200 ventilators that were delivered to California.
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Spotlight: AI Myths and Misconceptions
A few episodes back, we presented Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin?s talk The AI Dilemma. People inside the companies that are building generative artificial intelligence came to us with their concerns about the rapid pace of deployment and the problems that are emerging as a result. We felt called to lay out the catastrophic risks that AI poses to society and sound the alarm on the need to upgrade our institutions for a post-AI world.
The talk resonated - over 1.6 million people have viewed it on YouTube as of this episode?s release date. The positive reception gives us hope that leaders will be willing to come to the table for a difficult but necessary conversation about AI.
However, now that so many people have watched or listened to the talk, we?ve found that there are some AI myths getting in the way of making progress. On this episode of Your Undivided Attention, we debunk five of those misconceptions.
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In this New York Times piece, Yuval Harari, Tristan Harris, and Aza Raskin call upon world leaders to respond to this moment at the level of challenge it presents.
A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system, and its wider environment, in ways we have never seen before
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Talking With Animals? Using AI
Despite our serious concerns about the pace of deployment of generative artificial intelligence, we are not anti-AI. There are uses that can help us better understand ourselves and the world around us. Your Undivided Attention co-host Aza Raskin is also co-founder of Earth Species Project, a nonprofit dedicated to using AI to decode non-human communication. ESP is developing this technology both to shift the way that we relate to the rest of nature, and to accelerate conservation research.
Significant recent breakthroughs in machine learning have opened ways to encode both human languages and map out patterns of animal communication. The research, while slow and incredibly complex, is very exciting. Picture being able to tell a whale to dive to avoid ship strikes, or to forge cooperation in conservation areas.
These advances come with their own complex ethical issues. But understanding non-human languages could transform our relationship with the rest of nature and promote a duty of care for the natural world.
In a time of such deep division, it?s comforting to know that hidden underlying languages may potentially unite us. When we study the patterns of the universe, we?ll see that humanity isn?t at the center of it.
Corrections:
Aza refers to the founding of Earth Species Project (ESP) in 2017. The organization was established in 2018.
When offering examples of self-awareness in animals, Aza mentions lemurs that get high on centipedes. They actually get high on millipedes.
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Can We Govern AI?
When it comes to AI, what kind of regulations might we need to address this rapidly developing new class of technologies? What makes regulating AI and runaway tech in general different from regulating airplanes, pharmaceuticals, or food? And how can we ensure that issues like national security don't become a justification for sacrificing civil rights?
Answers to these questions are playing out in real time. If we wait for more AI harms to emerge before proper regulations are put in place, it may be too late.
Our guest Marietje Schaake was at the forefront of crafting tech regulations for the EU. In spite of AI?s complexity, she argues there is a path forward for the U.S. and other governing bodies to rein in companies that continue to release these products into the world without oversight.
Correction: Marietje said antitrust laws in the US were a century ahead of those in the EU. Competition law in the EU was enacted as part of the Treaty of Rome in 1957, almost 70 years after the US.
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Spotlight: The Three Rules of Humane Tech
In our previous episode, we shared a presentation Tristan and Aza recently delivered to a group of influential technologists about the race happening in AI. In that talk, they introduced the Three Rules of Humane Technology. In this Spotlight episode, we?re taking a moment to explore these three rules more deeply in order to clarify what it means to be a responsible technologist in the age of AI.
Correction: Aza mentions infinite scroll being in the pockets of 5 billion people, implying that there are 5 billion smartphone users worldwide. The number of smartphone users worldwide is actually 6.8 billion now.
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If We Don?t Master AI, It Will Master Us
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The AI Dilemma
You may have heard about the arrival of GPT-4, OpenAI?s latest large language model (LLM) release. GPT-4 surpasses its predecessor in terms of reliability, creativity, and ability to process intricate instructions. It can handle more nuanced prompts compared to previous releases, and is multimodal, meaning it was trained on both images and text. We don?t yet understand its capabilities - yet it has already been deployed to the public.
At Center for Humane Technology, we want to close the gap between what the world hears publicly about AI from splashy CEO presentations and what the people who are closest to the risks and harms inside AI labs are telling us. We translated their concerns into a cohesive story and presented the resulting slides to heads of institutions and major media organizations in New York, Washington DC, and San Francisco. The talk you're about to hear is the culmination of that work, which is ongoing.
