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Today's show:
Your doctor almost certainly isn't testing your insulin. Dr. Mark Hyman sits down with Jason to explain the broken system that Function is fixing, and what 100 million biomarkers say about how sick America actually is.
Learn why insulin beats blood sugar as an early warning for TKTKTK. Why might "normal" lab ranges be unreliable? PLUS, how does an expert like Dr. Hyman feel about GLP-1s and psychedelics?
Guests:
Dr. Mark Hyman on X: https://x.com/drmarkhyman
Function: https://www.functionhealth.com/
Relevant Links:
The Dr. Hyman Show — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dr-hyman-show/id1382804627
Function pricing — https://www.functionhealth.com/pricing
Ezra — the full-body MRI company Function acquired https://ezra.com/
Galleri (GRAIL) — the multi-cancer early detection blood test — https://www.galleri.com/
Tufts / JACC study — the source of the "93% of Americans have metabolic dysfunction" — https://now.tufts.edu/2022/07/05/only-7-american-adults-have-good-cardiometabolic-health
American College of Cardiology — https://www.acc.org/
Dr. Jorge Plutzky — https://www.health.harvard.edu/authors/jorge-plutzky-md
OpenEvidence — https://www.openevidence.com/
Stanford Metabolic Psychiatry Clinic — https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/11/metabolic-psychiatry.html
Stanford Medicine on the ibogaine findings → https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/01/ibogaine-ptsd.html
Texas SB 2308 — the $50M state investment in ibogaine trials — https://www.texastribune.org/2026/03/31/texas-ibogaine-research-clinical-trials-psychedelics/
Timestamps:
0:00 What Function actually is
6:43 Healthspan vs. sick care
10:16 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Your first app is free! Get started today at https://Odoo.com/twist
11:32 A $300 vitamin D test vs. a $10 one
18:08 Should a 25-year-old get a whole-body MRI?
20:42 Northwest Registered Agent - Got a new business idea? Northwest Registered Agent helps you bring it to life. Get a free domain, email, phone number, and more - with no purchase required! Learn more at https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/twistdomain
24:23 Why medicine is still running on paper
25:41 The study where the chatbot beat the doctors
27:02 micro1, doctors in the loop, and why AI still needs guardrails
28:50 Wearables, records, and the CD-ROM problem
30:07 Rippling - Thanks to our partners at Rippling! Head to https://Rippling.ai/twist and get the only AI built to give you full visibility across your startup and take complex actions across your entire business.
32:51 The wearable that caught Jason's Covid
34:31 Alcohol, sugar, and why almost nobody tests your insulin
40:00 GLP-1s: Jason's 213-to-168 story
42:22 Microdosing GLP-1s, muscle loss, and "skinny fat"
48:48 Overdiagnosing mental illness: SSRIs, Adderall, and a lost decade
50:17 The biology underneath depression and anxiety
54:32 Psychedelics: ketamine, ibogaine, and the second revolution in psychiatry
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Spinouts are everywhere right now, and most founders get the cap table wrong. Jason sits down with Becki DeGraw, partner at Wilson Sonsini, to break down how to do it right, starting with his 80/20 rule for splitting the new cap table and why letting the old company keep too much of it kills your ability to raise.
Becki also covers the legal side: who owns the IP, non-competes between the two companies, and the trap founders fall into when they're still on the old board. PLUS, the one question every Series A investor will ask.
Guests:
Becki DeGraw on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-degraw-639bbb62/
Wilson Sonsini: https://www.wsgr.com/en/
Relevant Links:
Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati (WSGR) — **https://www.wsgr.com/**
Becki DeGraw — https://www.wsgr.com/en/people/becki-degraw.html
Waymo — Jason's headline example of a big-company spinout — https://waymo.com/
Expedia's 1999 Microsoft spinout — https://www.britannica.com/topic/Expedia-com-American-company
Nvidia's ~$20B deal for Groq's asset— https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/24/nvidia-buying-ai-chip-startup-groq-for-about-20-billion-biggest-deal.html
Timestamps:
0:00 What a spinout actually is
0:50 Becki: the real "why" behind spinouts
2:24 IP licenses and the "acquihire" workaround
3:09 University spinouts
4:41 Google/Waymo and Microsoft/Expedia: spinouts at scale
5:03 Jason's 80/20 rule and the unicorn test
6:06 The broken cap table problem
6:36 Licensing deals as an M&A workaround
8:44 Exclusive licenses, full assignments, and license-backs
11:07 "What if Google spun out YouTube"
12:31 Groq–Nvidia, capital gains vs. income
13:23 Confidentiality, customer lists, and fiduciary duty traps
15:16 Get the paper done BEFORE you start the new thing
15:56 "It's a divorce," — and the employees are the kids
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Today's show:
Are we one step closer to data centers in space? Katelin Holloway of Seven Seven Six and Paige Doherty of Behind Genius Ventures break it down what it would take.
Plus investor interest is surging in Physical AI companies. Paige explains why she backs applications of physical AI over general-purpose robotics, and how her thesis on multimodal AI led to the largest check she's ever written.
We then dive into the Pentagon's rollout of ChatGPT Mil and Grok for Government. And Katelin gives us her insight into how VCs are investing in Europe and the regulations behind the scenes.
Guests:
Katelin Holloway on X: https://x.com/katelin_cruse
Seven Seven Six: https://sevensevensix.com/
Paige Doherty on X: https://x.com/paigefinnn
Behind Genius Ventures: https://www.behindgeniusventures.com/
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Related Links:
Department of War adds ChatGPT Mil and Grok for Government: https://fortune.com/2026/09/01/pentagon-chatgpt-grok-government-military-ai-members-pete-hegseth-defense-department/
OpenAI for Government: https://openai.com/global-affairs/introducing-openai-for-government/
Starshield — SpaceX's government/defense arm: https://www.spacex.com/starshield/
UN work on LAWS (Lethal Autonomous Weapons Systems): https://disarmament.unoda.org/the-convention-on-certain-conventional-weapons/background-on-laws-in-the-ccw/
European Commission designates ChatGPT a VLOSE: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-designates-chatgpt-reddit-roblox-under-digital-services-act
Commission press release: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_1772
Euronews on why a chatbot that searches the live web counts as a search engine: https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/08/31/eu-places-chatgpt-reddit-and-roblox-under-strictest-digital-safety-rules
Entrepreneur First: https://www.joinef.com/posts/introducing-the-bridge/
Henrick Johansson, the European VC persona: https://x.com/compliantvc
Starcloud — orbital data centers: https://www.starcloud.com/
Starcloud raises $250M at a $2.3B: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260821884035/en/Starcloud-Raises-$250-Million-at-$2.3-Billion-Valuation-to-Scale-AI-with-Orbital-Data-Centers
"From Sputnik to Starship: Estimating the experience curve of space launch technology" https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/5/7/pgag217/8732400
Cambridge Bennett Schoo: https://www.bennettschool.cam.ac.uk/blog/is-space-trade-the-next-global-transport-revolution/
Crunchbase News: physical AI startups raised $47.4B across 521 deals in H1 2026: https://news.crunchbase.com/venture/physical-ai-funding-startups-robotics-aerospace-h1-2026/
Crunchbase News on record defense-tech funding: https://news.crunchbase.com/defense-tech/startup-venture-funding-all-time-record-ai-anduril/
Jensen Huang's prediction: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/executive-insights/
Zipline: https://www.flyzipline.com/
Nox Metals: https://www.noxmetals.com/
CNBC: Anthropic changes its data retention policy: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/01/anthropic-data-retention.html
Bloomberg on the plan to let enterprises hold the 30-day window: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-20/anthropic-plans-to-change-data-retention-policy-for-advanced-ai
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Timestamps:
0:00 Why making it to Fund IV is when it gets real
9:24 Pentagon rolls out ChatGPT Mil and Grok for Government
10:49 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
11:53 Paige on defense tech and three years at Northrop Grumman
13:40 Katelin: The bottleneck used to be winning the contract, now it's surviving one
16:13 Autonomous weapons, robot dogs, and the Boston Dynamics conversation in Paris
19:07 Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly. Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app
22:03 EU designates ChatGPT a "very large online search engine" under the DSA
24:54 Katelin's contrarian take: Europe is undercapitalized
29:56 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Your first app is free! Get started today at https://Odoo.com/twist
31:07 Starcloud raises $250M at a $2.3B valuation
53:06 Competing with Elon: the single point of failure for the whole space economy
57:49 Physical AI raised ~$47B in the first half of 2026
1:03:42 Jason's Zipline regret and the death of "hardware is hard"
1:07:07 Is "unc" a compliment? A Gen X / millennial / Gen Z / Gen Alpha
1:09:39 Anthropic reverses its data retention policy after enterprise pushback
1:12:18 Katelin on data custody: "That's not a procurement question"
1:15:31 Back to on-prem: Go.AI, the Go1, and vertical LLMs
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Today's show:
Hugging Face's $399 Microduck and the art of companies taking on side quests. Then, we get into Dwarkesh Patel's "The Rise and Fall of Agent Civilizations," which blew up online this weekend. Jason calls the "secret AI civilization" framing deliberate PR, and thinks it's inflammatory enough that someone might attack a data center over it.
Then, Anders Forslund of Heart Aerospace shows off the X1, a battery-powered electric airliner designed for regional flights that can fly for 30 minutes on just $5 of juice. PLUS, we've got John Yu of Bitsec explaining how his subnet project outperformed Fable 5 in website vulnerability checks.
Guests:
Anders Forslund on X: https://x.com/AndersForslund1?s=2
Heart Aerospace: https://www.heartaerospace.com/
John Yu on X: https://x.com/yubrew
Bitsec: https://sentios.io/ & https://sentios.io/
Relevant Links:
MicroDuck: https://pollen-robotics.com/microduck/
Dwarkesh Patel, "The Rise and Fall of Agent Civilizations," https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/openai-huggingface
Dwarkesh's launch thread on X: https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/2093833419377815719
METR's independent investigation of the OpenAI/Hugging Face incident: https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-incident-investigation/
X1 first flight announcement — https://www.heartaerospace.com/newsroom/heart-aerospace-completes-first-flight-of-world-s-largest-electric-aircraft
JSX (JetSuiteX) — https://www.jsx.com/
Pilatus PC-12 —https://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/en/fly/pc-12
Surf Air — https://www.surfair.com/
Zcash → https://z.cash/
Timestamps:
0:00 Is Hugging Face's Microduck the greatest side quest ever?
5:31 Jason puts Clem Delangue and Jensen Huang in charge of AI PR
11:20 Northwest Registered Agent - Got a new business idea? Northwest Registered Agent helps you bring it to life. Get a free domain, email, phone number, and more - with no purchase required! Learn more at https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/twistdomain
18:55 Top story: Dwarkesh Patel's "The Rise and Fall of Agent Civilizations"
19:22 Why agents act like people: they were trained on us
19:30 CLA - Innovation takes balance. CLA's CPAs, consultants, and wealth advisors can help you get from startup to where you want to end up. Get started now at https://www.claconnect.com/withyou
21:49 "I know good PR when I see it"
23:11 The prompt Jason says OpenAI should have written instead
26:44 The data center backlash and the politicians who will flip
30:07 Rippling - Don't settle for AI that's all talk. Head to https://Rippling.ai/twist to get the only AI built to give you full visibility across your startup and take complex actions across your entire business.
33:19 Guest: Anders Forslund, Heart Aerospace, and the X1's first flight
39:40 Turboprops vs. jets and the regional routes America lost
42:33 JSX, Santa Monica Airport, and 5,000 underused airports
44:54 Why Boeing won't build this: the innovator's dilemma
53:14 Guest: John Yu, Bitsec — Bittensor Subnet 60
55:01 How the subnet works: miners, validators, $10K a day
57:17 Bitsec vs. a frontier model: 160+ vulnerabilities to 60
59:37 Was the agent civilization story a pre-IPO PR play?
1:05:10 Sentios.io and continuous coverage
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Today's show:
*Nvidia agreed to buy Hugging Face for $12.9 billion, just days after quietly licensing Poolside's coding model for $6 billion+. On TWiST, Jason lays out why this is actually the biggest AI story of the year. Nvidia plans to offer enterprises unmetered, unlimited on-prem compute, pulling them away from reliance on Anthropic and OpenAI's frontier models and products.
PLUS we're chatting with Halter founder & CEO Craig Piggott about how his company helps farmers optimize their land use via solar-powered AI-driven cattle collars. AND Hop Aero CEO and co-founder Matija Milenovic shows us Rook, his autonomous hypersonic cargo rocket that can launch from a shipping container and deliver cargo up to 450 miles away in about 15 minutes. Finally, Jason and Lon explain why you never post Slop on the timeline.
Guests:
Craig Piggott on X: https://x.com/craig_piggott
Halter: https://www.halterhq.com/
Matija Milenovic on X: https://x.com/mat_milenovic
Hop Aero: https://hopaero.com/
Relevant Links:
OpenAI Open Letter: https://openai.com/collective-cyberdefense/
OpenAI Hugging Face report: https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-ahead/
OpenAI Jalapeño report: https://openai.com/index/jalapeno-first-results/
Dario Amodei-Gavin Baker tweet thread: https://x.com/DarioAmodei/status/2088758816376807762
TechCrunch: Nvidia-Hugging Face deal: https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/26/nvidia-closes-in-on-hugging-face-acquisition/
TechCrunch coverage of Halter: https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/04/unpacking-peter-thiels-big-bet-on-solar-powered-cow-collars/
Dealroom: Sir Peter Back on Rocket Lab: https://app.dealroom.co/news/note/sir-peter-beck-on-rocket-lab-s-no-money-so-we-have-to-think-playbook-from-a-60k-new-zealand-start-up-to-an-end-to-end-space-company
WSJ: Druckenmiller op-ed: "Let the Bond Market Speak": https://www.wsj.com/opinion/let-the-bond-market-speak-81529d74
NOTUS: Druckenmiller's WSJ op-ed was written with AI: https://www.notus.org/media/stanley-druckenmillers-wsj-op-ed-bessent-ai
WaPo: Wall Street Journal defends Druckenmiller op-ed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/08/25/wall-street-journal-says-ai-generated-op-ed-didnt-breach-its-standards/
Photon Matrix Laser Mosquito Killer: https://photonmatrixlab.com/
"The Wizard of the Kremlin" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ctYp3zQVA
"King & Conqueror" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anS9xQEPTsU
"Lanterns" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UIBOsuUwc4
"Rebel Ridge" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF3gZicntIw
Alpaka Bravo Sling Max 2 bag: https://alpakagear.com/products/bravo-sling-max-v2
No Agenda podcast: https://www.noagendashow.net/
THR: John C. Dvorak obit: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/john-dvorak-dead-tech-journalist-no-agenda-inside-track-1236657317/
Timestamps:
0:00 The 100+ company open letter on cyberdefense
9:48 DigitalOcean - Want to see what building on a true AI-native platform looks like? Head to https://do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI-Native Cloud today — and cut your AI workload costs by up to 50%.
16:46 Why some models are "unsafe at any latency"
19:44 Craig Piggott of Halter joins the show
21:03 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
26:09 How do you add cows to Starlink?
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47:52 Founder-led hyper-local sales motion
53:15 Remember John C. Dvorak
58:27 Matija Milenovic of Hop Aero joins
59:53 Sending out autonomous swarms in the Indo-Pacific
1:11:26 Nvidia's mega-Hugging Face deal
1:16:32 Nvidia's "unmetered" play against Anthropic and OpenAI
1:29:47 How letting AI write for you is like lip syncing
1:33:44 Laser-guided mosquito defense system
1:36:32 Lon's streaming picks
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Today's show:
*Bill Gates dropped a 6,000 word warning: AI will be "the greatest equalizer ever invented, or the worst sort of injustice." The Microsoft icon has an AI agenda for the US: new national institutions, AI use taxes, and jobs legally reserved for humans only.
