Lecrae welcomes Phillip Anthony Mitchell back to The Deep End for an honest conversation about the realities of public ministry. From navigating criticism and protecting his family to staying grounded in Scripture amid cultural pressure, Phillip reflects on the lessons he's learned as his platform has grown and why faithfulness has remained his highest priority. They also discuss the vision behind Access, the importance of prayer, and the heart behind Phillip's new book, Contend.

01:09 Introduction
03:00 Responding to Criticism with Humility
06:22 Navigating Influence Without Pride
08:40 How Public Ministry Affects Family
11:33 Why Pastor Phillip Travels with Security
17:28 The Vision Behind Access
22:42 The Power of Corporate Prayer
24:03 Preaching the Bible in a Divided Culture
29:03 Why He Preaches Through Books of the Bible
30:07 Should Christians Charge for Live Events?
34:51 Fair Criticism vs. Unfair Criticism
36:23 The Cost of Public Obedience
37:35 What Phillip Anthony Mitchell Is Really Like
40:21 Why Christians Need to Stop Slandering Each Other
46:37 Confrontation vs. Public Call Outs
47:55 Encouragement for Faithful Pastors
49:18 The Message of Contend

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This week, Lecrae sits down with bestselling author and Proverbs 31 Ministries president Lysa TerKeurst for an honest conversation about betrayal, emotional abuse, forgiveness, divorce, and learning to trust God when life doesn't go the way you hoped. Together, they unpack difficult questions many Christians wrestle with, including what Scripture actually says about divorce, the difference between forgiveness and reconciliation, and how to recognize emotional abuse without minimizing its impact.

Along the way, Lysa shares personal stories, biblical insight, and practical encouragement for anyone walking through disappointment, grief, or broken relationships.

 

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Lecrae welcomes Dr. Sarita Lyons back to The Deep End for a conversation about healing from relational wounds and navigating difficult conversations with biblical wisdom.

Together, they explore how family brokenness shapes us, the difference between forgiveness and reconciliation, why "protecting your peace" isn't always biblical, and what true healing looks like through the lens of the gospel.

They also dive into women in the Church, navigating church hurt without abandoning Scripture, and why our deepest wounds can never be healed apart from Christ. Whether your relationship with your mother has been life giving, complicated, or somewhere in between, this conversation offers biblical wisdom, practical insight, and a hopeful path toward healing.

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For years, the world has known Dwight Howard through highlights, headlines, and controversy. This conversation tells a different story.

From the pressure of carrying his faith into the NBA to navigating public failure, fatherhood, and the search for purpose beyond basketball, Dwight reflects on the lessons that shaped him both on and off the court.

If you've only followed the headlines, this episode offers a different perspective.

0:00 Introduction
01:13 Dwight Howard's NBA Journey
03:48 Wanting to Change the NBA for Jesus
04:32 The Pressure of Being 18 in the NBA
07:05 Fame, Temptation & Growing Up Fast
11:35 Feeling Like God Was Silent
13:59 What I'd Tell My Younger Self
15:03 What It Means to Die to Yourself
15:59 The Truth About Superman
17:22 The Weight of Representing Christ
19:03 "Am I Just Experiencing Life?"
20:55 Living with Public Criticism
22:55 Fatherhood & Learning from the Past
25:52 The Reality of Dating as an NBA Star
31:49 The Cost of Greatness
33:37 Kobe, LeBron & Finding Balance
38:34 The Double Standard of Public Faith
41:33 My Purpose Beyond Basketball
43:10 How I Handle the Hate
45:39 More Than the Headlines

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Lecrae has won Grammys, earned platinum records, topped the Billboard charts, and shared rooms with some of the most famous people in the world. Yet even at the height of his success, he still felt insignificant.

In this episode, Lecrae reveals the hidden reality of fame and explains why achievement, recognition, and acceptance can never heal insecurity. He shares what finally helped him stop chasing validation, confront the wounds beneath his ambition, and find his identity in who God created him to be.

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Lecrae sits down with Dr. Tony Evans, Beth Moore, and Pastor Jeffrey Johnson Sr. for a rare conversation about the state of the American church—and what it will take to move forward faithfully.

Together, they address why younger generations are leaving the faith, the divide between Christianity and American politics, the role of women in ministry, navigating prolonged singleness, enduring painful seasons, and knowing when it's time to pass the mantle. With more than 140 years of combined ministry experience, these Christian leaders share hard-earned wisdom about following Jesus through every season of life.

Filmed live at Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship Church.

CHAPTERS
0:00 The Wisdom the Church Needs Right Now
1:19 Lecrae Introduces the Roundtable
5:36 What Is the Kingdom of God?
7:29 What the American Church Gets Wrong
9:10 Passing the Mantle to the Next Generation
12:37 Why Young People Are Leaving the Church
18:15 Finding Purpose in Pain
23:58 Should Christians Get Involved in Politics?
31:21 The Debate Over Women in Ministry
38:06 What to Do When You're Tired of Being Single
42:24 How to Finish Life Well
49:25 Lecrae Honors Their Legacy
49:56 A Prayer for the Next Generation
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You've seen the clip. Before Lecrae responds to Marcus Rogers, he asks a harder question: when did we start treating Matthew 18 like a flowchart for public callouts instead of a chapter about not losing your brother?

In this episode, Lecrae unpacks the viral clip from Marcus Rogers and uses it as a launching pad for something bigger than one callout: how discernment culture works, where it goes wrong, and what Scripture actually asks of us when we think someone's walking crooked. He walks through his own past failure judging an artist he'd never met, breaks down what Matthew 18 says (and what it doesn't), and separates testing what someone teaches from diagnosing their heart. Along the way: the Killer Mike story, the Kirk Franklin question, the South by Southwest moment people still bring up, and the Will Smith clip everyone's been quoting out of context.

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Is Christian dating actually broken… or are we just doing it wrong?

