Indiana is better than West Virginia, nobody disagrees ? except Chris. Ben, Chris, and the former Governor ? and reality TV star? ? Mitch Daniels talk about higher education, the need to deliver competency for taxpayers, and the looming debt crisis.

Ben can?t do pull-ups anymore, so it?s a great time to talk to Admiral William McRaven. The guys talk about the fine line between swagger and arrogance, the importance of clear communication, and the way McRaven built his teams of Navy Seals. Lots of conversation about failure as a teacher and McRaven?s top-5 must-read book recommendations.

Show Notes:

Admiral McRaven's book recommendations:
? Marcus Aurelius: Meditations
? Anton Myrer: Once an Eagle
? Erich Maria Remarque: All Quiet on the Western Front
? Will Durant
? Ella Wheeler Wilcox
? Rudyard Kipling
? Stephen M. R. Covey: The Speed of Trust: The One Thing That Changes Everything
? Ian MacHorton: The Hundred Days of Lt. MacHorton 

This Q&A episode has everything. Habits, dispositional conservatism, family bookshelves, Bo Jackson, Viking longboats, Apollo space ships, theology, and more. In an effort to avoid premature elaboration, the gang does a lightning round of false binaries.

Ben and Chris talk with tech analyst Ben Thompson about the future. Is AI heaven, or hell, or both? Does the future belong to China or the United States? What?s the deal with Silicon Valley and does American ingenuity require a little insanity?

Singer, songwriter, musician, actor, and record producer Clint Black joins underachievers Ben and Chris. The gang talks about country music, writing, parenting, career choices, and gratitude. How much does art depend on lived-experience and pain, or can performers serve their audiences without working through their own trials?

Astronaut and Nebraskan Clayton Anderson joins the guys to talk about all things space. The human desire to explore, the vocation of spacewalking hundreds of miles above the earth, the rigors of NASA?s selection process, and the challenges of getting to Mars. Ben and Clayton agree Nebraska is better than West Virginia ? it?s science.

Renaissance man Walter Russell Mead joins the guys to talk about history and global affairs. This episode has everything: Hamiltonians, Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, Wilsonians, Israel, Iran, tech companies, and the kitchen sink.

Ben and Chris talk a bit about their first jobs and how child labor laws are ruining the country. Then things get super nerdy when Nicholas Eberstadt joins the guys to talk about demographic decline, labor force participation, why men need work.

Drew and Ellie join the guys to talk about family, art, and soul. Ben has no rhythm, but the musicians talk about art as ache, embodied prayer, and yearning for home. Also, make your kids listen to the Beatles.

Jonah joins the boys for their first in-person podcast. Friendship, morphine (higher than average morphine-brain for Ben), note cards, institutions, and journalism. Ben and Chris talk about the why behind the podcast. Wonks have fun too.

The guys talk about hard work and hustle, the choices parents make, the ups, downs, and idols of success, and real vs Ned Flanders Christianity. The dude from Avengers, Jurassic Park, and Super Mario Bros. talks about how he wants his kids to understand what it means to be a man.

Justice Barrett joins Ben and Chris. Ben shares his status as the founding member of the ACB for SCOTUS club. The three talk about how she writes her opinions, how parenting slows down the train, the importance of civics, and what horse-race political journalism gets wrong about the Supreme Court.

Is the Dirty Jobs guy secretly America?s most popular philosopher? Mike Rowe joins the guys. This episode has everything: vomit, Stoics, turkey insemination, philosopher welders, wonder, and the problems with institutionalized childhood.

Caitlin runs circles around the guys. They talk about deadlines (for writing and living), living with cancer, raising families, how truth has the last word, and a little bit about California.

Who doesn?t love two Harvard dweebs talking about jokes rather than telling them? The guys talk with Conan O?Brien about dopamine, families, why politicians aren?t funny, his new movie with Rose Byrne, and why Ben wants him to do a history podcast.

The guys promised Conan, but when the USA defeats Canada in hockey ? 46 years to the day after the 1980 Miracle on Ice ? you gotta talk to Al Michaels. Ben, Chris, and Al talk about that incredible victory over the Soviet Union, the importance of sports, and a little bit about vocation. USA, USA, USA!

They?re on the clock! In the kickoff episode, Ben and Chris talk about terminal cancer, procrastination, morphine, and parenting ? all to explain why they?re launching a podcast now about redeeming the time.