AI may help us achieve major advances like curing cancer or addressing climate change. But the point we're making is: if our dystopia is bad enough, it won't matter how good the utopia we want to create. We only get one shot, and we need to move at the speed of getting it right.
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TikTok?s Transparency Problem
A few months ago on Your Undivided Attention, we released a Spotlight episode on TikTok's national security risks. Since then, we've learned more about the dangers of the China-owned company: We've seen evidence of TikTok spying on US journalists, and proof of hidden state media accounts to influence the US elections. We?ve seen Congress ban TikTok on most government issued devices, and more than half of US states have done the same, along with dozens of US universities who are banning TikTok access from university wifi networks. More people in Western governments and media are saying that they used to believe that TikTok was an overblown threat. As we've seen more evidence of national security risks play out, there?s even talk of banning TikTok itself in certain countries. But is that the best solution? If we opt for a ban, how do we, as open societies, fight accusations of authoritarianism?
On this episode of Your Undivided Attention, we're going to do a deep dive into these questions with Marc Faddoul. He's the co-director of Tracking Exposed, a nonprofit investigating the influence of social media algorithms in our lives. His work has shown how TikTok tweaks its algorithm to maximize partisan engagement in specific national elections, and how it bans international news in countries like Russia that are fighting propaganda battles inside their own borders. In other words, we don't all get the same TikTok because there are different geopolitical interests that might guide which TikTok you see. That is a kind of soft power that TikTok operates on a global scale, and it doesn?t get talked about often enough.
We hope this episode leaves you with a lot to think about in terms of what the risks of TikTok are, how it's operating geopolitically, and what we can do about it.
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The Democratic Surround by Fred Turner
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Synthetic Humanity: AI & What?s At Stake
It may seem like the rise of artificial intelligence, and increasingly powerful large language models you may have heard of, is moving really fast? and it IS.
But what?s coming next is when we enter synthetic relationships with AI that could come to feel just as real and important as our human relationships... And perhaps even more so.
In this episode of Your Undivided Attention, Tristan and Aza reach beyond the moment to talk about this powerful new AI, and the new paradigm of humanity and computation we?re about to enter.
This is a structural revolution that affects way more than text, art, or even Google search. There are huge benefits to humanity, and we?ll discuss some of those. But we also see that as companies race to develop the best synthetic relationships, we are setting ourselves up for a new generation of harms made exponentially worse by AI?s power to predict, mimic and persuade.
It?s obvious we need ways to steward these tools ethically. So Tristan and Aza also share their ideas for creating a framework for AIs that will help humans become MORE humane, not less.
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The Race to Cooperation
It?s easy to tell ourselves we?re living in the world we want ? one where Darwinian evolution drives competing technology platforms and capitalism pushes nations to maximize GDP regardless of externalities like carbon emissions. It can feel like evolution and competition are all there is.
If that?s a complete description of what?s driving the world and our collective destiny, that can feel pretty hopeless. But what if that?s not the whole story of evolution?
This is where evolutionary theorist, author, and professor David Sloan Wilson comes in. He has documented where an enlightened game, one of cooperation, rather than competition, is possible. His work shows that humans can and have chosen values like cooperation, altruism and group success ? versus individual competition and selfishness ? at key moments in our evolution, proving that evolution isn?t just genetic. It?s cultural, and it?s a choice.
In a world where our trajectory isn?t tracking in the direction we want, it's time to slow down and ask: is a different kind of conscious evolution possible?
On Your Undivided Attention, we?re going to update the Darwinian principles of evolution using a critical scientific lens that can help upgrade our ability to cooperate ? ranging from the small community-level, all the way to entire technology companies that can cooperate in ways that allow everyone to succeed.
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Ask Us Anything: You Asked, We Answered
Welcome to our first-ever Ask Us Anything episode. Recently we put out a call for questions? and, wow, did you come through! We got more than 100 responses from listeners to this podcast from all over the world. It was really fun going through them all, and really difficult to choose which ones to answer here. But we heard you, and we?ll carry your amazing suggestions and ideas forward with us in 2023.