Lecrae sits down with B. Simone, Toni Collier, Chaz Smith, and Matthew Hudson for an honest, hilarious, and surprisingly vulnerable conversation about modern dating, singleness, sex, celibacy, standards, leadership, healing, and what it really looks like to pursue relationships God's way.

From waiting until marriage and dating after divorce to unrealistic expectations and learning how to be content while single, nothing is off the table.

Whether you're dating, waiting, healing, or wondering if your person is even out there, this conversation is for you.

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Tim Keller was Lecrae's Michael Jordan. Ten years of sermons, a shared reading list with Kendrick Lamar, and a friendship that started with him shaking like "a stripper in church on Sunday." Then 2016 happened, and Lecrae stopped listening to any theologian who looked like Keller.

In week two of his series on the men who shaped his theology, Lecrae gets brutally honest about Doctor Timothy Keller: the missionary sermon that rewired how he saw the city, the years of silence during his own "disorientation," and the moment he came back around to find Keller had been standing in the gap the whole time. He talks about writing a book together, watching Keller invest in Bronx pastors most reformed circles ignored, and the small paperback — The Freedom of Self-Forgetfulness — that became a spiritual anchor. And he tells the story of a breakdown in Mexico, a copy of Prodigal Prophet, and an actual whale outside his window.

This one is personal, complicated, and honest about a man Lecrae calls one of the great Western Christian thinkers — flaws included.

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00:00 The theologian who made him nervous like a fan meeting Jordan

03:05 Picking up where the Piper conversation left off

05:00 The father wound behind every theological hero

08:28 A friend named Miguel and the sermon that changed everything

10:13 Trained to be missionaries, not just pastors

10:31 The oil spill metaphor that reshaped his view of the city

16:40 2016 and the year he went quiet

20:51 Why he stopped listening to every white theologian

23:39 Coming back around and catching wind of what he'd missed

27:28 The panel, the book, and the wisdom he didn't expect

28:42 Why he thinks history will remember Keller like C.S. Lewis

34:55 The thin book he makes every artist he signs read

36:18 A breakdown in Mexico, a book about Jonah, and a whale outside the window

41:01 What's coming next: Mark Driscoll

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"I made an idol out of John Piper." Lecrae doesn't say that lightly. For years, John Piper shaped the way he read the Bible, understood God, wrote music, and approached ministry. His sermons became the soundtrack to an entire season of Lecrae's life. When he finally met Piper, after meeting celebrities, athletes, and presidents, no one left him more starstruck.
But admiration has a way of becoming something else.

In this episode, Lecrae opens up about growing up without a father. He shares why he was unknowingly looking for affirmation from older spiritual leaders. He reflects on how John Piper became the father figure he didn't realize he was searching for,  and explains what happened when racial tension, church hurt, and life experience forced him to reevaluate everything he once accepted without question.

Lecrae also shares how his view of Piper has changed over the years, why he believes gratitude and critique can coexist, and what it looks like to honor the people God used in your life without expecting them to carry what only Jesus can.

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From the time he was 7 years old, his dad told him: people like you and want to hear what you have to say. Judah Smith spent the next four decades finding out what that actually meant — and what it cost.
He became one of the most recognizable preachers in America. Known as Bieber's pastor. Called America's sexiest pastor. Put on the Mount Rushmore of celebrity pastors. And now, sitting across from Lecrae, he says the scariest thing he's ever admitted out loud: his critics might be right about him.
In this episode, Judah opens up about growing up 7th generation in a preaching family with real darkness in its history, the moment he realized he'd been preaching about a Jesus he wasn't sure he actually knew, what happened with Mark Driscoll, the spiritual father who asked to get paid, the friends who disappeared when his circumstances changed, and why he's giving the rest of his life to the 50% of Americans who say they'll never step foot in a church.
He also announces a Netflix deal live on camera. Nobody in the room knew it was coming.

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Dr. Anita Phillips spent 27 years married, went through a divorce, and still woke up the next day believing God is good. That's not a talking point. That's a testimony.

In this conversation, the NYT bestselling author of The Garden Within, trauma therapist, and lead pastor joins Lecrae for one of the most wide-ranging, deeply personal episodes of The Deep End yet.

They go everywhere. From her unlikely journey starting as a math and physics major, to why she'd rather have a spiritually open Hollywood than a religiously closed church. From why anxiety is actually a scarcity mindset, to the moment she was told in her PhD program that she was "misusing the Bible." From a deep breakdown of why the five stages of grief were never designed for survivors, to what it actually looks like to heal when you have every tool and still hit the floor.

Dr. Anita doesn't just bring frameworks. She brings receipts from her own life.

This one goes deep.

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Some of what you've said about me is right. I want to say which parts, specifically.

When Reach Records partnered with Phillip Anthony Mitchell and 2819 Church, it cracked something open — years of assumptions, questions, and criticisms about Lecrae that people had been carrying quietly suddenly got loud. So instead of guessing what people were thinking, he asked. Voice memos. Real questions. No prepared statements.

In this episode, Lecrae listens and responds in real time — to the secular collab criticism, the Cross Movement distance, the Reformed theology departure, the Warnock rally confusion, the people who think his music got watered down, and the Christians who've been watching him for 23 years wondering which direction he's really headed.

He also speaks directly to the people who are done with church but still craving community — and to anyone who's ever felt like they just can't win on either side.

No PR answer. No saving face. Just an honest one.

Topics covered:

Why the 2819 partnership brought everything to the surface Secular collabs: missionary or compromiser? Why he stepped back from Reformed theology circles Cross Movement, the Ambassadors, and the bitterness he had to own Growing up in public without a roadmap "Die for the Party" and what it costs to be rebuked by the church Mental health stigma in the church For the 24-year-old stuck between the 9-to-5 and the dream A public apology — and what he'd do differently

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She grew up in one of the most famous families in American sports — and somehow didn't fully realize it until Deion's Hall of Fame weekend.