Our VC roundtable guests — Sheel Mohnot (Better Tomorrow Ventures), Dave McClure (Practical Venture Capital), and Hussein Kanji — push back hard. Is taxing profits a better fix for AI taking jobs than taxing the tokens themselves?
PLUS: Meta's $17B kids safety settlement… does it go far enough? Why does Stripe want OpenRouter? A peek at the VC's actual portfolio mark-ups. AND begun, the AI agent wars have. Our panel chooses between OpenClaw, Instinct, and Grok Bot.
Guests
Sheel Mohnot on X: https://x.com/pitdesi
Better Tomorrow Ventures: https://www.btv.vc/
Dave McClure on X: https://x.com/davemcclure
Practical Venture Capital: https://practicalvc.com/
Hussein Kanji on X: https://x.com/hkanji
Hoxton Ventures: https://hoxtonventures.com/
Relevant Links
GatesNotes: "The turbulent AI era is here": https://www.gatesnotes.com/a-turbulent-ai-era-and-critical-choices-to-make
NPR: Meta settlement coverage: https://www.npr.org/2026/08/26/nx-s1-5944781/meta-settlement-child-safety-lawsuit
TechCrunch: Stripe agrees to buy OpenRouter: https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/16/stripe-will-reportedly-acquire-ai-gateway-startup-openrouter-for-7b/
Skild AI S1 Demo: https://www.skild.ai/blogs/s1
Instinct AI agent (waitlist): https://instinct.co/
TechCrunch: Instinct coverage: https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/24/instincts-powerful-ai-assistant-is-raising-privacy-and-security-concerns/
CNBC: OpenAI CFO says IPO is coming in 2027: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html
Basis: https://www.getbasis.ai/
TaxGPT: https://www.taxgpt.com/
Cusp AI: https://cusp.ai/
Abacus: https://goabacus.co/
Micro1: https://www.micro1.ai/
Mottu: https://mottu.com.br/
EquityBee: https://equitybee.com/
Kiva: https://www.kiva.org/
Timestamps:
0:00 It's Hussein's first time on the VC Roundtable!
2:09 Gates says "turbulent era" for AI is here
8:56 Microloans, Kiva, and "universal basic income"
9:23 Thanks to our partner, Lightfield, the AI-native CRM that updates itself, so you never have to! Try it for free at https://lightfield.app
13:00 Why sole proprietorships may be AI's biggest beneficiary
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21:00 Should the gov't take a stake in AI labs?
30:24 Thanks to our partners at Rippling! Head to https://Rippling.ai/twist to get the only AI built to give you full visibility across your startup and take complex actions across your entire business.
32:44 Meta's $17.1B settlement
45:14 Is anything still fundable outside of AI?
46:29 Stripe and SpaceX deals
55:54 Skild AI's pancake flipping demo
59:49 Sheel's Hottest Takes
1:04:37 Dave's Charts
1:09:07 Who loses money when there are no IPOs?
1:16:49 The Agent Wars heat up
1:24:56 Everyone's favorite investments
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Can a founder actually fire a board member? Short answer: almost never. And the reason why may surprise a lot of founders.
On this edition of Legal Basics, Wilson Sonsini partner Becki DeGraw joins Jason for a deep dive into who really controls your board, when investors start earning seats, and the differences between a board member and a board observer. Check out an episode that might just save your cab table someday.
PLUS they walk through the full lifecycle of your startup's board, exploring what it actually controls, when founders should start adding their own board members, the ownership threshold that means investors will start asking for seats, and how boards evolve from seed rounds to Series B>
Timestamps:
0:06 Welcome back to Legal Basics
1:47 When should a seed stage founder add their first board member?
7:47 From founder-controlled to "balanced"
10:31 Private vs. public company board pay
12:18 Do board members get expenses covered?
14:34 Why observers need a confidentiality provision
15:36 The "sign in the next 24 hours" pressure tactic
17:46 How to remove a director
24:01 When to use "Pled" vs. "Pleaded"
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how old a movie has to be for me to be able to show a part of it on youtube
Generally 10 seconds or less of a film clip can fall under fair use for commentary or criticism — which is how most podcasts and talk shows use clips without issue. But there's no hard legal rule based on age.
What actually matters more than age is fair use, which considers:
Purpose — commentary, criticism, education = stronger fair use case
Amount used — shorter = safer; a 5-10 second clip for reaction/discussion is generally fine
Effect on market — your clip shouldn't replace the original
In practice for YouTube specifically:
Most major studios have Content ID systems that will flag clips regardless of movie age — even 100-year-old films if the rights holder has registered them
Public domain is the real safe zone — films from 1927 or earlier are generally in the public domain in the US. Some films from the 1928-1963 range are also public domain if copyright wasn't renewed
Disney, Warner Bros., Universal etc. actively enforce even very old films
For a show like TWiST showing a short reaction clip — 5-10 seconds with clear commentary context is the industry standard and rarely gets actioned. But age alone won't protect you.
Today's show:
*A humanoid robot ran the 100m in 9.39, breaking the human Usain Bolt's world record, while an entire stadium cheered. Jason thinks Beijing's World Humanoid Robot Games aren't a science fair, or a fun exhibition, but the best AI PR campaign on Earth. While Americans debate the data centers that train the robot brains, China is already turning them into a spectacle and world-class entertainment.
Find out what Jason thinks America can do to catch up… and why he believes there will be 1 billion Optimus robots deployed by the year 2036.
PLUS on an all-news TWiST, hot takes on the potential $13B Hugging Face sale (to a mystery buyer), why founders should always "buy the threat," analyzing Sam Altman's "I'm listening and I hear you" face, and are kill drones already in operation around the world? We're digging in to how close the real world is to mirroring the "Terminator" films.
Relevant Links
CBS coverage of World Humanoid Robot Games: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-robot-usain-bolt-sprint-run-record-faster/
Bloomberg coverage of World Humanoid Robot Games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsrUAdcPPE
X-Humanoid: https://www.x-humanoid.com/
Tesla Optimus on X: https://x.com/Tesla_Optimus
Trailer for Spielberg's "A.I. Artificial Intelligence": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_19pRsZRiz4
Bloomberg: Hugging Face exploring sale: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-23/hugging-face-gauging-interest-for-potential-sale-business-insider-says
Fortune: Stripe acquires OpenRouter: https://fortune.com/2026/08/16/stripe-7-billion-deal-ai-firm-openrouter-acquisition/
InfoWorld: OpenAI acqui-hires OPenClaw founder: https://www.infoworld.com/article/4132731/openai-hires-openclaw-founder-as-ai-agent-race-intensifies-2.html
David Senra podcast w/ Sam Altman: https://www.davidsenra.com/episode/sam-altman
Harvey Tenet Research Preview: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet
David Sacks comments on Harvey's Tenet (from X): https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2090790063047168473
CNBC: Iran linked to UK cyberattack: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/23/small-uk-power-plant-shut-down-after-iran-linked-cyberattack-report.html
NYT: A drone killed 3 Ukrainians: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/24/world/europe/russia-drones-autonomous-ai-kill-ukraine-war.html
Forbes: Eric Schmidt secretly testing AI drones: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahemerson/2024/06/06/eric-schmidt-is-secretly-testing-ai-military-drones-in-a-wealthy-silicon-valley-suburb/
Restream: https://restream.io/
Kimbal Musk's Nova Sky Stories: https://novaskystories.com/
IKEA: Plug-in Solar Panels: https://www.ikea.com/be/en/energy-services/plug-in-solar/
Deadline: "Mandalorian and Grogu" box office: https://deadline.com/2026/08/star-wars-mandalorian-grogu-disney-release-date-1237040464/
THR: Dave Filoni leading Lucasfilm: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-wars-mandalorian-grogu-box-office-franchise-low-1236604973/
Star Wars: Starfighter first look: https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-starfighter-ryan-gosling
Star Wars Theory: "Vader" fan series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey68aMOV9gc
Timestamps:
0:00 Jason got a fresh Optimus demo
1:35 Robots are breaking human sports records
3:39 America's messaging problem vs. China's elite PR machine
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12:08 Jason got a fresh Optimus demo
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28:09 Who's going to buy Hugging Face and why?
28:56 Conservation Fund - Find out more about how the Conservation Fund is protecting land, wildlife, and our shared access to the great outdoors while also providing economic opportunities. Visit https://conservationfund.org
31:35 How OpenAI killed OpenClaw
39:08 Sam Altman wants to make a platform, not a product
41:19 The "Castles and Keeps" metaphor for sovereign AI
49:27 UBI isn't happening but we could raise the minimum wage
58:47 Embracing redundancy and self-reliance
1:10:53 Is Star Wars at a historic low point (and Lon's Worst Take)
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Today's show:
Jason's been saying it for years now (and we've got an All In clip from 2023 to prove it). Open source will win the AI race. This week gives us a major evidence point, as $11B legal AI company Harvey released its own in-house model, trained on an open-weight Kimi K3 base. Harvey made a proprietary specialized solution without having to risk sharing its precious expert-compiled data with the major frontier labs.
PLUS we're checking out the FREE AI dictation app Willow with co-founder Allan Guo, and finding out how he plans to compete with giants like Wispr Flow and Apple. AND we've got the Stanford student who built an automated golf cart and gave luminaries like Jensen Huang and Sam Altman rides around campus.
Guests
Allan Guo on X: https://x.com/_allanguo
Willow: https://willowvoice.com/
Ethan Goodhart: https://x.com/EthanGoodhart
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Relevant Links
CNBC: OpenAI "will be a public company in 2027": https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html
OpenAI Zero Data Retention Pledge: https://openai.com/index/our-commitment-to-zero-data-retention
TWIST (June 2026): Jason comments on OpenAI and training data: https://youtu.be/o3eow1nTrcI?si=orungk7OmplOuyio&t=742
All In podcast (Feb 2023): Jason comments on open source vs. frontier models: https://youtu.be/PVgBWV2bvLs?si=j6y7sHS0wx9q09oa&t=5173
Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/
Harvey Tenet Research Preview: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet
Fireworks AI: https://fireworks.ai/
Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/
Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/
Nvidia Jetson Thor: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/jetson-thor/
OpenAI shares Wind golf cart clip: https://www.tiktok.com/@openai/video/7645336713472134431
Starlink Mini: https://starlink.com/mini-product-us?srsltid=AfmBOorzM7arxhdzYAdDpH6RGD4LLg9WV_BFnEoLuYieuHuGSCjQTE1Y
Toro mowers: https://www.toro.com/
404 Media: https://www.404media.co/
Punchbowl News: https://punchbowl.news/
Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/
Skift: https://skift.com/
Newcomer: https://www.newcomer.co/
Deirdre Bosa on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@deebosa
Electrek: Genesis GV90 review: https://electrek.co/2026/08/20/genesis-gv90-luxury-coach-doors-images/
Toyota Alphard gallery: https://global.toyota/en/mobility/toyota-brand/gallery/alphard.html
The Clash "London Calling" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c
Timestamps:
0:00 What is Jason's Grok Bot up to?
5:17 Systems over goals
9:43 Superhuman - Superhuman Go is an AI chat that's always there when you need it, already aware of what you're doing, and doesn't ask you to start from zero. Sign up to get the best in AI at https://Superhuman.com
13:08 OpenAI will go public soon
14:19 Top line ARR matters way less than churn
20:43 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
29:55 Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly. Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app
30:52 Harvey launches Tenet
34:32 "Open source is going to win it all"
35:58 Allan Guo of Willow joins
39:18 Managing a single source of truth across a team
47:00 Lon and Jason love the Toyota Alphard
51:00 Stanford student and AV expert Ethan Goodhart joins
1:00:09 How Ethan got Jensen Huang to go for a ride
1:00:37 Punk Rock 101
1:06:24 Phoebe Gates' secret Harvard class
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Today's show:
*Making a video game once required a studio, an engine, and a team of five or more people working for six months. But with Astrocade, users just describe the game they'd like to play and share, and an AI assembles it from minutes, ready to publish to a TikTok-style feed.
Still, founder and CEO Amir Sadeghian tell us AI can't actually build a great game all on its own. The magic isn't just in the automation, but the user's creativity and good taste.
Amir demos how the app turns simple sentences and descriptions into full video games, explains why frontier models still regress to the mean rather than pushing boundaries, and unpacks how the game's human-in-the-loop workflow can turn even generic ideas into something original and fun.
Guest:
Amir Sadeghian on X: https://x.com/_amirabs
Astrocade: https://www.astrocade.com/
Relevant Links
Flappy Bird: https://flappybird.io/
Plants vs. Zombies: https://www.ea.com/ea-studios/popcap/plants-vs-zombies
MrBeast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MrBeast
Google's Nano Banana Pro: https://nanabananapro.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome to AI Basics, presented by Google Cloud
0:44 Amir Sadeghian, CEO of Astrocade joins
1:08 What is Astrocade and how does it work?
2:58 From describing to publishing: the TikTok for games
3:37 Amir's origin story: four continents, one vision
5:11 Why making games used to require years of training
6:46 The watermelon juice theory of product friction
7:35 Taste as the new programming language
14:18 Personalizing games with your own images
15:23 From consumer to prosumer: can you make a living?
16:22 Astrocade's creator fund and new creator economy
17:07 Open roles at Astrocade
18:10 Why play is the most universal human language
19:43 Google Cloud, Gemini, and wrapping up
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Today's show:
Frontier AI models can ace PhD-level exams, but it's still bad at tracking down the product you want in the style that suits you. Onton's Zach Hudson tell us that the problem is that models are a black box.
His solution? A neurosymbolic model, Ontology 1, that learns about your taste and preferred aesthetic over time, then produces product searches tailored specifically to you, rather than just using keywords and relevant tags. How do neurosymbolic models work, and how does Onton understand your prompts and favorite design trends? And why aren't the frontier labs working on neurosymbolic models of their own? Zach joins Jason and Lon to discuss.
PLUS, following a record-smashing SpaceX IPO, Ashi Dissanayake of Spacium makes the case that the real bottleneck in space isn't launching rockets off the ground any more. It's refueling in orbit.
Guests
Zach Hudson on X: ****https://x.com/nosduhz
Onton: https://onton.com/
Spacium: https://spaceium.com/
Spacium on X: https://x.com/SpaceiumInc
Relevant Links
Poolside's journey to AGI: https://poolside.ai/vision/purpose
Startup Archive: Sam Altman on the Paul Graham advice that saved OpenAI: https://www.startuparchive.org/p/sam-altman-on-the-paul-graham-advice-that-saved-open-ai-always-make-an-api
Kelly Wearstler: https://www.kellywearstler.com/
Ennis House: https://franklloydwright.org/site/ennis-house/
Los Feliz Living: Ennis House profile: https://www.losfelizliving.com/los-feliz-historic-homes/ennis-house-los-feliz-hcm-149
Indiewire: Ennis-inspired "The Studio" offices: https://www.indiewire.com/features/craft/the-studio-production-design-interview-seth-rogen-1235114365/
Monocle Magazine: https://monocle.com/
Spaceium on Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/spaceium-inc
Orbit Fab's RAFTI: https://www.orbitfab.com/rafti/
James Webb Space Telescope: https://science.nasa.gov/mission/webb/
Houzz: https://www.houzz.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Zach Hudson joins: What is "neurosymbolic search"
4:03 Ontology 1 isn't a black box
6:31 Who is using Onton?
9:36 Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
11:35 Could neurosymbolic models reach AGI?
13:19 Jason loves Wright's Ennis House
17:03 The shape of AI companies is changing
19:28 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
22:32 UGC as a data moat
26:03 The Dead Internet Theory
28:13 Ashi Dissanayake of Spacium joins
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31:50 Storables vs. cryogenics: the zero-boil-off breakthrough
34:11 All kinds of propulsion requires refueling
36:09 Getting more value from LEO to GEO
38:28 Moving at rocket speed
44:54 Why demand is so acute
49:37 The investing climate for space, post-SpaceX
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We've been going deep on Bittensor and how it works all year on TWiST, meeting with the creators of some of our favorite subnets, and exploring how the system decentralizes inference, compute, and storage. Now, on this very special episode, Jason and Lon welcome Bittensor co-founder Jason Steeves (aka "Const") to the show.
