Gary and Stephen talk about creativity, recovery, getting fired, and holding grudges. They also get outside and play basketball, which is a big part of how Gary stays well.

Everyone has a public story. Stephen Dubner wants the rest.

On Better in Person, Dubner invites remarkable people into his home for a kind of conversation that?s hard to find: curious, free-wheeling, even profound. They talk, play, eat and drink, argue and laugh. The result? Less interview, more shared discovery.

This is how a conversation works.

Is the oxymoron really ?the secret sauce to everything?? That?s the case Ingels makes in this debut episode of our new video show Better in Person, filmed in Stephen Dubner?s living room.

Hillary Sterling was a Brooklyn kid raised on cream cheese sandwiches and canned potatoes. So how did she become one of New York City's best chefs? The Ci Siamo executive chef explains on the second episode of Better in Person.