Deondra Sanders sits down with Lecrae to talk about growing up as Primetime's daughter, losing herself in a relationship, navigating a high-risk pregnancy, postpartum depression, a very public breakup, and what it actually looks like to rebuild when the whole world is watching.

She gets honest about the moment she got angry with God. About choosing to come back anyway.

Deondra Sanders is the eldest daughter of NFL Hall of Famer Deion Sanders. An entrepreneur, philanthropist, and athlete manager, she's built her own lane far from the spotlight — until life pulled her into the middle of it.

In this episode, Deondra and Lecrae cover:

Growing up as Deion's daughter and not realizing what that meant until she was 21 How a privileged childhood quietly killed her ambition Losing herself in a relationship — and having to forgive herself for it The pregnancy her family didn't take well, and why her dad surprised her Postpartum depression: what nobody tells you, and what it actually felt like The public fallout — what she wishes she'd done differently, and why she responded the way she did Getting angry at God for giving her the blessing she prayed for the wrong way Where she is now, and why she knows she's moving in the right direction

 

KB has been one of the most theologically sharp voices in Christian hip hop for over two decades. In this episode, he finally says what he's never said publicly — about his relationship with Lecrae, the tension inside 116, and the years it took to get to the other side of it.

This one goes deep.

IN THIS EPISODE:

How KB came to faith at 16 through a bootleg mixtape The Flavor Fest moment that connected KB and Lecrae for the first time What KB was carrying inside 116 that Lecrae didn't know about The counseling session KB needed before he could tour with Lecrae The South by Southwest text that nearly fractured the movement Why KB felt Lecrae was over-indexing his mainstream reach The tearful reconciliation — and what it took to get there KB on reformed theology, race, and navigating Black identity in evangelical spaces Why KB says the new generation of Christian artists is getting the victory without the cross Contentment as a superpower — and why suffering is how you get it KB's new album This Cannot Be Sold and what's next

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Two days before this conversation, Sarah Jakes Roberts fractured her neck in three places jumping on a trampoline with her daughter.

Touré Roberts still showed up.

In this episode, Touré sits down with Lecrae hours after learning his wife wouldn't need emergency surgery — still processing the fear, still breaking down twice a day, still on a book tour. What he shares is raw, unfiltered, and completely different from anything you've seen from him on a stage.

They go deep on what it's really like to build a life and a ministry with Sarah, how Bishop Jakes' famous first question changed everything, and what Touré's new book Knowing: The Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World has to say about finding clarity when everything around you is loud and uncertain.

Plus: the bullet that moved in his chest at 16, why he almost walked away from business to follow God, and the tension between being the man behind a rising force and knowing exactly who you are.
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Tim Ross has been canceled. Accused of being in the Illuminati. Called out online. Lost a business partnership he thought God ordained. Watched a spiritual father go to prison. And somehow, he's the most unbothered man in the room. In this episode, Lecrae sits down with his blood relative and the founder of The Basement podcast for one of the most honest conversations the show has ever had. From surviving sexual abuse in Inglewood to stepping down from a 30-year pastoral career, from processing Robert Morris to writing a book his therapist says is worth two years of counseling — Tim Ross holds nothing back.

Tim's upbringing in Inglewood and how Gen X shaped his entire worldview. The "stripper pastor" controversy explained in his own words. Why he believes Jesus on the cross is the ultimate strip. 30 years of ministry and why he left his congregation. Processing Robert Morris's confession as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. Why visiting a man in prison is not the same as excusing what he did. The B-Side record label, why it ended, and the lesson about money that isn't confirmation from God. His new book and why you won't finish it if you're not ready to face yourself. Why online Christian culture is off-mission. What the critics of the church actually get right.

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Avery Austin Jr. — known online as GodLogic — has 500K+ subscribers and streams apologetics debates live three times a week. He grew up as a preacher's kid in Lancaster, California. Got ordained at 20. Got stumped by a Jehovah's Witness at a community college. And decided the whole church needed to get equipped.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae plays TikTok devil's advocate — throwing Islam's best arguments, Hebrew Israelite talking points, and the problem of evil at GodLogic live. He answers every single one.

They also go deep on: what happens to the souls you never hear from again, the gap between intellectual certainty and real faith, and what GodLogic prays for after every stream.

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John Bevere spent 40 years avoiding the end times. He thought it made people lazy, argumentative, and passive. Then God told him to study it — and after 1,000+ hours in Scripture, everything changed.

In this episode of The Deep End with Lecrae, John unpacks what he found: the Second Coming isn't an event to fear. It's a wedding to prepare for. And there's a mathematical case — built entirely from Scripture — that it's closer than most people realize. John breaks down why Jesus rebuked Jerusalem for missing the signs of His first coming, how the Dead Sea Scrolls upend everything you thought you knew about the Rapture, and the one Greek word that transforms anxiety about the end times into something far more powerful: eager expectation. 

This isn't prophecy sensationalism. It's 40 years of wisdom finally unlocked — and it will change how you live today.

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DeVon Franklin is a Hollywood producer, preacher, and New York Times bestselling author. His credits include Miracles from Heaven, Breakthrough, Flamin' Hot, and The Pursuit of Happyness. He is the founder of DeVon Franklin Entertainment. His latest film, Ruth and Boaz, is streaming on Netflix now.

In this episode: DeVon's origin in East Oakland, how his father's death at nine years old became the fuel, what he told his congregation at 16, the Paramount deal collapse, the season with no deal after Flamin' Hot, burning the DeVon Franklin Universe pie chart, the Relationship Goals controversy and why he stands behind it, how life imitated art during Ruth and Boaz, the achievement addiction he finally broke, and an exclusive announcement on his next biblical film.

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Former Muslim, attorney, and apologist Abdu Murray spent nine years studying Islam, Christianity, philosophy, and history. By year two, he had enough evidence to convert. It took seven more years to act on it.