He gives us a quick tour of the project's first principles, before diving into how subnets incentivize miners to contribute, how dTAO turned the creation of subnets into its own competition, how Const says he employs "the internal machinery of capitalism" to rank subnects, and his latest project, Subnet 120 (aka Affine).
Find out what the OpenTensor Foundation actually does, go inside the Templar controversy, and learn why Const is trying to make himself increasingly irrelevant.
Guest
Jacob Steeves on X: https://x.com/const_reborn
Bittensor: https://www.bittensor.com/
Affine: https://affine.io/
Relevant Links
Original Bittensor whitepaper: https://bittensor.com/whitepaper
Bittensor governance and documentation: https://www.bittensor.com/docs
Beginner's Guide to Dynamic TAO: https://www.tao.media/the-complete-beginners-guide-to-dynamic-tao-dtao/
Prime Intellect: TOPLOC: https://www.primeintellect.ai/blog/toploc
Engy (SN53): https://engy.ai/
Lium (SN51): https://www.lium.io
Targon (SN4): https://targon.com/
Templar (SN3): https://www.tplr.ai/
Hippius (SN75): https://hippius.com/
MakerDAO: https://makerdao.com/
Stillcore Capital: https://stillcorecapital.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 The origin of Bittensor (and the name Const)
10:48 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
13:55 From Bitcoin mining to mining intelligence
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30:17 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
32:37 What is a subnet?
33:35 Forcing honest inference from bad actors
37:14 Building a subnet is harder than it looks
40:42 Understanding dTAO
51:57 Where the registration TAO actually goes
1:02:57 All about the Conviction "rug pull"
1:15:19 How Const is making himself irrelevant
1:17:33 The "Buy One TAO" philosophy
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Today's show:
*Anthropic is likely headed for the largest IPO in history. A reported 2-3 trillion October debut would blow past SpaceX's recent record. Jason breaks down why the. numbers matter less than what they'll reveal about the entire AI economy.
Then, chats with a pair of founders: one who's selling subscription water filtration systems that will keep microplastics out of your brain (and other body parts), and another who's building the AI software that powers automated solar panel installation.
Guests
Sami Khoreibi: https://x.com/samikhoreibi
Wisewell: https://www.wisewell.com/
Puneet Puri: https://x.com/puneetp
Gritt Robotics: https://www.gritt.ai/
Relevant Links
Fortune: Anthropic reportedly plans $2T IPO in October: https://fortune.com/2026/08/13/anthropic-ipo-2-trillion-october-largest-ever-spacex/
Ramp AI Index: August update: https://ramp.com/data/ai-index-august-2026
Decart: https://decart.ai/
Bloomberg: Anthropic in talks to buy Decart: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-13/anthropic-said-in-talks-to-buy-ai-startup-decart-for-6-billion
Nat Geo: Profile of water sommelier Martin Riese: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/water-sommelier-martin-riese
Mailman School of Public Health: Nanoplastics study: https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/bottled-water-can-contain-hundreds-thousands-nanoplastics
Bryan Johnson microplastics post: https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1937194358027190637?lang=en
Topo Chico: https://www.coca-cola.com/us/en/brands/topo-chico
San Pellegrino: https://www.sanpellegrino.com/
Acqua Panna: https://www.acquapanna.com/intl/
Evian: https://www.evian.com/
Mountain Valley Spring Water: https://mountainvalleyspring.com
Fiji Water: https://www.fijiwater.com/
TechCrunch: Gritt exits stealth: https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/21/gritt-exits-stealth-with-34-million-for-robots-to-build-solar-plants-then-everything-else/
Our World in Data: Solar panel prices: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices
Our World in Data: Solar module prices vs. cumulative capacity: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices-vs-cumulative-capacity
NYT: Do your emojis make you look old? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/08/12/upshot/emoji-generations.html
DJI Mic 3: https://www.dji.com/mic-3
Ted Lasso S4 trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1KdTMhFs8
Lanterns trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UIBOsuUwc4
Furious trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBSqPDxmNZs
The Shards trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpm9HUOrZIc
Sporked: What are Tim Tams? https://sporked.com/article/what-are-tim-tams/
Timestamps:
0:00 New Segment: "Enough Already!"
3:36 Anthropic's record-breaking IPO plans
9:59 Why it's "Springtime for Trump and M&A"
10:39 PayPal - Built for payments, growth, and agentic. Paypal Open, built for all business. Visit https://paypalopen.com to get started
16:00 Sami Khoreibi of Wisewell joins
17:30 Hiring a water sommelier
20:23 CLA - Innovation takes balance. CLA's CPAs, consultants, and wealth advisors can help you get from startup to where you want to end up. Get started now at https://www.claconnect.com/withyou
29:00 The problems with tap and bottled water
30:34 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
49:58 Puneet Puri of Gritt Robotics joins
54:35 Solar's version of "Moore's Law"
1:05:08 Are you using the Boomer emojis?
1:09:02 Why Jason loves the DJI Mic 3
1:11:36 Jason & Lon's streaming recommendations
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*Cytronic built a robotics-first fulfillment network, packing and shipping orders for cents instead of dollars, from small, city-adjacent micro-warehouses. Alex chats with CEO and co-founder Kevin Gibbon about how he can build a fulfillment warehouse for $1.2 million, and why it costs Amazon 50M-100M.
PLUS Eyebot delivers low-cost doctor-reviewed eyeglass prescriptions following 90-second vision tests, conducted in everyday kiosks. We asked CEO and co-founder Matthias Hofmann how he's trying to simplify vision care and caught up with his Walmart and Sam's Club pilot programs.
Guests
Kevin Gibbon on X: https://x.com/kevingibbon
Cytronic: https://cytronic.ai/
Matthias Hofmann on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mchofmann/
Eyebot: https://www.eyebot.co/
Relevant Links
Axios: Cytronic seed round: ****https://www.axios.com/pro/supply-chain-deals/2026/07/15/robotic-fulfillment-cytronic-13m
Airhouse acquired by Syncware: https://www.airhouse.io/
Amazon News: 10 Years of Robotics: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/10-years-of-amazon-robotics-how-robots-help-sort-packages-move-product-and-improve-safety
Serve Robotics: https://www.serverobotics.com/
Zipline: https://www.flyzipline.com
TechCrunch: Manna plots major US expansion: https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/08/autonomous-drone-delivery-startup-manna-plots-major-u-s-expansion/
TechCrunch: Eyebot Series A round: https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/26/eyebot-gets-20m-series-a-to-boost-to-expand-eye-care-access/
CNET Eyebot coverage: https://www.cnet.com/health/medical/i-took-a-vision-test-in-90-seconds-with-a-robot-and-saw-the-future-of-vision-care/
Walmart & Sam's Club announcement: https://www.eyebot.co/resources/walmart-and-sams-club-pilot-fast-affordable-eyeglass-prescriptions-using-eyebots-technology/
Formlabs: https://formlabs.com/
Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses: https://www.meta.com/ai-glasses/
Google Android XR AI announcement: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/platforms/android/android-xr-gemini-glasses-headsets/
World Health Organization: Blindness and vision impairment fact sheet: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/blindness-and-visual-impairment
Timestamps:
0:00 Kevin Gibbons of Cytronic joins the show
5:29 How small is a micro fulfillment center?
9:59 Squarespace - Turn your idea into a beautiful website! Go to https://www.squarespace.com/twist for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.
11:33 Understanding the unit economics
20:24 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
22:29 Why fulfillment costs rise as you scale
29:46 Automatons Roll Out
30:12 Matthias Hofmann of Eyebot joins the show
30:31 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
31:29 Vision tests vs. eye exams
42:28 The terrifying doctor shortage
47:22 Fundraising and partnerships
57:07 Will we always need human doctors in the loop?
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*Meta chief Mark Zuckerberg published a 6,500 word essay about the future of AI, and Jason thinks it's his smartest PR move in years.
The thinkpiece, "The Future is for Everyone: The Path to a Positive AI Future," arrives alongside a new open-weight Meta model — Muse Glimmer — and the promise of an open-weight version of Muse Spark 1.2 to come. Zuckerberg's clearly pitching an "abundance" narrative, promising the American public untold benefits from AI technology — everything from a PhD-level tutor for every student to scientific breakthroughs, personal assistants, and beyond — all for the low low cost of not banning new data centers. Do our hosts think everyday voters will take this deal?
PLUS X retires its revenue sharing program, the CLARITY Act misses a key pre-recess vote, what can we do to stop widespread AI-powered community college cheating, and some of the podcasting positions for which LAUNCH is hiring.
Relevant Links
Meta: "The Future is for Everyone": https://about.fb.com/news/2026/08/the-future-is-for-everyone/
Meta: "Introducing Muse Glimmer": https://research.meta.ai/blog/introducing-muse-glimmer-open-agentic-model
MS Now: "Kevin O'Leary wants to atone for his data center sins": https://www.ms.now/news/kevin-oleary-wants-to-atone-for-his-data-center-sins
"The Social Reckoning" teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4LkaXwGuY
X: Original Content Rewards Program: https://help.x.com/en/using-x/original-content-rewards
TechCrunch: Nikita Bier steps down as X's head of product: https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/05/nikita-bier-steps-down-as-xs-head-of-product/
Congress.gov: H.R. 3633 - Digital Asset Market Clarity Act: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/3633/text
Politico: "Crypto faces a setback in the Senate": https://www.politico.com/news/2026/08/07/delays-imperil-senate-crypto-bill-01029817
NYT: "AI Agents are Taking Entire Online Courses for Cheating Students": https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/10/us/ai-cheating-online-degrees.html
Inside Higher Ed: "Brown Professor Suspects Majority of His Class Used AI to Cheat": https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/learning-assessment/2026/07/08/brown-professor-suspects-most-his-class-used-ai-cheat
Podnews: Spotify's Skip Ahead ad skip test: https://podnews.net/article/spotify-threat-ad-skipping
Tommy Vietor X post on Spotify: https://x.com/TVietor08/status/2085073214968037428?s=20
JJ Smith SF "open drug market" video: https://x.com/war24182236/status/2086839186137710724
Timestamps:
0:00 Why Zuck thinks the future is open source
2:26 Meta's roadmap: personal assistants and beyond
9:21 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
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27:43 How to win the data center argument
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39:24 X intros Original Content Rewards
51:58 The CLARITY Act faces new setbacks
1:00:46 AI agents are taking students' tests for them
1:09:37 LAUNCH is hiring!
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A hedge fund just blew up shorting SaaS stocks. In turns out, the software companies that went all in on AI are bouncing back. Figma's CEO — still riding high on strong revenue — forfeited roughly $46 million in stock awards to ease investor nerves. Twilio posted its strongest quarter in years. Airbnb's CEO credits AI as the single biggest factor in the company's incredible turnaround.
Jason and Lon break down what's separating the winners this earnings season from the companies that are falling behind.
PLUS we're chatting with Bluecore Energy CEO and founder Kofi Asante about his plan to power ports, and one day AI data centers, with small, floating nuclear reactors.
AND we're kicking off the TWiST Weight Loss Challenge! Co-host Lon and Jason's brother, Jamie, are both starting GLP-1s. We'll track their progress and follow along as they attempt to collect $15,000 EACH in prize money.
Guest
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Bluecore Energy: https://www.bluecore.energy/
Jamie Calacanis on X: https://x.com/CalacanisJamie
Relevant Links
Bloomberg: Figma CEO forfeits $46M: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-05/figma-ceo-forfeits-46-million-in-stock-after-share-decline
Twilio announces second quarter 2026 results: https://investors.twilio.com/news-releases/news-release-details/twilio-announces-second-quarter-2026-results
TechCrunch: Twilio co-founder Jeff Lawson buys The Onion: https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/26/area-man-twilio-co-founder-jeff-lawson-buys-the-onion
Chesky: Airbnb will spend a lot more on AI: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/07/chesky-airbnb-ai-earnings.html
"Unreasonable Hospitality" by Will Guidara on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Unreasonable-Hospitality-Remarkable-Giving-People/dp/0593418573
The Times: Meet the unreasonable hospitality master who inspired "The Bear": https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/will-guidara-hospitality-the-bear-tkgzqz33w
Port of Long Beach partnership on nuclear-powered shipping: https://gcaptain.com/port-of-long-beach-marad-launch-first-u-s-partnership-on-nuclear-powered-shipping/
Reuters: ByteDance targets mega AI model: https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-targets-mega-ai-model-nearing-anthropics-mythos-ft-reports-2026-08-07/
Axios: OpenAI says its AI agents breached its own systems before Hugging Face: https://www.axios.com/2026/08/06/openai-hugging-face-black-hat
Frank Lloyd Wright's Ennis House: https://franklloydwright.org/site/ennis-house/
Dwell: Why "The Studio" built a faux Frank Lloyd Wright HQ: https://www.dwell.com/article/the-studio-apple-tv-filming-locations-production-design-frank-lloyd-wright-john-lautner-97c68081
"Predators" documentary trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVZkvpAJjI
A24 "Primetime" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fHXyqQOKL8
Alex Honnold free solos Taipei 101: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/sport/alex-honnold-taipei-101-free-solo-netflix-intl-hnk
Harmonic.ai: https://harmonic.ai/
Timestamps:
0:00 Figma, Twilio & Airbnb earnings: who's winning at AI?
9:50 DigitalOcean - Head to https://do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI-Native Cloud today — and cut your AI workload costs by up to 50%.
11:32 The real cost of stock-based compensation
17:38 Kofi Asante of Blue Core Energy joins the show
19:47 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
20:51 What is a small modular reactor (SMR)?
26:00 Floating nuclear reactors for ports and data centers
29:47 Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly. Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app
31:56 Nuclear waste, submarine risks, and public perception
42:41 The generational shift in how we think about nuclear
48:19 ByteDance is training a 10 trillion parameter model
53:47 When AI models plan heists: the Hugging Face caper
58:02 Jason's Roko weight loss competition
1:11:38 Off duty: To Catch a Predator, Alex Honnold, and comedy
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*Airtable just sold for $2.25 billion, an 81% drop from its peak of $11.7 billion. On this week's TWiST VC Roundtable, Aditya Agarwal (South Park Commons), Niko Bonatsos (Verdict Capital), and Rick Heitzmann (FirstMark Capital) break down why the venture world sees this as a good outcome, not a financial disaster.
By declining the deal, would Airtable's team have just been delaying the inevitable? Is the fact that they reached $400M+ ARR on its own a reason to celebrate? Find out why our investor panel prefers unwinding a stuck situation rather than chasing a growth rate that's no longer sustainable.
PLUS Robinhood's booming prediction market business, the secondary market flap over Anduril shares, why so many VCs shy away from "vice" categories, and a glimpse at how insiders are talking about the Apple-OpenAI lawsuit.
Guests
Aditya Agarwal on X: https://x.com/adityaag
South Park Commons: https://www.southparkcommons.com/apply
Niko Bonatsos on X: https://x.com/bonatsos
Verdict Capital: https://verdictcap.com/
Rick Heitzmann on X: https://x.com/rick
FirstMark Capital: https://firstmark.com/
Relevant Links
Airtable: https://www.airtable.com/
Bending Spoons announces Airtable acquisition: https://investors.bendingspoons.com/newsroom/bending-spoons-agrees-to-acquire-airtable
Constellation Software: The Anti-Conglomerate: https://www.eaglepointcap.com/blog/constellation-software-the-anti-conglomerate
Introducing Robinhood Ventures Fund II: https://robinhood.com/us/en/newsroom/introducing-rvii/
Quartz: Robinhood posted record quarterly revenue: https://qz.com/robinhood-record-revenue-prediction-markets-earnings-073026
Riot Games: https://www.riotgames.com/en
AngelList's USVC Fund: https://usvc.com/
Baseten: https://www.baseten.co/
OpenEvidence: https://www.openevidence.com/
Hermes Agent: https://hermes-agent.org/
Granola: https://www.granola.ai/
Timestamps:
0:00 VC intros & Bending Spoons buys Airtable
9:19 Why growth is the only metric that matters
9:45 Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
20:52 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
26:25 When should VCs sell in secondary markets?