When we created Your Undivided Attention, the goal was to explore the incredible power technology has over our lives, and how we can use it to catalyze a humane future. Three years and a global pandemic later, we?re more committed than ever to helping meet the moment with crucial conversations about humane technology - even as the tech landscape constantly evolves and world events bring more urgency to the need for technology that unites us, invests in democratic values, and enhances our well-being.
We?ve learned from our guests alongside all of you. Sixty-one episodes later, the podcast has over 16 million unique downloads! That?s a lot of people who care about the promise of humane technology and are working to construct a more humane version of technology in their lives, their family?s lives, and within their communities and society at large. We?re a movement!
Thank you to everyone who submitted questions and comments for us. We loved doing this, and we?re looking forward to doing it again!
Correction:
When discussing DeepMind?s recent paper, Aza said the premise was four people entering their views and opinions, with AI finding the commonality between all of those viewpoints. It was actually three people entering their views and opinions.
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CHT?s Recommended Reading List:
Foundations of Humane Technology
Our free, self-paced online course for professionals shaping tomorrow?s technology
The Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff
Foundational reading on the attention economy
Algorithms of Oppression by Safiya Umoja Noble
Seminal work on how algorithms in search engines replicate and reinforce bias online and offline
Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman
Written in 1985, Postman?s work shockingly predicts our current media environment and its effects
Attention Merchants by Tim Wu
A history of how advertisers capture our attention
Doughnut Economics by Kate Raworth
A compass for how to upgrade our economic models to be more regenerative and distributive
Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows
This excellent primer shows us how to develop systems thinking skills
What Money Can?t Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets by Michael Sandel
Sandel explores how we can prevent market values from reaching into spheres of life where they don?t belong
Essay: Disbelieving Atrocities by Arthur Koestler
Originally published January 9, 1944 in The New York Times
Humane Technology reading list
Comprehensive for those who want to geek out
ORGANIZATIONS TO EXPLORE
Integrity Institute
Integrity Institute advances the theory and practice of protecting the social internet, powered by their community of integrity professionals
All Tech Is Human job board
All Tech Is Human curates roles focused on reducing the harms of technology, diversifying the tech pipeline, and ensuring that technology is aligned with the public interest
Denizen brings together leaders across disciplines to accelerate systemic change
New_Public is place for thinkers, builders, designers and technologists to meet and share inspiration
Psychology of Technology Institute
PTI is non-profit network of behavioral scientists, technology designers, and decision-makers that protects and improves psychological health for society by advancing our understanding and effective use of transformative technologies
RxC is a social movement for next-generation political economies
The School for Social Design
The School for Social Design offers three courses on articulating what?s meaningful for different people and how to design for it at smaller and larger scales
TechCongress is a technology policy fellowship on Capitol Hill
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Can Psychedelic Therapy Reset Our Social Media Brains?
When you look at the world, it can feel like we're in a precarious moment. If you?ve listened to past episodes, you know we call this the meta-crisis ? an era of overlapping and interconnected crises like climate change, polarization, and the rise of decentralized technologies like synthetic biology. It can feel like we?re on a path to destroy ourselves.
That's why we?re talking to Rick Doblin, the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, or MAPS. They?re a nonprofit focused on educating and researching the benefits of using psychedelic therapy to address PTSD and promote humane ways of relating worldwide.
Doblin?s vision is for nothing less than a transformation of society through psychedelic-assisted therapy ? not for the drugs themselves, but for their ability to help us react to one another with compassion, appreciate differences, and accept criticism.
Given the perma-crisis we face, it?s provocative to think about a tool that, when prescribed and used safely, could help us overcome rivalrous dynamics out in the world and on social media. If we rescue our hijacked brains, we can heal from the constant trauma inflation we get online, and shrink the perception gap that splits us into tribes.
Both MAPS and Center for Humane Technology want to understand what helps minds heal and be free. We invite you to keep an open mind about a different kind of humane technology as you listen to this episode.