In this conversation, Abdu and Lecrae go deep on why the cross does not insult God's greatness. It proves it. They explore how identity in Middle Eastern culture can make leaving Islam feel impossible, which Quran passages pointed Abdu toward the Bible, and what his nine-year search looked like from the inside.

They also discuss the identity crisis AI is quietly accelerating, why cancel culture is really assassination culture with better branding, why many people are missing the point in the gender conversation, and what it means to answer a person instead of a question.

Abdu also shares, for the first time in this conversation, that his father was murdered in October 2024. What Abdu says about that moment, and how it reshaped the way Abdu sees the problem of evil, is worth the whole episode.

Topics covered: Islam and Christianity, the problem of evil, apologetics, identity and the imago Dei, AI and human worth, gender ideology, just war theory, deconstruction, and what it costs to tell the truth when your whole family is watching.

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Lecrae sits down with Michael Miller — co-host of Remnant Radio, church planter, and one of the most scripturally grounded voices in the deliverance space — to talk about what the Bible actually says about demons, healing, spiritual authority, and why the charismatic church keeps producing charlatans. No easy answers. No hype. Just a long, honest look at the stuff most pastors won't touch.

They get into: Michael's journey from a broken home with a Jewish mother and Mormon father to being discipled by Jack Deere. Why the cessationist argument doesn't hold up scripturally. What "demonization" actually means in Greek — and why "possession" is the wrong word. Whether Christians can have demons (spoiler: the early church didn't debate it). The Scottish border clan curse from 1525 that's still showing up in prayer sessions. How to tell a false prophet from a real one. Why prophecy is supposed to be local — and why the YouTube prophets keep getting it wrong. And Lecrae shares his own story: the name he kept praying over for weeks, the girl who couldn't walk, and what happened when he finally said it out loud.

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0:00 The First Demon He Ever Encountered

1:07 Introducing Michael Miller

4:42 A Jewish Mother, a Mormon Father, and a Hidden Bible

7:00 Why He Couldn't Handle the Pentecostal Packaging

8:25 Praying to Be Discipled by Jack Deere (And It Worked)

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11:30 Lecrae's Background: The Spooky Stuff Was Off Limits

13:56 Why Lecrae Started Digging Into the Supernatural

15:26 How Michael Got Grounded in Scripture on Spiritual Things

18:18 John Wimber Prayed for the Sick for Three Years With Nothing

20:03 The First Time Michael Actually Saw Something

23:10 The Night Before: He Was Frustrated With God

25:17 Who Believes in This and Who Doesn't

27:45 So When It Comes to Demons...

28:32 The Full Story: The Demon in South Africa

33:25 Why Did It Listen to You and Not Her?

38:07 Christian Authority Over Demons: It's Position, Not Gift

40:46 Can Christians Have Demons?

44:29 The Greek Word "Demonize" and Why It Changes Everything

46:56 What Tertullian Said (The Guy Who Invented the Word "Trinity")

49:25 The Scottish Border Clan Curse From 1525

54:09 What Makes a Curse Effective?

59:16 Why Michael Miller Is Not Afraid of Demons

1:01:48 The Woman in Austria: Endometriosis and What Happened Next

1:03:08 What Even Is a Demon? Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Where Things Get Weird

1:07:44 Lecrae Breaks Down His Charismatic Journey

1:09:13 How Do You Tell a False Prophet From a Real One?

1:11:22 The YouTube Prophets Are Getting It Wrong

1:16:13 Can the Charismatic Church Self-Correct?

1:18:38 What Do You Do If You Know the Gifts Are Real But Keep Seeing Abuse?

1:20:39 Make Prophecy Local Again: The Story of Sally

1:23:36 Lecrae's Own Story: The Name He Kept Hearing

1:28:32 Specific Prayers, Legal Rights, and When You Have to Name the Thing

1:33:24 The Woman in Denmark Who Was Living in Sin (And Didn't Know It)

1:37:18 Can Regular Friends Pray for Your Deliverance?

1:38:27 Where to Find Michael Miller

 

For three seasons, people have been asking the same question: what does Lecrae's wife actually think about all of this?

She said no every time. Until now.

Darragh Moore has been behind the scenes since before the music, before the Grammys, before any of it. She engineered his first album, supported him through clinical depression, sent him to the BET Cipher while she was in labor, and kept the family grounded while the world got louder. She's never needed the spotlight, and that's exactly why this conversation matters.

This is the episode Lecrae's audience has been waiting three seasons for.

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In this episode Lecrae goes deep on the Iran conflict from a spiritual lens nobody else is using. Not political. Not partisan. Just honest wrestling from a believer trying to figure out what it means to follow Jesus in a world that's always at war.

He breaks down the four frameworks Christians use to think about war, pacifism, just war, Christian nationalism, and peacemaking, and applies each one to what's happening right now. He reacts to the military commanders calling this a holy war, the Crusades parallel nobody wants to talk about, the White House TikTok that made him emotional, and the fact that the fastest growing church in the world is in the country we're bombing.

This isn't a news episode. It's a soul check.

Topics covered: Christian ethics of war, just war theory, pacifism, Christian nationalism, Pete Hegseth, end times theology, Ezekiel 38-39, the Iranian underground church, Russell Moore, Wendell Berry, what war does to the people watching it, kingdom over nation.

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Can demons read your minds? Do they possess people outright, or is it something more subtle? And what does any of this have to do with the Epstein files?

In Part 2 of this conversation, Lecrae and Dr. Joel Muddamalle go deeper into the unseen world, breaking down how demonic powers actually operate, what "entry points" really mean, and why the line between oppression and possession is less clear-cut than most Christians assume.

They also unpack Psalm 121, the geopolitical theology of Daniel 10, and why Paul's language for "powers and principalities" connects directly to the false gods of the Old Testament.

Plus, the underwater question you didn't see coming: outside of infidelity, is divorce ever justified?

Dr. Joel Muddamalle is the Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and the author of The Unseen Battle.

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What if Genesis is way bigger than you were taught?