30:55 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
35:38 Robinhood's prediction markets are exploding
43:13 The USVC-Anduril secondary controversy
46:18 How VC firms use open source models
58:43 Telling the real founders from the grifters
1:02:38 Why Apple is suing OpenAI
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*Before Bespoke's "travel concierge" chatbot could actually hold a conversation, founder/CEO Akemi Tsunagawa and her team quietly answered customers themselves. That "fake it till you make it" strategy paid off. Bespoke landed Narita Airport as a customer based on the strength of their "chatbot" answers, and now the team runs three companies, and is expanding into shipyard robots.
In the fourth and final edition of TWiST Tokyo for Summer '26, Jason and Akemi discuss her thesis: "solve the labor gap first, [then] build the tech to math." Plus insights into Japan's tourism boom, how founders should consider the country's accelerating population decline, the economics and politics of importing foreign labor, and why AI may already be taking over more jobs than you think.
Guest
Akemi Tsunagawa on X: https://x.com/AkemiTsunagawa
Bespoke: https://www.be-spoke.io/
Bebot: https://www.bebot.io
BeTrained: https://www.be-spoke.io/en/be-trained
Relevant Links
Disrupting Japan: "Silicon Valley Has Chatbots All Wrong": https://www.disruptingjapan.com/silicon-valley-has-chatbots-all-wrong-heres-how-they-really-make-money/
CNN on Japan's population decline: https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/asia/japan-biggest-population-decline-record-intl-hnk
Paul Graham: "Do Things That Don't Scale": https://www.paulgraham.com/ds.html
Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/
TripAdvisor: https://www.tripadvisor.com/
KPMG on Japan's Business Manage Visa Reforms: https://kpmg.com/xx/en/our-insights/gms-flash-alert/flash-alert-2025-195.html
Business Traveller on the "Akiya" renovation trend: https://www.businesstraveller.com/insights/features/japan-akiya-boom-buying-abandoned-homes/
THR on the 2004 satirical film "A Day Without a Mexican": https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/a-day-without-a-mexican-20-years-later-1236293209/
Founder University x Japan: https://tokyo.founder.university/
JETRO: https://www.jetro.go.jp/en/
Antler in Japan: https://www.antler.co/location/japan
Timestamps:
0:00 Founder U Japan Cohort 3: Coming in Jan 2027!
1:06 Introducing Akemi Tsunagawa, founder of Bespoke
3:08 Why investors passed in 2015
4:49 Selling Narita Airport on Bebot
6:29 The roots of Japan's tourism explosion
9:27 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
14:17 Japan's population decline, by the numbers
20:06 Quo (formerly OpenPhone) - Quo gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at https://quo.com/TWiST
21:38 Training foreign workers via smart glasses
27:50 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
33:06 Moving into shipyard robotics, too?
37:44 Some customer development lessons
48:21 Plans for even more expansion
52:52 Q&A: How AI changed hiring
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AI models can solve PhD-level math equations and code an app in minutes… So why does everything they design look like identical slop? Thais Castello Branco, founder of Taste Labs, raised $18.5M in seed funding to teach frontier models about aesthetics and outputting quality content. She talks to Jason and Lon about why even frontier models regress to the mean on subjective tasks, how paid "TasteMakers" can improve output quality, and whether AI accelerates or destroys the half-life of "what's cool."
PLUS Leopold Aschenbrenner's AI hedge fund liquidated its public stock portfolio, but it may be too soon to count this 25-year-old completely out. Google Earth adds AI generation and turns into a misinformation factory. LinkedIn and Substack join the AI slop crackdown. And why does every venture capitalist seem to have an opinion about the Ceuta border crisis?
Guest
Thais Castello Branco on X: https://x.com/thaiscbranco_
Taste Labs: https://tastelabs.com/
Amplify Partners: "Kill the Slop": https://www.amplifypartners.com/blog-posts/kill-the-slop-announcing-our-investment-in-taste
Relevant Links
Leopold Aschenbrenner's essay "Situational Awareness": https://situational-awareness.ai/
CNBC on SA fund collapse: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/31/leopold-aschenbrenner-situational-awareness-fund-fire-sale.html
Henk van Ess thread on Google Earth + Nano Banana: https://x.com/henkvaness/status/2082912544394498228
Substack CEO Chris Best: "Against Claudefishing": https://post.substack.com/p/against-claudefishing
NPR on the Ceuta crisis: https://www.npr.org/2026/07/31/g-s1-136507/morocco-spain-migration
Ethan Goodhart's self-driving golf cart post: https://x.com/EthanGoodhart/status/2082136189998682598?s=20
"Wind" app on TestFlight: https://testflight.apple.com/join/zZqmhhwf
TechCrunch: "Gritt exits stealth": https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/21/gritt-exits-stealth-with-34-million-for-robots-to-build-solar-plants-then-everything-else/
CA Gov: Project Nexus solar-covered canal announcement: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/04/29/governor-newsom-announces-the-completion-of-first-of-its-kind-solar-covered-canal-in-the-central-valley-piloting-a-new-way-to-save-water-and-reduce-costs/
Molly Wood's "Everybody in the Pool" podcast: https://www.everybodyinthepool.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Coming up on today's show…
1:23 Thais Castello Branco on teaching models to have good taste
10:45 YSecurity - The on-demand security team for startups. Need enterprise-grade security without hiring a $400k CISO? YSecurity gives you 40+ expert engineers, matched to exactly what you need, by the hour, with your first six hours completely free. Go to https://YSecurity.io/TWIST
15:19 The "TasteMaker" community of paid human curators
20:37 MongoDB - AI-assisted and agentic coding is helping you build faster than ever. Start building at https://MongoDB.com/ai
24:40 Jason's personal "cool hunter" prompt
30:16 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
37:36 Situation Awareness lacked situational awareness
46:59 Claude models hacked three external organizations
50:54 Google Earth adds Nano Banana for some reason
54:24 The AI Slop crackdown spreads
57:54 Too many opinions about the Ceuta migrant crisis
1:04:05 Self-driving golf carts and also cars
1:09:53 Robot arms are installing solar panels
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The FCC's decision to ban Chinese humanoid robots over security concerns is a boon to American startups, which now face a narrower competitive market. But where should we draw the line on security over competition? Menlo Ventures' Deedy Das, Weisburd Pierce's David Weisburd, Plexo Capital's Lo Toney, and LAUNCH's Jason Calcanis broke down how they differentiate between legitimate security concerns and purported regulatory capture. Today's venture capital roundtable also dug into OpenRouter's possible sale to Stripe, changing tokenomics, the Indian market for startups, and even DoorDash's drone-delivery business taking flight.
Guest Links:
Deedy Das https://x.com/deedydas
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Lo Toney https://x.com/lo_toney
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David Weisburd https://x.com/DWeisburd
Weisburd Pierce https://www.weisburdpierce.com/
Jason Calcanis https://x.com/Jason
LAUNCH https://launch.co/
Show Links:
The FCC's decision regarding Chinese robots https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adds-foreign-produced-power-inverters-and-robots-covered-list-0
Pacing the Frontier letter https://www.pacingthefrontier.com/
Cursor Start https://cursor.com/blog/cursor-start-india
Stripe may buy OpenRouter https://www.axios.com/2026/07/24/stripe-openrouter-merger-ai-currency
OpenRouter financials https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openrouter-financials-suggest-steep-price-possible-acquirer-stripe?rc=g3wfdp
Kimi K3 license https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3/blob/main/LICENSE
Pangram https://www.pangram.com/
Tau Robotics https://www.tau-robotics.com/
Zipline https://www.zipline.com/
Manna https://www.manna.aero/
Kindred Ventures https://kindredventures.com/
Autolane https://goautolane.com/
Salmon Labs https://salmonrun.ai/
Timestamps:
0:00 The FCC bans Chinese humanoid robots
2:18 Waymo, Uber, Robotaxi, and the global BYD threat
10:30 MongoDB - AI-assisted and agentic coding is helping you build faster than ever. Start building at https://MongoDB.com/ai
15:45 The "Pacing The Frontier" letter (1,100+ AI staffers warn on RSI)
19:51 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Get started for free at https://Odoo.com/twist
21:07 Regulatory capture vs. genuine concern
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37:57 Have we reached AGI?
38:35 Stripe eyes OpenRouter at $10B
39:19 Does OpenRouter have a moat?
47:13 Kimi K3's license and neocloud margins
49:34 Claude Tag and the future of AI-mediated workplaces
53:26 Cursor Start, ChatGPT Go, and the India market
1:02:03 Have we solved AI detection?
1:11:20 Tau Robotics $30/hour robotic housecleaning
1:12:49 Job loss, and the social safety net
1:18:25 DoorDash Air takes on Zipline, Manna
1:21:00 Portfolio shout-outs
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*Most lab-grown meat companies have already gone under. It's expensive to produce, and there's little demand from real-world consumers. But Tokyo's IntegriCulture is still standing after selling their proprietary serum to cosmetics companies.
On Episode 3 of TWiST from Tokyo, Jason sits down with Dr. Yuki Hanyu, an Oxford-trained chemist who started a DIY meat movement out of a comic convention and turned it into Japan's first cell-cultured protein company.
PLUS why the cultivated meat market stalled out, why producing a "slurry of cells" is more efficient than jumping right to muscle tissue, the regulatory framework in Japan vs. the US, and… is it fair to call this "meat"? Or is it something else entirely?
Guest
Yuki Hanyu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuki-hanyu-b860bb34/
IntegriCulture: https://integriculture.com/en/
Relevant Links:
AG Funder News: "IntegriCulture turns a profit": https://agfundernews.com/cell-ag-picks-shovels-pioneer-integriculture-turns-a-profit-but-cautions-that-as-long-as-cell-ag-remains-so-capital-intensive-it-will-be-difficult-to-take-off
Vegconominst: Cultivated duck liver coverage: https://vegconomist.com/cultivated-cell-cultured-biotechnology/cultivated-meat/japans-integriculture-products-cultivated-duck-liver/
Cellament skin care ingredient: https://www.cellament.jp/cellament-en?lang=en
Medium: Shojinmeat Project: https://medium.com/shojin-meat
Cellular Agriculture Institute of the Commons (CAIC): https://cellagri.org/en/about-us
Japan Association for Cellular Agriculture (JACA): https://jaca.jp/en/
Upside Foods: https://upsidefoods.com/
Impossible Foods: https://impossiblefoods.com/
Fast Company: "Inside the stunning collapse of Believer Meats": https://www.fastcompany.com/91462102/believer-meats-stunning-collapse-600-million-cooling-cultured-meat-industry
AG Funder News: "FDA clears Wildtype's cell-cultivated salmon": https://agfundernews.com/fda-clears-wildtypes-cell-cultivated-salmon-for-us-debut
Food Navigator: Parima gets green light for cultivated duck: https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2026/04/15/parima-gets-regulatory-approval-for-cultivated-foie-gras/
Protein Production: "Japan publishes first draft safety guidelines for cultivated meat…": https://www.proteinproductiontechnology.com/post/japan-publishes-first-draft-safety-guidelines-for-cultivated-meat-as-regulatory-debate-advances
Stateline: "Texas bans lab-grown meat": https://stateline.org/2025/06/30/texas-becomes-seventh-state-to-ban-lab-grown-meat/
TODAY: "Japan's Coca-Cola Plus has an unexpected ingredient": https://www.today.com/food/japan-s-coca-cola-plus-has-unexpected-ingredient-t121047
Timestamps:
0:00 Why founders should visit Japan
1:48 Intro of cultivated meat pioneer, Dr. Yuki Hanyu
3:19 Why don't consumers want lab-grown meat?
10:05 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
10:26 DIY meat manuals at comic conventions
15:37 Flavors that don't exist in nature
19:35 The Wagyu Hot Dog
21:38 MongoDB - AI-assisted and agentic coding is helping you build faster than ever. Start building at https://MongoDB.com/ai
24:23 Why chicken nuggets are the hardest problem
28:28 Beachhead markets, waypoints, and surviving early
30:25 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
35:57 Q&A: Commercializing an open source project
37:56 Q&A: Growing protein in space
40:07 Should this be called "meat"?
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*For three decades now, we've been told that breakthroughs in quantum computing are right around the corner. So why hasn't anything materialized?
On TWiST in Tokyo, Jason sits down with Yaqumo CEO Kazuhiro Nakashoji and discusses what needed to change (like better algorithms and hardware), and why we may finally be nearing quantum's big moment.
Find out why quantum machines are so error-prone, explore the unusual international quantum supply chain, and get a heads-up about the cryptography reckoning coming for your Bitcoin.
Guest
Kazuhiro Nakashoji on X: https://x.com/KNakashoji
Yaqumo Inc.: https://yaqumo.com/en/
Relevant Links
JETRO (Japan External Trade Organization): https://www.jetro.go.jp/en/
Institute for Molecular Science: https://www.ims.ac.jp/en/
Quantum Insider: Yaqumo Quantum Photonics Agreement: https://thequantuminsider.com/2026/06/04/yaqumo-nkt-photonics-and-hamamatsu-photonics-sign-quantum-photonics-agreement/
Quantonation investment announcement: https://quantumcomputingreport.com/quantonation-selects-neutral-atom-hardware-developer-yaqumo-for-first-japanese-investment/
NIST: What is Post-Quantum Cryptography? https://www.nist.gov/cybersecurity-and-privacy/what-post-quantum-cryptography
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro / Founder University Tokyo
2:20 Guest intro: Kazu of Yakumo
3:20 What is a qubit?
8:34 Why quantum computers are so fragile
8:45 PayPal - Built for payments, growth, and agentic. Paypal Open, built for all business. Visit https://paypalopen.com to get started
13:36 Spinning IP out of the university lab
18:42 DigitalOcean - Head to https://do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI-Native Cloud today — and cut your AI workload costs by up to 50%.
28:01 Building the "Toyota of Quantum"
29:38 Rippling - Thanks to our partners at Rippling! Head to https://Rippling.ai/twist and get the only AI built to give you full visibility across your startup and take complex actions across your entire business.
31:25 AI for quantum, and quantum for AI
38:35 Harvest Now, Decrypt Later
41:41 Q&A: Yaqumo's business model
43:22 Q&A: Yaqumo's business model
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French ex-martial artist Bilal Kharouni is building his longevity startup from Okinawa, one of the world's "blue zones." (These are regions with the most people living long, healthy lives.) In this TWiST taping from Founder University in Tokyo, Jason investigates why a $200K raise in Japan can out-build a $2M raise in San Francisco, and why the best moat for biological AI isn't the model; it's the data no one else has.
Plus a tactical and practical discussion of product market fit, why Ekei killed a growing side business to maintain focus, Japan's fast-track for regenerative medicine, and hitting the upper limits for consumer longevity gadgets. Plus a live Q&A with Founder U attendees.