Correction:
Doblin attributes a quote to Stan Grof about psychedelics helping your ego be ?transparent to the transcendent.? In his book Pathways to Bliss, Joseph Campbell wrote, "When a deity serves as a model for you, your life becomes transparent to the transcendent as long as you realize the inspiring power of that deity. This means living not in the name of worldly success and achievement, but rather in the name of the transcendent, letting the energy manifest through you.? Grof was likely paraphrasing Campbell?s work and applying it to psychedelics.
Additional credits:
The episode contains an original musical composition by Jeff Sudakin. Used with permission.
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The non-profit founded by Rick Doblin in 1986 focused on developing medical, legal, and cultural contexts for people to benefit from the careful uses of psychedelics and marijuana. MAPS has some open clinical trials; see details on their website.
In this fascinating dive into the science of psychedelics, Doblin explains how drugs like LSD, psilocybin and MDMA affect your brain - and shows how, when paired with psychotherapy, they could change the way we treat PTSD, depression, substance abuse and more.
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Pollan writes of his own consciousness-expanding experiments with psychedelic drugs, and makes the case for why shaking up the brain's old habits could be therapeutic for people facing addiction, depression, or death.
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This popular science book provides a historical, scientific and personal account of breathing, with special focus on the differences between mouth breathing and nasal breathing.
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Real Social Media Solutions, Now ? with Frances Haugen
When it comes to social media risk, there is reason to hope for consensus. Center for Humane Technology co-founder Tristan Harris recently helped launch a new initiative called the Council for Responsible Social Media (CRSM) in Washington, D.C. It?s a coalition between religious leaders, public health experts, national security leaders, and former political representatives from both sides - people who just care about making our democracy work.
During this event, Tristan sat down with Facebook whistleblower Frances Haugen, a friend of Center for Humane Technology, to discuss the harm caused to our mental health and global democracy when platforms lack accountability and transparency. The CRSM is bipartisan, and its kickoff serves to boost the solutions Frances and Tristan identify going into 2023.
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A project of Issue One, CRSM is a cross-partisan group of leaders addressing the negative mental, civic, and public health impacts of social media in America.
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Peiter ?Mudge? Zatko, a former Twitter security executive, testified on privacy and security issues relating to the social media company before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Beyond the Screen is a coalition of technologists, designers, and thinkers fighting against online harms, led by the Facebook whistle-blower Frances Haugen.
Our campaign to pressure Facebook to make one immediate change ? join us!
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Spotlight ? Humane Technology on '60 Minutes'
The weekly American news show 60 Minutes invited Center for Humane Technology co-founder Tristan Harris back recently to discuss political polarization and the anger and incivility that gets elevated on social media as a matter of corporate profit. We're releasing a special episode of Your Undivided Attention this week to dig further into some of the important nuances of the complexity of this problem.
CHT?s work was actually introduced to the world by Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes back in 2017, and we?re honored to have been invited back. In this new interview, we cover the business model of competing for engagement at all costs - the real root of the problem that we?re thrilled to be able to discuss on a far-reaching platform.
We also busted the myth that if you?re not on social media, you don?t need to be concerned. Even if you're not on social media, you likely live in a country that will vote based on other people?s collective choices and behaviors. We know that the media we engage with shapes the people who consume it.
CORRECTION:
Tristan notes that Facebook's Head of Global Policy, Monika Bickert, says in the interview that social media can't be the root of America's anger because it's people over the age of 60 who are most polarized. She actually said that people over the age of 65 are most polarized.
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Spotlight ? Elon, Twitter and the Gladiator Arena
Since it?s looking more and more like Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, will probably soon have ownership of Twitter, we wanted to do a special episode about what this could mean for Twitter users and our global digital democracy as a whole.
Twitter is a very complicated place. It is routinely blocked by governments who fear its power to organize citizen protests around the world. It?s also where outrage, fear and violence get amplified by design, warping users? views of each other and our common, connected humanity.
We?re at a fork in the road, and we know enough about humane design principles to do this better. So we thought we would do a little thought experiment: What if we applied everything we know about humane technology to Twitter, starting tomorrow? What would happen?
This is the second part in a two-part conversation about Twitter that we?ve had on Your Undivided Attention about Elon Musk?s bid for Twitter and what it could mean in the context of the need to go in a more humane direction.
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