Not just Adam, Eve, and a talking snake — but fallen angels, half-human giants, divine councils, and a cosmic war that's still happening right now.

Dr. Joel Muddamalle (PhD, theologian, bestselling author of The Unseen Battle) sits down with Lecrae to break down what most Christians were never taught about Genesis 6, the Nephilim, the sons of God, the Book of Enoch, and why the ancient world understood the Bible in ways that would completely blow your modern mind.

This is Part 1. Part 2 gets into demons and their real-world impact.

In this episode:

Why Genesis has 3 "falls", not just one Who the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 actually were The Nephilim: what they were, what happened to them, and whether remnants survived the flood The Divine Council worldview and the scholarship of Dr. Michael Heizer The Book of Enoch: what it is, why it matters, and why it's not in your Bible The Tower of Babel and where the gods of the nations came from Why the earliest church held views your pastor probably never mentioned The cosmic spiritual war behind the division you see in the world today

Dr. Joel Muddamalle is a PhD theologian, bestselling author, Director of Theology & Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries, co-host of Therapy & Theology, and a preaching team member at Transformation Church with Pastor Derwin Gray. His book The Unseen Battle is his doctoral dissertation turned into a resource for everyday believers.

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Terry and Rebecca Crews have been in the public eye for decades, but what they share in this episode is nothing like what you see on screen. They sit down to talk about 36 years of marriage, the addiction that almost ended it, what it took to stay, and why they chose to go public when most people would have gone quiet. Terry opens up about disclosure, treatment, and learning to feel things he spent a lifetime burying. Rebecca talks about what grace actually costs. Together they make the case that the hardest seasons of your life might be the foundation of everything that comes next. One of the most honest conversations we have had on this show.

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Joshua Broome grew up in a small South Carolina town of 3,000 people, the son of two 15-year-olds who never dated, and watched his father through a restaurant window for years without ever hearing his voice. That father wound sent him chasing significance all the way to Hollywood, where he became one of the most prominent adult film stars in the industry under the name Raquel Reed, appearing in over a thousand films.

But behind the fame was a man quietly unraveling. In this raw and unflinching conversation with Lecrae, Joshua pulls back the curtain on what the adult film industry actually looks like from the inside, the suicidal ideation that nearly ended his life, a sexual assault in Paris he never told anyone about, and the moment a bank teller said his real name for the first time in 18 months and changed everything.

Now a pastor, husband, and father, Joshua talks about what healing actually looks like after trauma, why porn has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with intimacy, and how a woman named Hope and a heavenly Father gave him back his identity. This one goes deep. Don't say we didn't warn you!

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Chapter Markers

0:00 - Cold Open

1:17 - Introducing Joshua Broome

3:06 - Growing Up Fatherless

8:03 - First Exposure to Porn & the Spiral Begins

14:44 - Chasing Fame in Hollywood

21:26 - How He Got Recruited Into the Adult Film Industry

28:47 - The Reality on Set

40:08 - When Reality Started Breaking Through

43:30 - 47 Friends Dead: The Industry's Hidden Toll

45:16 - The Night in Paris & Suicidal Ideation

51:47 - The Bank Teller Who Said His Real Name

55:39 - Hearing the Gospel for the First Time

58:46 - The Real Work of Healing

1:00:21 - Marriage, Hope & Fighting the Lies

1:10:22 - The Depth of Confession

1:13:14 - What People Don't Know About the Adult Film Industry

1:19:10 - Becoming a Father & Forgiving His Own Dad

1:24:53 - Miscarriage, New Life & Choosing Hope Over Fear

1:27:28 - Closing: Tell Somebody

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What does it actually mean to be faithful to Jesus — not just culturally Christian, but genuinely biblical? In this episode of The Deep End, we go deep with Dr. Preston Sprinkle, biblical scholar, author, podcaster, and co-founder of the Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender.

Preston shares how a rigorous study of Scripture led him to unexpected conclusions on two of the most emotionally charged debates in the church today: women in leadership and LGBTQ+ sexuality. We talk about his new book From Genesis to Junior — an honest, real-time exegetical journey through what the Bible actually says about women and church leadership — and why he didn't know where he'd land before he started writing it.

We also get into the nuance behind yes-or-no culture, why "homosexuality is sin" isn't as simple a question as it sounds, the 83% statistic about LGBT people raised in the church, and what pastoral compassion actually looks like when someone asks "Did God make me gay?"

This is a conversation about truth AND grace — not one or the other.

Topics covered:

What faithfulness to Jesus really looks like The debate over women in church leadership (complementarian vs. egalitarian) Primogeniture, Genesis 1–3, and what Adam's creation order actually means Same-sex attraction, celibacy, and navigating hard pastoral questions Why Preston refuses to give thin answers to thick questions The danger of cultural Christianity and sound-bite theolog

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I'm excited for this one, fam. Today on The Deep End, I'm sitting down with my brother Country Wayne. Most of the world knows him for the billions of streams, the Netflix specials, and the viral skits that make your "mama's mama" laugh. But when you really look at his history, you see a story that's way deeper and more serious than the comedy he puts out.

We're talking about a man who lost his mom at 11, grew up surrounded by the drug game in Milan, Georgia, and eventually became a "doughboy" himself. But even when he was in the middle of all that, he never let what he was doing shake his faith in who he was.

What We Dive Into: The Exit Strategy: Wayne talks about how he was trying to get out of the streets the entire time he was in them, eventually picking up a Bible at age 24 and reading it from the beginning. The Narrow Escape: He shares the wild reality of going viral while still "selling licks" and how he finally quit the game just one day before the feds knocked on his door. Faith Over Fame: Why he isn't ashamed to scream the name of Jesus and why he feels he's "endorsed" by God rather than the industry. Real Success: How he manages being a father of 10 and why he puts his business and family's well-being over the hollow parts of fame. Regrets and Redemption: A transparent look at his biggest regret—not doing what he was supposed to be doing sooner—and how losing his mother taught him that nothing in this world is truly "real" except faith.