Guest
Bilal Kharouni on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bilal-kharouni/
Ekei Labs: https://www.ekeilabs.com/
Relevant Links
Okinawa Institute of Science and Tech (OIST): ****https://www.oist.jp/
Life Biosciences: https://www.lifebiosciences.com/
NewLimit: https://www.newlimit.com/
Centivax: https://www.centivax.com/
Medical Daily: "First Human Trial to Reverse Aging Gets FDA Clearance": https://www.medicaldaily.com/first-human-trial-reverse-aging-just-got-fda-clearance-what-epigenetic-reprogramming-actually-476076
Tim Friede snake venom article from Science: https://www.science.org/content/article/he-injected-himself-venom-decades-can-his-antibodies-help-snakebite-victims
Micro1: https://www.micro1.ai/
Whoop: https://www.whoop.com/
Station F Paris startup campus: https://stationf.co/
Japan Times: "PM Takaichi sleeps only 2-4 hours a night": https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/11/14/japan/politics/takaichi-sleep-overwork/
FDLI: "Japan's Regenerative Medicine Regulatory Pathways": https://www.fdli.org/2019/02/global-focus-japans-regenerative-medicine-regulatory-pathways-encouraging-innovation-and-patient-access/
FDA: "Right to Try": https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/right-try
STAT News: "Are Blue Zones Real?": https://www.statnews.com/2026/05/04/are-blue-zones-real-new-scrutiny-longevity-hot-spots/
Timestamps:
0:00 Founder University is back in Japan!
4:05 What Ekei Labs does
5:13 Why Japan is a longevity hub
8:52 The AI biological moat
10:05 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
15:58 Right to try and the ethics of experimental therapies
22:30 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
24:49 Japan's fast-track regenerative medicine law
26:03 Raising in Japan vs. the US
31:32 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
40:44 Why Ekei killed a profitable service to focus
47:11 Have Blue Zones been debunked?
48:56 How socialization may extend lifespan
51:07 Founder Q&A: Booked vs. forecast revenue
55:42 Amazon's "bar raiser" framework
1:03:31 Social robots and loneliness
1:04:29 Jason on health and hustle culture
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*Cybersecurity has long focused on cleaning up a system AFTER a breach but Ent founder Brandon Dixon says that's backwards. He just raised a $100M seed round to put an AI agent on everyone's company laptops that catches the risky clicks, leaked files, or rogue agents BEFORE they wreck havoc.
PLUS Clawra creator David Im return swith his new project, Sume's Avatar, a multi-model orchestration layer that generates 60-second UGC videos from a single prompt… and gets it right on the first try, rather than falling back on trial and error.
Guests:
Brandon Dixon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonsdixon/
Ent: ****https://ent.ai/
David Im on X: https://x.com/davidim
Sume: https://www.sume.com/
Relevant Links:
WSJ: "Cyber Security Startup Ent Raises $100 Million in Seed Funding": https://www.wsj.com/pro/cybersecurity/cyber-startup-ent-raises-100-million-in-seed-funding-a3e9b6c6
Microsoft Security Copilot: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/business/ai-machine-learning/microsoft-security-copilot
Engadget: "Meta 'pausing' employee tracking program…": https://www.engadget.com/2199458/meta-is-pausing-employee-tracking-program-after-it-let-the-whole-company-see-sensitive-data/
Seedance 2.0: https://seedance2.ai/
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro: Why AI + cybersecurity is the hot combo right now
2:29 How INT stops breaches before they happen
4:56 AI is giving non-technical employees dangerous new powers
10:26 Vanta - Compliance and security shouldn't be a deal-breaker for startups to win new business. Vanta makes it easy for companies to get a SOC 2 report fast. Get $1,000 off for a limited time at https://www.vanta.com/twist
13:54 Why on-device AI beats cloud-based security
20:08 Superhuman - Get AI that works where you work. Unlock your Superhuman potential at https://superhuman.com
25:18 INT's business model and go-to-market
30:26 YSecurity - The on-demand security team for startups. Need enterprise-grade security without hiring a $400k CISO? YSecurity gives you 40+ expert engineers, matched to exactly what you need, by the hour, with your first six hours completely free. Go to https://YSecurity.io/TWIST
34:18 David M. of Sumi Labs: one-shotting AI video
36:10 Live demo: Sumi's video orchestration API
40:05 Consistent faces, 60-second videos, and who's buying
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The dawn of surgery bots + buy a home for $250 (w/ Andromeda & Mogul) | E2313
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*Andromeda Surgical is building the autonomy layer that could one day allow robots to perform surgery. Rather than building their own intricate, complex hardware, Andromeda uses off-the-shelf arms from a German manufacturer, and focuses on the software that will allow doctors to operate it from an iPad.
Plus Mogul co-founder and CEO Alex Blackwood shows Jason how his platform lets anyone buy fractional shares of rental homes for as little as $250, earning monthly dividends, appreciation, and tax benefits without the headache of being someone's landlord.
It's a founder double feature on a brand new TWiST.
Guests:
Nick Damiano on X: https://x.com/nickdamian0
Andromeda Surgical: https://www.andromedasurgical.com/
Alex Blackwood on X: https://x.com/blackwoodtweets
Mogul: https://www.mogul.club/
Relevant Links:
KUKA: https://www.kuka.com/
Intuitive Surgical (and Da Vinci 5): https://www.intuitive.com/en-us
Neuralink: https://neuralink.com/
Padsplit: https://www.padsplit.com/
AngelList: https://www.angellist.com/
The Syndicate: https://thesyndicate.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 The iPad controlled surgery bot
5:46 Building "Google Maps for the body"
10:10 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
14:28 What is a "sous surgeon"
20:46 CLA - Innovation takes balance. CLA's CPAs, consultants, and wealth advisors can help you get from startup to where you want to end up. Get started now at https://www.claconnect.com/withyou
24:30 The Neuralink connection
29:40 Understanding Mogul's business model
31:01 MongoDB - AI-assisted and agentic coding is helping you build faster than ever. Start building at https://MongoDB.com/ai
33:32 So who manages the homes?
36:50 Dividends vs. Appreciation
44:57 How Mogul picks markets
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Hustle Fund's Eric Bahn and Chapter One's Jeff Morris Jr. join our venture capital roundtable directly following the news breaking that Stripe wants to buy PayPal. The possible transaction highlights how little interest today's leading startups have in going public any time soon. With host Alex Wilhelm, Bahn and Morris dug into when startups should burn the boats à la Fin, physical AI as the next frontier, the power of Silicon Valley groupthink, and how startups are approaching the first days of widespread, company-specific AI evals!
Guest links:
Eric Bahn https://x.com/ericbahn
Hustle Fund https://www.hustlefund.vc
Jeff Morris Jr. https://x.com/jmj
Chapter One https://chapterone.com
Show links:
Stripe wants to buy PayPal https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/stripe-advent-offer-buy-paypal-more-than-53-billion-sources-say-2026-07-15/
Webflow https://webflow.com/
Fin selling to Salesforce https://www.salesforce.com/news/press-releases/2026/06/15/salesforce-signs-definitive-agreement-to-acquire-fin/
Erebor https://erebor.bank/
"Competition is for losers" https://www.wsj.com/articles/peter-thiel-competition-is-for-losers-1410535536
Chapter One piece on the value of software https://jamesin.substack.com/p/some-areas-weve-been-investing-in
Timestamps:
0:00 Eric Bahn (Hustle Fund) & Jeff Morris Jr. (Chapter One) join the show!
1:35 Stripe's reported $53B offer for PayPal
6:29 Why founders don't want to go public
10:08 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
15:16 When is it time to burn the boats?
20:12 MongoDB - AI-assisted and agentic coding is helping you build faster than ever. Start building at https://MongoDB.com/ai
21:16 Does VC need an AI revolution?
30:50 Rippling - Thanks to our partners at Rippling! Head to https://Rippling.ai/twist and get the only AI built to give you full visibility across your startup and take complex actions across your entire business.
32:36 Custom evals, open source models, and avoiding vendor lock-in
36:37 Physical AI and robotics as the next frontier
37:42 Oak's $60M seed and startup clusters chasing agent infrastructure
40:43 Escaping the Silicon Valley "think tank"
48:28 Consumer AI's missing wave
1:00:18 AI regulation and how to get it right
1:12:01 Where to find our guests and wrap-up!
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*Jason spent $11 building out PodMeme, an AI tool that tracks down the best segments from top podcasts about a specific topic, then stitches them together into a single stream. His post laying out how he did it, featuring a simple screenshot of the product, got all the way to 1.1M views in just a few days.
It's a simple fact: builders love to see what other people are building, and growing your new project "in public," sharing your journey on social media, is a great way to develop buzz around your product before it even exists.
Today's guest Thibault "Tibo" Louis-Lucas walks us through how he grew products like Tweet Hunter and Taplio on his social media account, using social media buzz and a focus on tools for creators to very quickly expand to over $1M ARR.
PLUS why Apple would only sue OpenAI if they knew they had them dead to rights… why Uber and Waymo are fighting over DC robotaxis… Jason's response to the public backlash against surveillance startup Flock Safety… and the guys remember iconic New Zealand actor Sam Neill.
Guest:
Tibo Louis-Lucas on X: https://x.com/tibo_maker
Revid.ai: https://www.revid.ai/
Tweet Hunter: https://tweethunter.io/
Taplio: https://taplio.com/
Relevant Links:
Lemlist: https://www.lemlist.com/
GRIN influencer marketing: https://grin.co/
TechCrunch: "Apple Sues OpenAI": https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai-over-alleged-trade-secret-theft/
We Must Act Now statement: https://www.wemustactnow.ai/
TechCrunch: "Uber's Robotaxi Lobbying Effort": https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/13/ubers-robotaxi-lobbying-effort-has-put-it-on-a-collision-course-with-waymo/
DC Autonomous Vehicle Deployment Authorization Amendment of 2026: https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/2003462
DoorDash: Meet Dot: https://about.doordash.com/en-us/dot
Flock Safety: https://www.flocksafety.com/
DeFlock: https://deflock.org/
Gigazine: Flock accuses Deflock of being a "terrorist org": https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20260209-flock-ceo-deflock/#gsc.tab=0
Unifi AI Security Systems: https://ui.com/physical-security
Jason's PodMeme post: https://x.com/Jason/status/2076231055443440105
Jason responds to Justine Bateman: https://x.com/Jason/status/2076326740050206959
NYT Sam Neill obituary: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/13/movies/sam-neill-dead.html
"Possession" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLXW-oVbTxE
FanEdit: https://fanedit.org/forums/news-publisher/
"Manhunter" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLqHlg2fAnE
HBO "The Man Will Burn" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRhUYPtp6Ao
Timestamps:
0:00 There's no air conditioning in Paris
7:27 Tibo Maker's "ship 1 product a week" challenge
9:24 The power of building products in public
10:59 Quo (formerly OpenPhone) - Quo gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at https://quo.com/TWiST
12:04 Excitement for JCal's "PodMeme" set-up
15:40 Compounding an audience and enlisting influencers
19:13 Your follower count is not important any more
20:59 PayPal - Built for payments, growth, and agentic. Paypal Open, built for all business. Visit https://paypalopen.com to get started
22:28 How Tibo got banned on LinkedIn twice
28:48 Apple sues OpenAI
30:59 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
38:44 How OpenAI should have handled the New York Times
45:10 DC's new robotaxi bill
52:06 Managing the AV and delivery-bot transition
53:23 Economists warn of AI job displacement
1:07:00 How Jason would fix Flock's messaging
1:17:26 Remembering Sam Neill
1:23:05 Lon's Dream AI edit
1:26:35 HBO's Burning Man docuseries
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*America posted 400,000 farm jobs last year, and fewer than 1% got a single domestic applicant. Danny Bernstein of Reservoir believes it's time to start automating this backbreaking labor, like picking stone fruit in 110°F temperatures. So he built the world's first on-farm robotics incubator on 40 acres of California farmland. Here's why he argues that automating farms isn't just a new opportunity, it's a national security issue.
PLUS Jason responded to Gal Shir's viral "AI beat me at design" tweet, got into a kerfuffle with Figma CEO Dylan Field, and wound up making a brand new J-Trade. AND we're talking about the Dept. of Education's new "do no harm" policy, the Brown University AI cheating chart that's blowing up social media, and Lon has fresh streaming recommendations in an all-new Off Duty.
Guest:
Danny Bernstein on X: https://x.com/bernsteind
Reservoir Farms: https://reservoir.co/
Reservoir VC: https://reservoir.vc/
Relevant Links:
Bonsai Robotics: https://bonsairobotics.ai/
Root AI acquired by AppHarvest: https://www.therobotreport.com/root-ai-acquired-by-appharvest-for-60m/
John Deere: https://www.deere.com/en-us/
Western Growers Association: https://www.wga.com/
Tanimura & Antle: https://www.taproduce.com/
Naturipe Berry Growers: https://www.naturipefarms.com/
Driscoll's: https://www.driscolls.com/
Taylor Farms: https://www.taylorfarms.com/
The Wonderful Company: https://www.wonderful.com/
Capital Factory: https://www.capitalfactory.com/
Gal Shir "quitting design" post: https://x.com/galshirart/status/2074854464729629060
Dylan Field response to Gal Shir: https://x.com/zoink/status/2075290218660298807
JCal response to Field and "J-Trade": https://x.com/Jason/status/2075481565115654305
Figma: https://www.figma.com/
Dept. of Education: "Do No Harm" policy announcement: https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-issues-final-rule-hold-all-colleges-and-universities-accountable-low-earning-programs
NPR coverage on Dept. of Education earnings test: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/30/nx-s1-5835631/turner-camhi-do-no-harm-college-loans
Paul Graham "cheating chart" post: https://x.com/paulg/status/2075031014628311236
Off Duty Recommendations:
"Lioness" on Paramount+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRQ0PR4a8U
"Mayor of Kingstown" on Paramount+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQzvwxOp0s
"Human Vapor" on Netflix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xe6dRKVAb8
"Sugar" on Apple TV+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twvPGxuEOEA
"Wind River" (now on Netflix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZgN0dpFoaE
"Not Fade Away" by Peter Barton & Laurence Shames: https://www.amazon.com/Not-Fade-Away-Short-Lived/dp/1579546889
Timestamps:
0:00 Jason's ongoing World Tour
1:43 Danny Bernstein joins live from Reservoir Farms
3:38 What is "specialty crop agriculture"
5:15 Why strawberries are the "white whale" of AgTech
6:55 The labor crisis in farming
9:20 Why AgTech never scaled
9:51 NetSuite - For the first time, you can try NetSuite Next for free. If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, go to https://NetSuite.ai/TWIST
10:51 Inside Reservoir's business model
17:44 Agriculture as national security
20:09 Squarespace - Turn your idea into a beautiful website! Go to https://www.squarespace.com/twist for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.
22:15 Did AI beat a designer at design?
30:56 YSecurity - The on-demand security team for startups. Need enterprise-grade security without hiring a $400k CISO? YSecurity gives you 40+ expert engineers, matched to exactly what you need, by the hour, with your first six hours completely free. Go to https://YSecurity.io/TWIST
37:23 The "do no harm" college earnings test
43:27 Brown University students cheated on their midterms
52:22 Lon's streaming recommendations
59:46 Jason's new snake grabber
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How many startups matter in tech? Fewer than you think. That's why venture capitalists are tripping over themselves to get onto their cap tables, no matter the cost. Why? Footwork's Nikhil Basu Trivedi argues that the Valley has never been more "power-law-pilled" than it is today. Basu Trivedi joined Cendana Capital's Michael Kim and TWiST's Alex Wilhelm to go deep on secondary markets, the state of startup M&A, why the SaaSpocalypse may be temporary, and what could trigger a retrenchment of the AI trade. It's Wednesday, so it's time for our venture capital roundtable to go deep on how VCs are investing today, and where on the horizon they have their eyes fixed!
Guest links:
Nikhil Basu Trivedi https://x.com/nbt
Footwork https://www.footwork.vc/
Michael Kim https://x.com/MKRocks
Cendana Capital https://www.cendanacapital.com/
Show links:
The USVC-Anduril blowup https://x.com/ankurnagpal/status/2072701195714531398
Kline Hill Cendana Partners https://www.secondariesinvestor.com/kline-hill-and-cendana-raise-400m-for-second-vc-secondaries-fund/
GPTZero's exit https://gptzero.me/news/preserving-whats-human/
Salesforce buys Fin https://www.salesforce.com/news/press-releases/2026/06/15/salesforce-signs-definitive-agreement-to-acquire-fin/
Vercel buys Better Auth https://vercel.com/blog/vercel-acquires-better-auth
Figma buys Bud https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/07/figma-acquires-team-behind-a-vibe-coding-app/
Protoge https://withprotege.ai/
Windborne https://windbornesystems.com/
Etched https://www.etched.com/
Lovable's reported raise https://sifted.eu/articles/lovable-300m-13-2bn-valuation
Josh Browder https://x.com/Joshuabrowder
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction: Nikhil Basu Trivedi (Footwork) & Michael Kim (Cendana Capital)
1:59 The Anduril vs. USVC secondary market blowup
4:08 Why Silicon Valley is 'power-law-pilled'
8:23 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
9:37 Information asymmetry in the secondary markets
9:45 Every.io — For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
15:02 Is SPV fraud smoke or fire?