"I just laugh through the fire... I knew I had a purpose and I just knew it was always tied to God."

Wayne is a true innovator and a serial entrepreneur who used the skills he learned in the streets to build a kingdom-minded empire. This conversation isn't just about comedy; it's about the grit, wisdom, and divine timing it takes to change your life.

Watch the full episode now to see how Wayne turned a mess into a masterpiece.

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In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with world-renowned Bible teacher, author, and activist Christine Caine. Christine opens up about her powerful journey from being an "unnamed" child in Australia to leading a global movement against human trafficking.

She dives deep into the reality of childhood trauma, the shocking discovery of her adoption at age 33, and how she learned to "rewire" her brain through the Word of God. Whether you are struggling with a "mother wound," navigating disappointment in church leadership, or feeling like you're in your own "Hell Week," this conversation offers a roadmap for moving from survival to a life of true, supernatural flourishing.

In this episode, we discuss:

How to handle the "pain of recovery" after a life-altering injury or trauma.

The difference between a "well-managed life" and a supernatural one.

Why your history does not define your destiny.

Practical wisdom for the next generation of leaders in a social media-driven world.

Why the most fruitful decade of your life might still be ahead of you.

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CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Introduction to Christine Caine

02:38 History of Trauma and Resilience

03:33 Growing Up in a Greek Immigrant Home

05:15 The Discovery of Adoption

08:11 Unnamed Number 2508: A Crisis of Identity

09:23 Renewing the Mind through Scripture

11:48 From Numbers to People: The Mission of A21

13:35 Seeking the Biological Mother

15:16 "I Don't Want Any Trouble": A Mother's Voice

19:23 The Pain of Recovery vs. The Pain of Injury

21:42 Breaking Cultural and Family Expectations

27:29 Marriage and Shared Purpose with Nick Caine

34:51 The Wheel and the Oil: Balancing Life

37:17 Avoiding a Well-Managed Life without God

40:51 Having the Faith to Flourish

44:56 Justice Work and the Hope of Christ

52:43 Hell Week: The Choice to Keep Running

57:21 The Danger of Tapping Out at 60

59:42 Navigating Church Failure and Disappointment

01:03:57 Responding Out of Wisdom, Not Wounding

01:14:36 Advice for the Social Media Generation

01:17:03 Deep End Questions: Misconceptions and Prisons

01:23:24 Preparing for the Most Fruitful Decade

01:27:54 Legacy and Handing Over the Baton of Faith

01:31:53 Resources to Help Fight Human Trafficking

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What does it really take to survive marriage, ministry, fame, mental health battles, and faith... all at the same time? In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with gospel icons, actors, and comedians David Mann and Tamela Mann for one of the most raw and honest conversations we've ever had. They open up about their nearly 40-year marriage, childhood trauma, poverty, blended family challenges, public scrutiny, depression, suicidal thoughts, and the faith that held them together when everything else was falling apart. From dumpster-diving as teenagers to standing ovations with Tyler Perry, from silent suffering to healing through therapy and prayer. This is survival, grace, repentance, forgiveness, and love that refuses to quit.

If you've ever wondered:

– How strong marriages are actually built

– What faith looks like in depression, not just success

– How to support a spouse who is drowning silently

– Why therapy and prayer are not enemies

– Or how God redeems the most painful chapters

This conversation is for you.

 

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Chapter Markers

00:00 – When success hides silent suffering

 

01:25 – Introducing David & Tamela Mann

 

03:59 – Authentic faith vs. church perfection

 

05:25 – How their friendship turned into marriage

 

07:58 – Singing together before fame

 

10:27 – Realizing adulthood and responsibility

 

14:23 – Falling in love through friendship

 

16:31 – Childhood trauma and broken homes

 

17:50 – Dumpster diving and survival

 

18:53 – Witnessing abuse and learning anger

 

21:03 – Choosing marriage when divorce felt easier

 

23:13 – The night the lights were shut off

 

26:24 – "The knock at the door" — discovering another child

 

30:02 – Choosing unity over jealousy

 

33:39 – Feeling alone inside marriage

 

37:08 – From Kirk Franklin to Tyler Perry

 

42:36 – When the worst career moment became the best

 

46:26 – Fame, generosity, and trauma behind the scenes

 

49:16 – Working together as husband and wife

 

55:03 – Depression, shame, and suicidal thoughts

 

58:11 – "Thousands watched me drown"

 

59:00 – A wife realizing she missed the warning signs

 

01:01:37 – Therapy, boundaries, and healing

 

01:04:29 – Faith that carries you through the night

 

01:06:19 – Music, success, and staying grounded

 

01:10:48 – Marriage as shared light, not competition

 

01:14:09 – What's next for David & Tamela

 

01:16:21 – Final words of hope and grace

 

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In this special episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with two of his closest friends and longtime collaborators — Trip Lee and Tedashii — for an honest, funny, and deeply reflective conversation about faith, friendship, calling, and the wild journey that brought them here.

They rewind the tape on the early days of 116, talk about what it was really like building something that would later shape an entire movement, and reflect on what they didn't understand at the time — about leadership, influence, pressure, and God's timing.

Along the way, they unpack:

How none of this was part of a master plan — and why that matters The tension between calling and control What leadership looks like when you don't actually want to be "the leader" How God used imperfect people, imperfect theology, and imperfect moments to do something lasting Why the impact often becomes clear only in the rearview mirror

There are serious moments. There are nostalgic moments. There are hilarious stories (including tour chaos, bad pranks, and arguments that started because everyone was tired and hungry). But underneath it all is a deeper question:

What does it look like to stay faithful over decades — not just seasons?

This episode isn't just about music. It's about friendship that lasts, calling that matures, and a faith that grows deeper as it gets tested by real life.

Whether you've followed these guys since the early 116 days or you're meeting them for the first time, this conversation is a reminder that God rarely writes straight lines — but He does write meaningful stories.

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DC Young Fly opens up like never before.

In this conversation, he speaks honestly about losing his wife, navigating grief, and what it means to stay obedient to God when life doesn't make sense. This isn't about fame, comedy, or success—it's about weakness, discipline, faith, and learning how to respond when everything changes.

DC shares why he leans on God, how obedience has kept him from crashing out, and why mastering your response matters more than trying to control the outcome.

This is a raw, vulnerable look at loss, love, and faith in the middle of pain.

Let's go to the Deep End!

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I'm sure you've never heard a story like this. Brenda Palmer doesn't do "church talk." She does honesty.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with Brenda Palmer for a deep conversation on what it actually looks like to follow Jesus.

We talk about:

When her pastor had a affair… (with her boyfriend) Singleness as "undivided" devotion—without treating marriage like the finish line Staying pure The Greek life / "denouncing" conversation, deliverance language, and where conviction ends and fear-mongeing begins What Brenda's building next

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Lecrae goes fully unfiltered in this episode—breaking down the AI-Christian music debate, the motives behind viral posts, political fatigue, Christian persecution, racialized narratives, and the cost of actually following Jesus when culture co-opts faith for its own agenda.

From Forrest Frank's comments… to AI artists… to Epstein files… to Nigeria… to Chicago crime narratives… to why Christianity keeps getting used as a weapon… to Kai Cenat publicly praising Jesus—Lecrae processes it all in real time. No script. No PR filter. Just raw, honest reflection on a chaotic week online.

If you've ever wondered "How should a Christian think about all this?"—this episode goes there.

Let's go to the Deep End!

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This one got real. Toni Collier came on The Deep End and opened up about her story in a way that honestly stunned me. We talked childhood trauma, addiction, abusive marriages, infidelity, church hurt, losing everything, rebuilding from nothing, and how Jesus met her in the ashes.

She let us into the parts most people hide… the parts she had to grieve her way through while still being a mom, still trying to follow Jesus, still trying to breathe. And what I love is that she didn't come here pretending. She came here healing.

If you've walked through betrayal, divorce, heartbreak, or just feel like you're carrying more than you can hold.

Toni's new book Don't Try This Alone is all about why we need people, and after this episode… you'll get why.

Lean in. There's real hope in here.

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In this episode, Lecrae sits down with the one-and-only KevOnStage for a raw, hilarious, surprisingly vulnerable conversation about fame, faith, Hollywood, fatherhood, grief, marriage, ambition, and what it means to stay grounded when the whole world has an opinion about your life.

Kev opens up about the early days of his career, why contentment matters more than clout, the pressure of being a public Christian on the internet, and how he learned to stop defending himself to strangers. He talks navigating Hollywood without losing his convictions, dealing with public grief, raising kids while staying sane, and why laughter has become a form of healing after losing his brother.

They unpack the Den of Kings tension with NLE Choppa and Jonathan Majors, the viral Ray J back-smack moment, growing up churchy with no real guidance, and why so many Christians privately break the rules they publicly preach. Kev also shares behind-the-scenes of Churchy, his new show Safe Space, and how marriage, purpose, and heartbreak have shaped the art he makes today.

If you love honest conversation, cultural insight, deep faith reflections, or you just want to laugh until you cry…this one is special.

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Tim Timberlake sat down with Lecrae for one of the most honest conversations we've ever had on The Deep End. From church scandals and false prophets to what real prayer looks like—this episode goes there.

Tim opens up about the dream that changed his life, how he discovered corruption in the church he inherited, and what it really means to lead with integrity when everyone's watching. They dive into the rise of "TikTok prophets," why so many Christians confuse content for calling, and how to actually hear God's voice in a noisy world.

If you've ever been burned by church, confused by the chaos online, or just need a reminder that God still speaks—this one's for you.

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If my son or daughter came to me and said, "Dad, I'm thinking about joining a fraternity or sorority," I'd probably say no, but not for the reasons you think.

In this episode, I share my own story of pledging Kappa Alpha Psi, why I joined, why I left, and how my perspective has changed over the years. I've seen people go back and forth for decades about whether Christians should denounce Black Greek life. Some call it idolatry; others call it community. I've lived both sides of it.

We talk about the real history behind these organizations, why fear often drives the conversation, and what the Bible actually says about things like oaths, culture, and conscience. This isn't about picking sides, it's about being consistent and letting your faith lead your decisions instead of fear.

Whether you've pledged, denounced, or just don't get the hype, I think this will give you something to think about.

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Apologist and evangelist Preston Perry joins Lecrae on The Deep End for a raw and thoughtful conversation about defending the faith without losing compassion. From debating Hebrew Israelites and Muslims to raising kids in a spiritual war, Preston breaks down why winning arguments isn't the same as winning souls — and how empathy, truth, and obedience work together in evangelism.

They dive deep into:

The difference between apologetics and argument How to spot the line between boldness and pride Reaching people who've been hurt by religion What Christians get wrong about empathy The truth about Hebrew Israelites, Islam, and false religions Breaking generational curses and fatherhood in a dark world The controversy around Charlie Kirk, race, and idolatry in the church

If you've ever wondered how to stand firm in truth while still leading with love — this episode will challenge and encourage you to do both.

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Dr. Tony Evans sits down with Lecrae for one of his most powerful and personal interviews yet. From growing up in Baltimore to becoming one of the most influential pastors of our time, Dr. Evans opens up about his father's radical transformation, his journey as one of the first Black students at Dallas Theological Seminary, and how he built Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship.

They dive deep into the tensions of race, theology, and unity in the church, the hidden cost of leading a megachurch, raising godly kids in the public eye, and what spiritual warfare really looks like behind the scenes. Dr. Evans also shares how he navigated profound grief and loss, what it means to trust God in the dark, and the legacy he hopes to leave behind.

This conversation is a masterclass in faith, leadership, and resilience — with timeless wisdom for anyone navigating pain, calling, or cultural chaos.