16:32 Superhuman acquires GPTZero
19:54 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
21:10 The M&A wave
27:19 The SaaSpocalypse debate
29:59 DigitalOcean - Head to https://do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI-Native Cloud today — and cut your AI workload costs by up to 50%.
30:44 Data's moment in the energy → compute → data loop
35:01 Where will AI value accrue?
40:04 What could cause an AI correction?
42:17 Why some companies are "too big to miss"
46:23 China's possible open-weight model ban
53:28 Young founders: Etched, Thiel Fellows, Z Fellows, Neo
55:33 Portfolio spotlight: WindBorne's weather balloons and data moat
58:47 Michael's favorite fund manager: Josh Browder
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*There are $100 trillion in global assets sitting on top of what Hanover Park co-founder/CEO Chris Hladczuk calls "human duct tape": armies of accountants in offices patching together work from various legacy tools (QuickBooks, Excel) that are holding funds' own data hostage. Can all of this be replaced with AI? Find out how their startup went from overseeing $1B to $20B in assets in just 15 months.
PLUS, we flash back to March 2020, when Jason and Figma co-founder/CEO Dylan Field broke down the design tool's initial go-to-market strategy, made some WILDLY inaccurate COVID predictions, and considered anxiety about "SaaS burnout" years before the category went full apocalyptic.
Guests:
Chris Hladczuk on X: https://x.com/chrishlad
Hanover Park: https://www.hanoverpark.com/
Dylan Field: https://x.com/zoink
Figma: https://www.figma.com/
Relevant Links:
Turner Novak on X: https://x.com/TurnerNovak
Banana Capital: https://www.bananacapital.vc/
Emergence Capital: https://www.emcap.com/
Lux Capital: https://www.luxcapital.com/
Susa Ventures: https://susaventures.com/
Bill.com: https://www.bill.com/
METR: https://metr.org/
Granola AI note taker: https://www.granola.ai/
Vanta: https://www.vanta.com/
Foo Camp on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/foocamp
TechCrunch Mahalo coverage: https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/27/inside-mobile-news-launch/
Timestamps:
0:00 Hanover Park & the fund admin problem
3:32 Why funds outsource instead of building
5:44 Why fund accounting is so complex
10:38 The "one-click migration" goal
10:48 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
13:51 Context vs. intelligence gaps
16:11 No PMs, No Designers
20:46 Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
23:18 This is a $100T opportunity
25:36 Flashback w/ Dylan Field of Figma
29:15 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
31:22 Pre-AI enterprise security worries
36:30 SaaS overload and SaaS burnout
37:30 The evolution of Figma pricing
42:38 The rise and fall of Mahalo dot com
51:38 The work-from-home revolution begins
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Forget the triple-triple-double-double-double; the new bar for startups hoping to raise venture capital has reached the stratosphere, though our venture panel is worried that startups are focusing too much on today's problems that may not become companies tomorrow. During a lively VC roundtable, Cowboy's Aileen Lee, Floodgate's Mike Maples, and Lerer Hippeau's Ben Lerer joined Alex to dig into exiting pre-AI startups, rising valuations, token spend, why they are keeping their funds small, and whether the government just tripped OpenAI and Anthropic!
Guest Links:
Aileen Lee https://x.com/aileenlee
Cowboy VC https://cowboy.vc
Mike Maples https://x.com/m2jr
Floodgate https://www.floodgate.com
Bene Lerer https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjlerer
Lere Hippeau https://www.lererhippeau.com
Timestamps:
0:00 Aileen Lee, Mike Maples, and Ben Lerer join the show
5:13 Venture liquidity returns: what SpaceX/Stripe distributions mean for LPs
9:13 Bending Spoons prices IPO at $29/share, roughly $18.4B valuation
10:31 Agree.com - Stop chasing invoices and automate your entire contract-to-cash stack. Go to https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
12:09 "Companies get bought, not sold" — Ben on taking first offers seriously
17:41 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
19:34 Mutiny's burn-the-boats AI pivot with Jaleh Rezaei
20:19 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
22:15 Mike's KeepSafe story: the "rule of 70" and profit-first companies
25:12 The new growth bar: 5x, 4x replaces triple-triple-double-double
28:55 Fund size is your strategy: why Floodgate and Lerer Hippeau stay small
30:11 CLA - Innovation takes balance. CLA's CPAs, consultants, and wealth advisors can help you get from startup to where you want to end up. Get started now at https://www.claconnect.com/withyou
37:39 The $100M Series A: Starcloud, General Intuition, Scale Cognition, Scout AI
40:35 King-making rounds and why mega-seeds destroy optionality
54:11 Open-weight models: the GLM-5.2 moment and going model-agnostic
55:30 Why fine-tuning open models is a treadmill, with Cursor/Kimi as an example
1:03:28 Grading the Trump administration on Mythos and Fable
1:06:33 Rising anti-AI sentiment, the wealth gap, and lessons from social media
1:11:43 Raising kids in the post-intelligence era
1:12:35 Where to find the panel and what each firm is investing in
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*It's another All Star Summer, as we welcome back some of our favorite guests from throughout "This Week in Startups" history.
Chamath Palihapitiya's development platform 8090 just raised $135 million, and he's using it to go after a $4 trillion market: the software maintenance, migration, and middleware spending that's currently "pure waste" for enterprises.
Find out why the All-In Podcast bestie says every company should use AI to build custom software the way that Google, Facebook, and Meta already do, then go inside Software Factory, the "system on a chip" organizational model, and why Chamath believes AI will allow every human on Earth to start their own company.
Guest:
Chamath on X: https://x.com/chamath
8090: https://www.8090.ai/
Learn With Me on Substack: https://chamath.substack.com/p/learn-with-me
Drink With Me: https://www.drinkwithme.com/age-verify.html
All-In Podcast: https://allin.com/
Social Capital: https://www.socialcapital.com/
Relevant Links:
8090 Series A announcement: https://x.com/chamath/status/2071571183665881515
Salesforce Ventures: https://salesforceventures.com/
Craft Ventures: https://www.craftventures.com/
The Production Board: https://www.tpb.co/
WNDR: https://www.wndr.vc/
LAUNCH: https://www.launch.co
Coatue Management: https://www.coatue.com/
Jack Dorsey: "From Hierarchy to Intelligence": https://block.xyz/inside/from-hierarchy-to-intelligence
Thomas Keller's The French Laundry: https://thomaskeller.com/tfl/
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0:00 It's TWiST All-Star Summer!
0:44 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
3:21 Chamath's origin story
7:54 Tom Sawyer entrepreneurship
11:29 Shopify - Turn those What If's into sales with the ecommerce platform powering millions of businesses. Sign up for your $1-per-month trial today at https://shopify.com/twist
16:25 The $5 trillion software market
21:06 LinkedIn Jobs - Hire right, the first time. Post your first job and get $100 off towards your job post at https://LinkedIn.com/twist
25:00 Building "a co-founder for every human"
31:51 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
35:00 How product development lost its way
45:00 Regulated industries are the beachhead
50:00 Raising the $135M Series A
55:00 8090's "System on a Chip" model
1:04:44 What to tell your kids about AI
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Today's show:
F1 teams spend up to a third of their budgets on aerodynamics, often utilizing wind tunnels to simulate what happens on the track.
But Lyall Davenport of SKN Systems created a sensor-embedded tape that sticks directly to race cars as they drive around the real world, generating 420M data points per hour. And it comes in at roughly 95% less cost than running a full simulator.
Hear about how Lyall's background in racing helped him develop the concept, plans to expand from motorsports to drones and defense, and his experiences going through Jason's various programs.
PLUS OpenAI's new models are so good, you can't use them. Why Apple's Vision Pro chief defected to OpenAI (and why their laptops and devices are getting more expensive). A look at the world's most annoying data center in Sterling, Virginia. And Jason remembers iconic and influential tech journalist Om Malik.
Guest:
Lyall Davenport: https://x.com/Lyalldavenport
SKN Systems: https://www.skn.systems/
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6:17 How SKN uses tape to generate aerodynamic data
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17:20 F1 teams are worth HOW MUCH?
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20:35 Future markets beyond motorsports
30:03 DigitalOcean - Want to see what building on a true AI-native platform looks like? Head to https://do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI-Native Cloud today — and cut your AI workload costs by up to 50%.
32:45 GPT-5.6 is banned for now
43:46 Vision Pro chief makes for the exit
51:24 Apple raises their prices
56:05 The data center you're allowed to hate
1:06:04 Zuck's new prediction market app
1:08:42 RIP Om Malik (1966-2026)
1:19:50 Streaming and camera recommendations
1:28:06 All about eFoiling
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Today's show:
Jason sits down with Brynn Putnam, CEO and founder of Board, to learn more about her company's tabletop gaming console. The pair talks about how to raise capital for yet-to-launch hardware projects, the screen-time debate, and how Board is approaching building or buying IP for its family-friendly games. Next, Alex got Heremus's AJ Piplica on the horn to chat hypersonic, autonomous jets. The startup's technology bridges the gap between rockets and airplanes, and may represent the future of warfare, yes, but also fast freight!
Guest Links:
Brynn Putnam https://x.com/BrynnPutnam
Board https://board.fun/
Board Series A announcement https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/02/board-the-new-game-startup-from-mirror-founder-brynn-putnam-raises-20m-has-already-sold-thousands/
Mirror https://www.lululemonstudio.com/
AJ Piplica https://x.com/AJ_Piplica
Heremus https://www.hermeus.com/
Heremus Series C announcement https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hermeus-reaches-1-billion-valuation-with-350-million-raise-to-build-todays-fastest-aircraft-for-the-american-warfighter-302735273.html
Timestamps:
0:00 Board's Brynn Putnam joins the show
2:54 Board's proprietary AI software stack
6:43 Why Board manufactures in Mexico (not China)
9:21 LinkedIn: Thanks to our partners at LinkedIn! Post your job for free at https://linkedIn.com/twist then promote it to get access to LinkedIn Jobs' new AI assistant.
9:42 How to raise a Seed round for hardware without a finished product
15:26 Brynn's daughter and the mermaid example
17:09 Can Board limit screen time fears?
18:47 Northwest Registered Agent: Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
22:54 Selling the first 10,000 units
28:38 Deel - Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more.
29:42 Why Board is steering away from simple ports toward native IP experiences
35:32 Hermeus's AJ Piplica joins the show
35:32 What is Dark Horse?
43:48 Commercial applications: Cargo, organs, flowers, and trans-Atlantic in 90 minutes
47:47 Commercial applications: Cargo, organs, flowers, and trans-Atlantic in 90 minutes
57:00 Dark Horse range and the "reusable first stage" analogy
58:42 Dark Horse range and the "reusable first stage" analogy
1:02:42 $350M Series C led by Khosla; total funding now exceeds $500M
1:03:39 The SpaceX model: get customers to fund your R&D
1:07:47 Closing: the American Dynamism pitch
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This Week In Startups is made possible by:Agree - https://agree.comQuo - https://quo.com/TWiSTSuperhuman - https://superhuman.comToday's show:In this double-header, Jason and Lon chat with Louis Phillips, founder of the gamified running app INTVL, which turns a quick job around the block into a worldwide turf war competition. Find out how he grew the app to over 1 million downloads without any paid ads, just making videos from his home office.PLUS Alex sits down with Alice Zhang, CEO of Verge Labs, which pivoted from making drugs to building the AI infrastructure that helps pharma companies develop their own treatments. Find out how they accumulated one of the world's largest proprietary brain datasets and why brain tissue is the "LiDAR of neuroscience."Guests:INTVL: https://www.intvl.com.au/INTVL on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/intvl.appLouis Phillips on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/louisphillips12Verge Labs: https://vergelabs.com/Alice Zhang on X: https://x.com/AliceXinliZhangRelevant LinksMeta's Ad Library: https://www.facebook.com/ads/library/Strava: https://www.strava.com/Pokémon Go: https://pokemongo.com/Fitbod: https://fitbod.me/Tonebase: https://www.tonebase.co/Calm: https://www.calm.com/Hamilton Island official site: https://www.hamiltonisland.com.au/"Mr. Inbetween" trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EooRG3QhQOYArticle: "Verge Genomics Rebrands as Verge Labs": https://trial.medpath.com/news/verge-genomics-rebrands-as-verge-labs-following-als-drug-trial-failure-pivots-to-ai-driven-target-discoveryEli Lilly: https://www.lilly.com/Chai Discovery: https://www.chaidiscovery.com/Noetik: https://www.noetik.ai/Tempus: https://www.tempus.com/Timestamps:0:00 Louis on building in Melbourne, Australia
7:44 Why INTVL ignores how fast you run
9:59 Agree - Stop chasing invoices at https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
15:52 Using gamification for good
19:10 Powering INTVL's impressive growth
19:55 Quo (formerly OpenPhone) - Quo gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at https://quo.com/TWiST
26:16 The future of TWiST Australia
27:14 Will AI ever cure cancer?
27:54 Inside Verge's rebrand
30:31 Superhuman - Get AI that works where you work. Unlock your Superhuman potential at https://superhuman.com
32:01 Brain tissue as "ground truth"
36:01 Why brain tissue is so valuable as data
43:52 Verge's Eli Lilly partnership
51:34 "You're going to tell me when I'm going to die"
56:11 How AI could impact drug prices
58:19 Clinical trial FAILS and how to move onSubscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpFollow Lon:X: https://x.com/lonsFollow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelmFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisCheck out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarlandCheck out Jason's suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanisFollow TWiST:Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartupsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartupsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartupsSubstack: https://twistartups.substack.com
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Today's show:
Anthropic stabbed Cursor in the back. Then SpaceX swooped in with $60 billion. Today, TWiST connects the dots on the biggest deal in AI since the Microsoft-OpenAI partnership, and why it's a warning sign for every startup building on top of a frontier model. Jason is joined by Bling Capital's Ben Ling, Banana Capital's Turner Novak, and co-host Alex to go deep on the future of coding models, the current golden age of venture liquidity, OpenAI's financials, and the 'Four Ds' of venture investing. The show closes with a tribute to Josh Baer, the founder of Capital Factory.
Guest Links:
Ben Ling https://x.com/bling0?lang=en
Bling Capital https://www.blingcap.com/
Turner Novak https://x.com/TurnerNovak
Banana Capital https://www.bananacapital.vc/
Show Links:
Hanover Park https://www.hanoverpark.com/
SpaceX buys Cursor https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/16/spacex-spcx-cursor-acquisition-ipo.html
Cursor Composer 2.5 https://cursor.com/blog/composer-2-5
OpenAI financials source https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-openai-financials/
AMD's new deskside data center https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/ryzen-ai-halo.html
Perplexity Model Council https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/introducing-model-council
Timestamps:
0:00 Guest introductions
1:15 Guest introductions
2:43 SpaceX acquires Cursor for $60B
6:13 The golden era of M&A
9:13 Northwest Registered Agent: Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
12:04 Cursor's negative gross margins & the compute problem
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15:04 Rolling your own model: When does it make sense?
19:35 LinkedIn: Thanks to our partners at LinkedIn! Post your job for free at https://linkedIn.com/twist then promote it to get access to LinkedIn Jobs' new AI assistant.
22:53 The "headless product" thesis
28:31 Deel: Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more.
34:22 OpenAI financials leaked: $13B revenue, $38.5B net loss
40:13 Where does AI value accumulate?
45:34 Portfolio Spotlight: Hanover Park
48:37 Seed stage graduation rates have fallen from 50% to 25%
54:59 The four Ds of venture: Deal flow, Decisions, Doubling down, Distributions
1:06:36 How to find 'undiscovered gems'
1:30:59 Snap Specs AR glasses: $2,195, and a bit chunky
1:39:29 Tribute to Joshua Baer, Capital Factory's founder
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Today's show:
The next SpaceX won't be building rockets; it'll build the first hotel on the Moon. Today on TWiST, GRU Space founder Skyler Chan brings a brick made from lunar soil into the studio and lays out a plan to manufacture on the Moon as early as next year. We get into the science, the business model, and the regulatory land-grab ahead!
Then, the US government forces Anthropic to pull Fable 5 and Mythos 5. Jason and Lon unpack what it means when a single AI model can vanish overnight, and the US government's emergency order.
Stick around for the winner (or winners?!) of the $5,000 AI podcast-companion bounty!
Timestamps:
0:00 Knicks playoff run, San Antonio & Texas BBQ (Black's vs. Terry Black's)
8:23 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
9:52 Guest intro: Skyler Chan, GRU Space — and the lunar-soil brick
10:29 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
12:14 Why the next SpaceX builds habitats, not rockets
15:18 NASA's $20B moon-base signal & the TRL contracting path
16:13 Business model: from construction contractor to owning lunar land
18:06 Building the hotel robotically + $1M refundable deposits
20:00 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
31:09 Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
39:28 News: US government blocks Anthropic's Fable 5 & Mythos 5
41:34 The politics: Hegseth, Sacks, Jassy & the "conspiracy" angle
1:09:39 Why no single model dependency is safe (multi-model harnesses)
1:18:47 Bounty results: MySidecast wins $3,000
1:19:07 Honorable mentions: Couchverse (Lemon Slice) & Convalenz
1:29:44 Next bounty: the Annotated app
🔗 Links & Resources Mentioned:
Guest & company
Skyler Chan: Founder, GRU Space → https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/galactic-resource-utilization-space-inc-gru-space
GRU Space (Galactic Resource Utilization): YC startup building lunar-regolith bricks and a robotic Moon hotel → https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/galactic-resource-utilization-space-inc-gru-space
GRU Space lunar hotel bookings → https://payloadspace.com/gru-space-opens-bookings-for-planned-lunar-hotel/
🎙️ About the Guest:
Skyler Chan is the founder of GRU Space (Galactic Resource Utilization), a Y Combinator–backed startup developing a payload factory that manufactures bricks from lunar regolith to build the first robotic hotel on the Moon.
Follow GRU Space → https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/galactic-resource-utilization-space-inc-gru-space
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After watching Elon build out his rocket (and AI) company over the past 20 years, Jason celebrates the SpaceX IPO on a new TWiST. He explains why some investments are evaluated based on earnings and current numbers, while other stocks are bets on expensive visions for the future, and why SpaceX why likely pay off across multiple time horizons.
PLUS Polsia solo founder Ben Cera is back with guidance for founders on creating a "Purple Cow": a unique experience that makes their brand memorable.
Guest:
Ben Cera on X: https://x.com/Bencera
Polsia: https://polsia.com/
Polsia on X: https://x.com/polsia
Ben on TWiST E2256 (Feb 2026): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCce8e02Isw
Relevant Links:
SpaceX: https://www.spacex.com/
SPCX on Yahoo Finance: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/
Starlink: https://www.starlink.com/
Planet Labs: https://www.planet.com/
Palantir: https://www.palantir.com/
Valor Equity Partners: https://www.valorep.com/
Seth Godin's "Purple Cow" on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Purple-Cow-New-Transform-Remarkable/dp/1591843170
Uber Ice Cream stunt article: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ubers-brilliant-marketing-stunt-hail-195946535.html
Hillsborough Flintstones House article: https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/The-Flintstone-House-is-now-for-rent-on-Airbnb-10420107.php
"19 Hours Inside the Airbnb X-Mansion" article: https://www.theringer.com/2024/05/29/pop-culture/x-mansion-airbnb-x-men-icons-experience
Was The Pepsi Challenge based on LIES? https://www.historyoasis.com/post/the-pepsi-challenge
CloudKitchens: https://cloudkitchens.com/
Cluely: https://cluely.com/
0:00 SpaceX IPO details
2:12 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
7:21 The voting vs. weighing investment framework
9:41 Pilot: Focus on your product, let Pilot handle your bookkeeping. Pilot provides the most reliable accounting, CFO, and tax services for startups and small businesses. Head to https://pilot.com/twist and get $1,200 off your first year.
19:53 Agree - Stop chasing invoices at https://agree.com and tell them Jason sent you to get 50% off for life!
22:25 The media's SpaceX criticisms and "hot takes"
23:54 Ben Cera of Polsia is back
26:53 Why Jason says no to a free tier
29:10 IM8 Health: Start feeling like your best self every day. Go to https://IM8health.com/twist and use the code TWiST to get a free welcome kit, five free travel sachets, and 10% off your order.
34:27 The wisdom of Seth Godin's "Purple Cow"
50:37 The "Pepsi Challenge" model
1:05:45 Lon got a dog, Jason got routers
1:10:37 The YouTuber to movie theater pipeline
1:15:20 Jason's new favorite travel bag
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Two days before SpaceX launches the largest IPO in history at a flat $135/share, our VC roundtable drops a scorcher: The top 1% of seed deals might actually be underpriced. Plus: the "Sequoia scam" dual-tranche controversy, tokens-for-equity deals, and whether Claude Fable 5 is a true step function.
Tomasz Tunguz (Theory Ventures), Michael Downing (Castalia Capital), and Paige Doherty (Behind Genius Ventures) join Alex to go deep on Seed investing, startup economics, AI spend, and the impact of smarter AI on the founder journey.
Guest Links:
Tomasz Tunguz: https://x.com/ttunguz
Theory Ventures: https://theoryvc.com/
Michael Downing: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeldowning/
Castalia Capital: https://castalia.capital/
Paige Doherty: https://x.com/paigefinnn
Behind Genius Ventures: https://www.behindgeniusventures.com
Show Links:
Anthropic's IPO announcement: https://www.anthropic.com/news/confidential-draft-s1-sec
OpenAI's IPO announcement: https://openai.com/index/openai-submits-confidential-s-1/
Bending Spoons F-1 filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2004711/000110465926071170/tm2613674-7_f1.htm
SpaceX IPO filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026040364/spaceexplorationtechnologib.htm
Brendan Foody's post on Sequoia: https://x.com/BrendanFoody/status/2063470286515683759
Claude Fable 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
OpenRouter data on Chinese models: https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=day
Saronic: https://www.saronic.com/
MotherDuck: https://motherduck.com/
Nox Metals: https://noxmetals.co/
Timestamps:
0:00 Tomasz Tunguz, Michael Downing & Paige Doherty join
2:07 The SpaceX IPO and the IPO window
4:22 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
6:30 The new bar: 10x growth (not 3x) to raise a great Series A
8:46 Net-new AI budgets
9:46 Squarespace: Turn your idea into a beautiful website! Go to https://www.squarespace.com/twist for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.
11:09 How some founders are outgrowing venture capital
11:44 The power pendulum swings back to founders
12:46 SpaceX vs. OpenAI vs. Anthropic: Which IPO is most enticing?
19:53 Deel - Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more.
26:07 Tokens-for-equity, GPU-hours-for-equity & the financialization of compute
28:35 Founders airing VC dirty laundry (napping VCs included)
29:56 Netsuite - The business landscape is very chaotic right now. That's why you need NetSuite, by Oracle. Get the free business guide Demystifying AI at https://Netsuite.com/TWiST
36:38 Claude Fable 5 first impressions: pricing, benchmarks & orchestration
45:42 Where value accrues: application layer vs. models vs. private data
1:00:06 Nationalization of AI labs: Bernie Sanders, Sam Altman & Trump agree?!
1:01:25 Portfolio spotlights: Saronic, MotherDuck, and Nox Metals
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The AI Tutor That Makes Kids Actually Think | E2298
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*Schools teach kids to memorize formulas. AI helps them skip thinking entirely. Brilliant founder Sue Khim joins TWiST to tell us how her new AI tutor, Koji, uses the Socratic Method to help students solve complex problems on their own. Find out why she says "People aren't anti-AI. They're anti-being replaced and anti-slop."
PLUS Jason's take on the VC horror stories going around X… and his own anecdote about the tenacity and passion of legendary investor John Doerr.
Guest:
Sue Khim on X: https://x.com/suekhim
Brilliant: https://brilliant.org/
Viral Koji launch video: https://x.com/suekhim/status/2060378988606878147
Relevant Links:
Viral Greg Isenberg post about VCs: https://x.com/gregisenberg/status/2061794787825479818
Travis Kalanick's story: https://x.com/travisk/status/2062224472426365045
Matthew Prince's stories: https://x.com/eastdakota/status/2062860530360959273
John Doerr on X: https://x.com/johndoerr
Roelof Botha on X: https://x.com/roelofbotha
Michael Moritz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelmoritz/
Mohr Davidow Ventures: https://mdv.com/
Jason's book "Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups": https://www.amazon.com/Angel-Invest-Technology-Startups-Timeless-Investor/dp/0062560700
Timestamps:
0:00 Sue Khim's Alltuition origin story
1:41 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
4:10 Brilliant: from launch to product market pull
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15:08 Pricing against tutors, not apps
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21:22 Koji demo
24:11 Keeping Brilliant local while expanding
30:22 Shopify - Turn those What Ifs into sales with the e-commerce platform powering millions of businesses. Sign up for your $1-per-month trial today at https://shopify.com/twist
40:10 Every founder has a VC horror story
44:33 John Doerr went the extra mile to hear JCal's pitch
52:55 The LAUNCH investment strategy
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Today's show:
Anthropic wrote a blog post calling for a global AI slowdown. Meanwhile, Sen. Bernie Sanders wants the government to seize 50% of every major AI company's stock. Find out why JCal is reconsidering universal basic (or even high!) income policies, and why he thinks the 2028 presidential election will likely come down to AI policies.
PLUS a live ComfyUI demo from founder Yoland Yan. Find out why the free-to-use open-source node-based platform has become a crucial part of millions of designers' and VFX experts' workflows, and how their tool has been used to create everything from "The Wizard of Oz" at the Vegas Sphere to those viral Coca-Cola holiday ads.
Guest
Yoland Yan: http://x.com/yoland_yan
ComfyUI: https://comfy.org/
AI Models and Tools
Ideogram 4.0: https://ideogram.ai/models/4.0/
Stable Diffusion: https://stability.ai/
LTX Video: https://github.com/Lightricks/LTX-Video
LoRa: https://huggingface.co/docs/diffusers/training/lora
Google Veo: https://deepmind.google/models/veo/
Relevant Links:
Anthropic: "When AI Builds Itself": https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improvement
Bernie Sanders: "The Public Should Own Half of the Big AI Companies": https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/the-public-should-own-half-of-the-big-a-i-companies/
Bloomberg: "Sam Altman-Backed Group Completes Largest US Study on Basic Income": https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-22/ubi-study-backed-by-openai-s-sam-altman-bolsters-support-for-basic-income
Timestamps:
0:00 Guest 1: Yoland Yan, ComfyUI — live demo intro
2:06 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
4:34 Guest 1: Yoland Yan, ComfyUI — live demo intro
9:47 Grasshopper Bank - Time is money. Don't waste either. Go to https://grasshopper.bank/twist and get an exclusive $500 cash bonus just for opening an account.
20:05 Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
22:24 What is Outpainting?
30:01 Render - Find out why 5 million developers are already using the all-in-one cloud platform, Render. Go to https://render.com/twist and apply for the Render Startup Program to get $500-$100,000 in free credits, depending on your stage and backers.
32:13 Jason's insider sales team advice
38:42 LA mayoral race: Bass vs. Pratt
42:25 Anthropic wants AI to slow down?
48:45 Will Sen. Sanders' argument resonate with the public?
59:39 Why 2028 will be the AI jobs election
1:05:32 Brian Chesky's new AI lab
1:15:21 Jason's "Mandalorian and Grogu" review
1:18:53 YouTubers take over the box office
1:24:16 Dean Potter vs. Alex Honnold
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Want to get to space? Several launch companies can help you. SpaceX, Rocket Lab, the Russians, the list goes on. But what about once you make it upstairs, then what? Impulse Space CEO and CTO Tom Mueller is building the next stage of our orbital economy. With its Mira and Helios spacecraft, we'll soon be able to take mass from lower orbits to higher orbits, or even to the Moon, with ease.
Meanwhile, venture capitalists are enamored with the idea of humanoid robots — robots share our shape, our work environment, and even our tools. But startups like Dusty Robotics are taking a different tack; instead of building human-shaped robots, Dusty has built a small, wheeled 'bot that can mark out building sites quickly and accurately. And it's doing more revenue than all humanoid robotics companies combined, I reckon. Dusty's CEO, Dr. Tessa Lau, joins Alex to go deep on purpose-built robots in today's build-crazy market.
Timestamps:
0:00 Blue Origin, and why fixing things in orbit is hard
2:19 What Mira is and what it does
4:35 Why was the commercial demand for Mira softer than expected
5:20 Space Force demand and the GEO-capable Mira
7:08 Helios: a "rocket on top of a rocket."
10:10 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
11:35 How Helios beats Falcon Heavy on price ($25M)
13:35 Reusability, in-orbit refueling, and propellant depots
15:38 Landers, the Moon base, and "Mega Helios."
18:52 NSSL and the politics of flying government payloads
20:16 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
20:51 Why the Moon matters: megastructures and data centers in space
25:09 The space talent market and the SpaceX "mafia."
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Cortical Labs is the world's first company selling biological computers. Their CL1 fuses lab-grown human neurons (derived from stem cells, not actual folks) with silicon hardware to create Synthetic Biological Intelligence (SBI).
Founder Dr. Hon Weng Chong walks us through how the system works and why neurons are more efficient than GPUs at reinforcement learning. (Also… is this computer alive?)
PLUS Pyka co-founder and CEO Michael Norcia explains the various uses for his autonomous aircraft, from crop-spraying drones in Brazil to a a hybrid-electric defense UAV for the military.
Guests:
Cortical Labs: ****https://corticallabs.com/
Dr. Hon Weng Chong on X: https://x.com/dr1337
Pyka: https://www.flypyka.com/
Pyka on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/flypyka/?hl=en
Further Reading:
2022 Pong paper in Neuron: https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(22)00806-6
2017 Paper: "Attention is All You Need"; https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762
The "Barista Test" for Artificial Intelligence: Chris Rourk: https://medium.com/predict/the-turing-test-is-so-last-century-the-barista-test-for-artificial-general-intelligence-faf91034fa8c
Notable Links:
Playing "DOOM" on CL1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRV8fSw6HaE
DayOne Data Center: https://dayonedc.com/
NeurIPS 2026 Conference: https://neurips.cc/
Neuralink: https://neuralink.com/
CliniCloud Digital Stethoscope and Thermometer: https://www.design-industry.com.au/clinicloud
Air Force Research Laboratory (AFWERX): https://afwerx.com/
Joby Aviation: https://www.jobyaviation.com/
Prime Movers Lab: https://www.primemoverslab.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 What is "biological computing"?
2:49 Cortical's new $30 million raise
4:15 The world's first biological data center
9:48 Deel - Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more.
10:51 Biological computers have a learning advantage
19:43 Quo (formerly OpenPhone) - Quo gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at https://quo.com/TWiST
29:15 LinkedIn Jobs - Hire right, the first time. Post your first job and get $100 off towards your job post at https://LinkedIn.com/twist
38:46 From paper airplanes to Group 4 UAVs
52:20 Introducing the DropShip defense drone
58:28 How regulations block US drones
1:00:40 Why Pyka builds everything in-house
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Today's show:
Jason breaks down the real math behind raising a seed round. Here's the funnel: contact 150 firms, get 50 first meetings, convert 2o into second meetings, and close 2 term sheets.