Watch this episode to hear:

– How Tony Evans' father's conversion changed their family forever

– What it was like being one of the first Black seminarians in Dallas

– The hidden spiritual battles behind leadership and ministry

– How to raise a godly family in a glass house

– Why unity in the church reveals the glory of God

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Former Pussycat Doll, Kaya Jones, opens up to Lecrae about the dark side of fame, the spiritual war behind the music industry, and how Jesus redeemed her life.

From being signed by R. Kelly at 12 years old to witnessing the deepest corruption in pop culture, Kaya reveals what really happens behind the stage lights - and how God rescued her from the darkness. She shares the pain of industry abuse, abortion, and manipulation, and the supernatural ways God called her out of it all.

In this powerful conversation, Lecrae and Kaya talk about:

The demonic systems running the entertainment industry Finding identity and freedom through Christ Why she left the Pussycat Dolls at their peak How Messianic Judaism reshaped her faith What it means to live fully redeemed in a broken culture

This episode exposes what many are afraid to say — but also points to the hope that never dies: Jesus still redeems the most unlikely stories.

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In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae wrestles with the chaos of our modern culture wars. From the fallout of Charlie Kirk's assassination to the pressure Christians feel to "pick a side," he shares his personal experience of being pulled into the crossfire. Lecrae opens up about a shocking vision he had in Africa, the spiritual realities behind political violence, and why the Kingdom of God cannot be reduced to red vs. blue.

This conversation challenges us to ask: Are we fighting with the weapons of the empire, or living out the way of Jesus?

📌 Topics we cover:

Why Christians are pressured to join the culture war Lecrae's personal story after Charlie Kirk's death A powerful vision revealing the spiritual battle behind political violence Empire vs. Kingdom logic: what Jesus modelled in the midst of conflict How the church can embody unity, truth, and love in divided times

The Kingdom doesn't look like the left or the right — it looks like Christ.

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Bryce Crawford went from battling crippling depression and planning to end his life… to becoming one of GenZ's boldest voices for Jesus. At just 21, he's already sharing the gospel at Burning Man, on the streets, and online with millions of viewers.

In this powerful conversation with Lecrae, Bryce opens up about:

His near-suicide moment on Christmas Day and the unexpected encounter that changed everything How Jesus freed him from anxiety and depression The heart behind his street evangelism and why he talks to people others avoid Gen Z's hunger for spirituality—and the dangers of treating Christianity as just a "vibe" Mental health, therapy, and the balance between supernatural healing and practical wisdom Navigating digital influence, criticism, and leading with integrity at a young age

This episode is raw, encouraging, and a reminder that God can use anyone—at any age—to shake up the world.

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The assassination of Charlie Kirk has left the nation in shock — and raised hard questions for The Church. Some see him as a hero of the faith, while others struggle with his polarizing legacy.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with Justin Giboney and Corey Ruth to reflect on what happened, how Christians should respond in moments of tragedy, and what this means for the future of faith and politics in America.

This is an honest, thoughtful conversation about grief, unity, and the dangers of division.

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B. Simone joins Lecrae LIVE at Woman Evolve 2025 for one of the most real and unfiltered conversations yet on The Deep End Podcast. From going viral on Instagram and starring on Wild 'N Out to building a billion-dollar app for women, B. Simone opens up about her faith journey, her battles with identity, and how surrendering to God completely changed her life.

In this powerful conversation, they talk about:

✨ How B. Simone went from chasing fame to chasing purpose in Christ

✨ The conviction that led her to walk away from big opportunities

✨ Why validation and social media couldn't satisfy her

✨ Building resilience through failure and grace

✨ The freedom that comes when you let God redefine your platform

If you've ever wrestled with identity, purpose, or public criticism, this episode will encourage you to keep getting back up and trusting God's process.

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Beth Moore sits down with Lecrae on The Deep End Podcast for a raw and powerful conversation about faith, suffering, courage, and the cost of conviction. From her early years teaching Bible studies to leaving the Southern Baptist Convention, Beth opens up about abuse, submission, women in ministry, and why she could no longer stay silent about politics and power in the church.

In this episode, Beth shares how she stayed anchored in Jesus through controversy, how her marriage survived trauma and trials, and how she's finding new belonging in the Anglican church. This is a conversation about faithfulness in the wilderness, the danger of marrying church and empire, and the unshakable hope we have in Christ.

If you've ever wrestled with doubt, tradition, or feeling unwanted by the church—you're not alone. Beth Moore's story is a reminder that following Jesus sometimes means standing against the tide.

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Erwin McManus has been called a heretic, a cultural architect, and one of the most misunderstood pastors in America. In this raw and unfiltered conversation with Lecrae, Erwin shares his story—from immigrating from El Salvador and growing up in a broken home, to searching through philosophy and world religions, to finally encountering Jesus in a way that changed everything.

They dive into the tension of being an outsider in the church, why Erwin believes Christianity must reclaim its creativity and imagination, and how his "Seven Frequencies" framework reveals the way people truly communicate. Erwin also opens up about death threats that pushed him out of publishing for years, the immigrant realities shaping his perspective on politics, and why today's heresy often becomes tomorrow's orthodoxy.

This episode is about nuance, faith, culture, and what it means to pioneer a new way of following Jesus in a world of conformity.

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Ross Johnston's story is anything but ordinary. Conceived through artificial insemination and raised by two moms, Ross grew up far from church and never expected to follow Jesus. But at 15, one simple invitation changed everything.

In this conversation with Lecrae, Ross opens up about navigating faith, identity, and family tension—while still loving and honoring his mom. They discuss the cultural shift in the LGBTQ community, the biblical call to truth and love, and what it means to find your identity in Christ alone.

From street preaching in Hollywood to leading revivals nationwide, Ross shares powerful testimonies of transformation and freedom, and why he believes the presence of God—not just arguments—changes lives.

If you've wrestled with how to love people well without compromising your convictions, this conversation is a must-watch.

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