PLUS Jason responds to viewer questions about why hardware is no longer a dirty word for investors, how to differentiate your startup from frontier-model companies like OpenAI, even when they're in your niche. Plus a pitch for "Founder Community College," and anecdotes from Lon's European odyssey.
Thanks for the Questions:
Richard Corral: CEO of Quanto: https://quanto.co/
ØnProtons on X: https://x.com/0nProtons
SergeDawg on X: https://x.com/sergedawg
Mahika Golani
Peridot: https://www.tryperidot.com/
Shawn Sully on X: https://x.com/aroogle
Programs and Accelerators Mentioned:
Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/
Techstars: https://www.techstars.com/
Antler: https://www.antler.co/
PearX: https://pear.vc/pearx/
Sequoia ARC: https://www.sequoiacap.com/arc/
Kauffman Fellows: https://www.kauffmanfellows.org/
Companies and Startups Referenced:
Whoop: https://www.whoop.com/
Knightscope: https://knightscope.com/
Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/
Cafe X: https://www.cafexapp.com/
Media Referenced:
New Yorker Sam Altman profile: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may-control-our-future-can-he-be-trusted
Off-Duty Recommendations
Terra Kaffe Demi compact automatic espresso machine: https://www.terrakaffe.com/products/tk-demi
Osteria Pastella (Florence, Italy): https://www.osteriapastella.it/
Timestamps:
0:00 Inside the TWiST private group chat
3:25 How to react when an investor says your "too early."
6:50 The ultimate seed round funnel
8:48 Jason's new Associate in Training program
10:09 Grasshopper Bank - Time is money. Don't waste either. Go to https://grasshopper.bank/twist and get an exclusive $500 cash bonus just for opening an account.
18:28 How have the metrics for early-stage companies changed?
20:20 LinkedIn Jobs - Hire right, the first time. Post your first job and get $100 off towards your job post at https://LinkedIn.com/twist
22:34 TWiST Bounties update
23:43 Competing against frontier labs
30:03 What signals real investor-founder alignment?
30:14 Northwest Registered Agent - Get more when you start your business with Northwest. In 10 clicks and 10 minutes, you can form your company and walk away with a real business identity — Learn more at https://northwestregisteredagent.com/twist
36:07 A crash course in Bay Area startup culture
40:15 Automatons-as-a-Service (AaaS)
42:29 Who in Silicon Valley does Jason really not like?
49:59 Museum Etiquette with Lon Harris
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Today's show:
The "Ryanair of drone delivery" just raised $50 million and plans to bring its technology from Europe to the United States. Manna founder Bobby Healy explains to TWiST how his Dublin-based company completed 300,000 deliveries while some rivals are still publishing blog posts, and why low-cost airline economics will decide who wins the autonomous skies.
Sticking to the drone theme, TWiST welcomed Theseus co-founder Ian Laffey, who called in from Kyiv to tell us about his company's drone guidance system. It runs off a simple camera and Google Maps. The technology could rewrite the modern, GPS-jammed battlefield, and bring more firepower to smaller nations fending off larger foes.
Guest Links:
Manna https://www.manna.aero
Bobby Healy https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhealy/
Manna funding announcement https://www.manna.aero/blog/series-b
Theseus https://www.theseus.us/
Ian Laffey https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilaffey2/
Most recent Theseus funding announcement https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/17/defense-tech-theseus-landed-y-combinator-the-us-special-forces-and-4-3m-from-a-tweet/
The tweet that kickstarted Theseus: https://x.com/ilaffey2/status/1759353732075294766
Timestamps:
0:00 Bobby Healy of Manna joins TWiST
1:41 How a Manna base works: drones migrate around the city like Waymos
7:18 Battle-hardened in Irish weather: 97% uptime in wind and rain
8:52 Margin-positive economics & the path to $0.20 per delivery
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12:32 $50M Series B vs competitors raising $600–800M
19:51 Deel - Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more.
22:53 The peer-to-peer drone future and hyper-local commerce
25:46 Growing from 170 to 570 people and moving manufacturing to Oklahoma
28:43 Ian Laffey of Theseus joins TWIST
29:57 Render: Find out why 5 million developers are already using the all-in-one cloud platform, Render. Go to https://render.com/twist and apply for the Render Startup Program to get $500-$100,000 in free credits, depending on your stage and backers.
30:58 Inside Ukraine's drone industry: front-line iteration and free-market speed
33:55 How GPS gets jammed across the spectrum
35:10 Theseus's approach: cameras + satellite maps + ML
37:04 The product: Raspberry Pi, SD card, camera — pretending to be GPS
49:02 Ukraine: 6–8M drones a year. The US: 300K over two years.
51:17 Are US drone primes actually reconstituting the supply chain?
58:22 Y Combinator as a defense tech accelerator
59:40 "Pick an issue and start working as hard as you can towards it"
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Today's show:
Startups like Divergent Technologies are producing components and aircraft for the military through new systems that are better, faster, and cheaper than conventional methods. CEO and co-founder Lukas Czinger stops by TWiST to share the company's vertically integrated, AI-driven manufacturing platform and how he transitioned from hypercar parts to working directly with the Pentagon on autonomous aircraft.
Plus, 50 million Americans are on antidepressants, and it's not necessarily the right treatment for all of them. Outro Health co-founders Brandon Goode and Dr. Mark Horowitz share their hyperbolic tapering method, which helps patients get off drugs like Zoloft and Prozac without suffering through traumatic and potentially dangerous side effects.
Guests
Lukas Czinger: https://x.com/lukasczinger
Divergent Technologies: https://www.divergent3d.com
Czinger Vehicles: https://www.czinger.com/
Brandon Goode: https://www.linkedin.com/in/goodebrandon/
Dr. Mark Horowitz: https://x.com/markhoro
Outro Health: https://outro.com
Timestamps:
0:00 Divergent shifted from hypercar development to 3D printing all kinds of components
1:33 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
4:10 How 3D printing has exponentially improved
8:18 Making military components faster, better, and cheaper
9:58 Every.io - For all of your incorporation, banking, payroll, benefits, accounting, taxes or other back-office administration needs, visit https://every.io
11:00 How Divergent caught the Pentagon's attention
19:51 Shopify - Turn those What Ifs into sales with the ecommerce platform powering millions of businesses. Sign up for your $1-per-month trial today at https://shopify.com/twist
25:29 Why Outro Health helps patients taper off SSRIs
30:06 Render - Find out why 5 million developers are already using the all-in-one cloud platform, Render. Go to https://render.com/twist and apply for the Render Startup Program to get $500-$100,000 in free credits, depending on your stage and backers.
36:37 Is depression caused by a "chemical imbalance"?
46:37 Understanding the hyperbolic tapering method
58:32 How Outro makes money
1:10:01 Leaked Meta layoff audio
1:13:41 Cloudflare CEO drops "measurer" roles
1:18:16 CrowdHealth - CrowdHealth lets you ditch the bureaucracy with a peer-to-peer funding platform for your healthcare. Get started for $99 per month for your first three months by using the code TWIST at https://JoinCrowdHealth.com/twist.
1:19:17 Why Trump canceled his AI executive order
1:28:08 Polymarket sharps on Russia vs. Ukraine, SpaceX ticker symbol
1:33:34 Luel vs. Kled update: Is this nepotism at work?
1:37:02 Chris Nolan doesn't have a smartphone
1:43:04 Jason's favorite new espresso machine
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Why raise $200 million if you are already profitable? That's the question Jason and Alex put to Mercury's founder and CEO, Immad Akhund, after the entrepreneur raised another massive round for his upstart, technology-friendly bank. TWiST then welcomed Kled founder Avi Patel to discuss the startup he considers a clear ripoff of his own company. Jason gavels in verdicts on all parties involved, including Y Combinator and venture capital firm General Catalyst. The show closes with a news lightning round, including OpenAI's decision to offer $2 million in token credits to hundreds of startups.
Guest Links:
Mercury https://mercury.com
Mercury funding announcement https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260520511817/en/Mercury-Raises-$200-Million-Series-D-at-$5.2B-Valuation
Immad Akhund on X https://x.com/immad
Kled https://www.kled.ai/
Avi Patel on X https://x.com/avipat_/
Avi's complaint https://x.com/avipat_/status/2055384102409253056
General Catalyst https://www.generalcatalyst.com/
Y Combinator https://www.ycombinator.com/
Discussion links:
Anthropic's attack on secondary trading https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/12/anthropic-warns-investors-against-secondary-platforms-offering-access-to-its-shares/
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Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome to This Week in Startups!
2:14 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
3:27 Immad Akhund (Mercury) joins to discuss $200M raise
6:33 Mercury's origin story and path to $650M run rate
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14:23 Stablecoins: where they work, why Mercury won't launch its own
20:13 LinkedIn - Thanks to our partners at LinkedIn! Post your job for free at https://linkedIn.com/twist then promote it to get access to LinkedIn Jobs' new AI assistant.
22:38 AI agents, and the future of money movement
27:30 Why Mercury raised less this round
30:11 Grasshopper Bank - Time is money. Don't waste either. Go to https://grasshopper.bank/twist and get an exclusive $500 cash bonus just for opening an account.
42:48 Avi Patel (Kled) joins to discuss copycat startups
57:06 Jason's verdict on YC's hacker culture & "appearance of impropriety"
1:17:39 Sam Altman's $2M-in-tokens-for-equity offer to YC founders
1:24:32 NYC hotel housekeepers cross $100K in time under new union contract
1:30:14 Minimum wage, immigration & the case for raising it slowly
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Today's show:
AI is the villain of the 2026 commencement cycle, with business luminaries — including Eric Schmidt — booed for discussing or praising the technology. As students graduate into a job market forcibly reshaped by AI, increasingly negative public polling on the potential impacts of artificial intelligence on society is clearly not missing the mark.
Jason and Alex then discussed The Information's reporting that Anthropic and OpenAI earn nearly 90% of all startup AI revenue, a Stanford student's viral essay regarding their time at the university in a post-ChatGPT world, Flock Safety's impressive (and worrying) web of cameras, and the upcoming Mark II AI bookmark. The episode closes with questions from our live audience!
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Timestamps:
0:00 TWiST All-Stars summer lineup announcement
2:43 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!
5:08 Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona commencement
8:57 Why Gen Z feels "double-crossed" by AI leaders
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15:22 Is this AI's Vietnam moment? The anti-war parallel
18:04 Theo Baker's NYT essay on Stanford's AI cheating culture
19:24 Sentry - New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
22:30 Why Jason says everyone should start a company
28:59 Anthropic + OpenAI capture 89% of AI startup revenue
30:17 Vanta: Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://www.vanta.com/twist
31:57 Are token sales a duopoly? Negative gross margins debate
35:17 Risk of building app-layer startups on top of foundation models
38:22 Inside Tracker bounty update: AI sidebar + Annotated.com
41:18 Mark II: the $159 AI bookmark Alex wants
49:31 Flock Safety solves Austin shooting via Manor PD
53:39 DeFlock map and the geography of surveillance in Texas
1:03:42 Noti Gang: AI for filing patents
1:05:45 Noti Gang: Running AI models locally on Mac Studios
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Self-driving just stopped being a science problem and became an engineering challenge instead. That's the through-line of today's double-header with the CEOs of two of the most important AV companies in the world — Wayve's Alex Kendall and Waabi's Raquel Urtasun. Between them: ~$2B raised in the last six months, Uber as a partner, Nissan and Volvo as OEMs, and a shared bet that end-to-end AI plus world models beats Waymo's city-by-city map-and-pray approach.
If you want to understand the state of the self-driving industry beyond recent Waymo announcements, this is the episode for you.
Guest Links:
Wayve: wayve.ai/
Waabi: http://waabi.ai/
Alex Kendall https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgkendall/
Raquel Uratsun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raquel-urtasun-298400139/
Company Links:
Wayve's GAIA-2 world model: https://wayve.ai/thinking/gaia-2/
Wayve's 500 city roadshow: https://wayve.ai/thinking/ai-500-roadshow-500-cities/
Wavye's most recent funding round: https://wayve.ai/press/series-d/
Waybe + Uber: https://wayve.ai/press/wayve-nissan-uber-robotaxi-collaboration/
Waabi closed-loop simulator: https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-world
Waabi + Uber: https://www.uberfreight.com/en-US/blog/uber-freight-and-waabi-introduce-industry-first-autonomous-truck-deployment-solution
Timestamps:
0:00 Alex Kendall (Wayve) joins the show
1:19 The contrarian bet on end-to-end AI and world models in 2017
3:05 What is a world model? GAIA-2 and GAIA-3 explained
7:34 Sensor agnosticism: camera, radar, LiDAR and minimum bar for safety
9:56 $1.5B raised — have we cracked self-driving?
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25:03 How consumers will actually pay: bundle, subscription, or free trial
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35:59 Raquel Urtasun (Waabi) joins the show
36:25 World models as controllable simulators for physical AI
43:34 One AI brain across trucks, robotaxis, and beyond
47:35 What changed in AI to make 2026 the deployment year
52:28 Why Waabi raised $1B when they're capital-efficient
58:52 Where Waabi is today: Volvo VNL Autonomous, Dallas-Houston, Uber Freight
1:00:50 Per-mile pricing and the Driver-as-a-Service model
1:07:20 Has Uber tried to buy Waabi? "Not for sale"
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This Week In Startups is made possible by:Pilot - https://Pilot.com/TWISTGrasshopper Bank - https://Grasshopper.bank/TWISTQuo - https://Quo.com/TWiSTPlaud - https://Plaud.ai/twistAnthropic just declared every unauthorized secondary sale of its stock "void" — naming Hiive, Forge, Sydecar, Upmarket, and others in a public hit list. Jason and Alex sit down with Jenny Fielding (Everywhere Ventures), Dave McClure (Practical VC), and Sam Lessin (Slow Ventures) to unpack what the AI lab's move to limit secondary trades means for SPV operators, brokers, and the founders trying to keep control of their cap tables. Plus: a real story of a founder who returned a $15M Series A six months after closing because Claude was going to eat his startup, SaaS moats, and just what does it mean to be rich?Timestamps:0:00 Guest introductions0:48 Anthropic voids unauthorized SPV trades8:41 Accredited investor reform & the SEC sophisticated investor test8:58 Quo (formerly OpenPhone) - Quo gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free at https://quo.com/TWiST11:43 Naval's USVC closed-end fund as a workaround16:41 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off!17:48 Pro-rata rights battles: when Series A investors push seed investors out19:36 Grasshopper Bank: Time is money. Don't waste either. Go to https://grasshopper.bank/twist and get an exclusive $500 cash bonus just for opening an account.29:13 Pilot: Focus on your product, let Pilot handle your bookkeeping. Pilot provides the most reliable accounting, CFO, and tax services for startups and small businesses. Head to https://pilot.com/twist and get $1,200 off your first year.30:23 Storing wealth in stories vs. cash flows34:19 Cerebras and Fervo Energy IPOs — meaningful liquidity?37:54 Will SpaceX, Anthropic, OpenAI IPOs redistribute capital or compound it?45:58 The $15M Series A founder who returned the money because of Claude50:01 Should founders pivot or return capital when the world changes?56:43 OpenAI's $6.6B tender and Shruti Gandhi's viral SF cost-of-living tweet1:00:25 Intercom rebrands to Fin: the AI-first late-stage pivotSubscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.comCheck out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.comSubscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcpFollow Lon:X: https://x.com/lonsFollow Alex:X: https://x.com/alexLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelmFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisCheck out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, Eoghan McCabe, Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Bob Moesta, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarlandCheck out Jason's suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanisFollow TWiST:Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartupsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartupsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartupsSubstack: https://twistartups.substack.com