What did Susie, Sean's girlfriend at the time of Marlyne Johnson's murder, tell detectives? Was a $10,000 stash of cash ever found in the Johnsons' home? Did Sophia have an alibi?

These are just a few of the many questions listeners sent to the Beyond All Repair team. In this follow-up episode, Amory is joined by Beyond All Repair producer Sofie Kodner to answer these questions and more about the case, the story, and the making of the series.

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Amory talks to Shane about the 2010 report, along with the detective who wrote it and Rick Buckner, the lead detective on Sophia?s case 20 years ago.

She explores what can legally happen from here, both with regards to Marlyne Johnson?s homicide case and with Sophia herself.

Amory finally confronts Sophia about the 2010 report, and comes to a conclusion about the case.

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After Sean?s conversation with Amory, he and his younger brother, Shane, talk to each other for the first time in two decades. Shane is open to hearing his brother out, until Sean denies a painful memory from their childhood.

Their father, who has always defended Sean, starts sending aggressive voice messages to Sophia and Shane. Meanwhile, Amory has even more questions for Sophia just as Shane is coming to his own conclusion that she did not commit the murder.

But shortly thereafter, Amory receives a report of an interview Sophia did with detectives in 2010 that tells yet another story of the day of Marlyne?s murder. Amory is left shaken and wondering if she actually has been talking to a murderer all this time.

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After disappearing before he was supposed to testify in Sophia's second trial, Sean reappears in Guyana under the name Anthony Snow.

He has since launched various ventures, including a short-lived campaign for president of Guyana in 2011, a land development business that?s been the source of allegations of fraud, and a robust social media presence.

Sophia and Sean hadn?t seen each other or spoken in 17 years when he video-called her in early 2023 upon hearing that she?s been talking to a reporter.

Months after this call, Amory talks to Sean herself. He offers up a new detail about the day of Marlyne Johnson?s murder.

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Amory meets Sophia in person for the first time with a sense of uneasiness.

While in jail awaiting her second trial in 2005, Sophia made a friend who convinced her to testify in her own defense. Today, this friend, Morgen, is Sophia?s life partner.

After getting ahold of the footage of Sophia?s second trial, Morgen and Amory discover that Sophia told a different story about the day of the murder on the stand ? one that puts her at the scene.

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The jury has reached a verdict: Sophia is found guilty of first-degree murder.

At sentencing, Sophia hears victim impact statements, including one delivered by the woman raising her son.

She is sentenced to 43 years in prison, and just as she?s settling into that fate, she gets a call from her lawyer saying that she?s won the right to a new trial.

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The prosecution in Sophia?s trial claims greed was her motive for killing Marlyne. Shortly after Sophia and Brad Johnson started dating, Sophia began stealing money from her employer.

Sophia explains how the theft started and quickly spiraled out of control.

By the time of the murder, Sophia was tens of thousands of dollars in debt, with a baby on the way. Was she desperate enough to commit murder?

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Amory meets Lyn Page and Linda Dillard, friends of Marlyne Johnson and her husband Richard, who share more about the Johnson family.

Richard struggled with alcohol abuse and gambled, and Marlyne had started saving money in case she needed to leave him. 

Richard eventually agrees to talk to Amory and shares memories of his wife and the day she was killed.

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Sean Correia's credibility is called into question as Sophia Johnson and Shane Correia tell Amory about his role in their upbringing. Amory learns how these three siblings ended up in Washington state after being raised in New York, and how Sophia became estranged from Shane and their mother, with whom she?d been incredibly close.

Sophia finds a new family in the Johnsons ? Brad, her husband, and Marlyne and Richard Johnson, Brad?s parents.

At the time of the murder, Sophia is newly wedded to Brad and six months pregnant. Marlyne is supposed to go over to Sophia?s house for lunch that day. She doesn?t show, leading Sophia and Brad to check on her, and, ultimately, to her lifeless, nearly unrecognizable body.

Sophia denies murdering Marlyne, but suspects Sean?s involvement.

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Amory learns more about Marlyne Johnson, Sophia Johnson?s late mother-in-law, and her murder is explored through footage of Sophia?s 2003 trial.

Clark County Detective Rick Buckner and his team narrowed the field of suspects to siblings Sophia and Sean Correia (Shane Correia's older brother and sister).

Sean testified during Sophia?s 2003 murder trial that he saw his sister standing over Marlyne?s body, holding fireplace tongs.

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Reporter Amory Sivertson has reopened a box that some members of the Correia family were hoping would stay shut forever.

Amory first met the youngest Correia, Shane, in 2017 while interviewing him about his experience with homelessness. But there is another dark chapter of Shane's life: his older sister being accused of murdering her mother-in-law in 2002, when he was 13 years old.

Now Shane wants to know, did his sister commit this brutal the crime?

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Imagine if, one day, you are accused of something. Something horrible, violent, heinous. Something you swear you did not do, and nothing you say can convince anyone otherwise ? even the people closest to you.

That?s Sophia Johnson?s story.

Sophia was starting fresh: A new life, a new husband, a baby on the way. But it all unraveled on January 10, 2002, when her mother-in-law Marlyne Johnson was found bludgeoned to death in her home. Days later, Sophia was charged with the murder.

To this day, Sophia swears she didn?t do it. But someone says they witnessed it ? her own brother.

When family betrays family, who do you believe? In this story of a sibling rivalry beyond compare, WBUR?s Amory Sivertson turns the clock back. She reexamines an unsolved case, a family torn apart, and a woman who wasn?t believed.

From WBUR and ZSP Media, Beyond All Repair is a 10-part true crime investigation into a cold case. The series ends with an answer.

The first two episodes of Beyond All Repair will drop on March 7, 2024. Listen and follow Beyond All Repair on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music and wherever you get your podcasts.

Listener note: This show has descriptions of violence and strong language.

If you loved Violation, host Beth Schwartzapfel has a new recommendation for you.

Hosted by Beth's esteemed colleague, Amory Sivertson, Beyond All Repair is a new murder mystery podcast from WBUR & ZSP Media ? launching March 7, right here in this feed.

Part eight of Violation explores what time means behind bars. And listeners respond to the question: Did Jake get what he deserves?

An update on what's next for Violation...and a new investigation from WBUR.

This ?Violation? update brings listeners the latest news in Jacob Wideman?s case, including his reaction to a ruling that leaves him few paths to freedom.

In August, lawyers representing Jacob Wideman argued before a judge in Arizona that state officials treated him in a ?constitutionally impermissible? way when they revoked his parole more than six years ago.

Lawyers for the parole board and the state corrections department said Wideman was trying to avoid following directions and therefore could not be trusted to be free. In this update, we fill you in on the hearing and how it could set the stage for further legal action in Wideman?s case.

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Two months after Jacob Wideman was arrested at work and brought back to prison ? for failing to make an appointment with a psychologist on a particular day, as directed by his parole officer ? he faced the Arizona parole board again.

The board had to make a formal finding: Did Jake violate the conditions of his parole by not making that appointment? And, if so, should he stay in prison or be returned to the community?

Parole revocation hearings tend to be routine affairs. But, as this episode shows, Jake?s hearing was far from routine.

Ultimately, the parole board voted to keep Jake in prison, where he remains, possibly for life.

In the final episode of Violation, we discuss what happens now and what Jake?s legal options are. And we return to thorny dilemmas about the criminal justice system: When someone commits a terrible crime, as Jake did, is there anything they can do to prove they deserve to be free again? How does the parole system help us determine what justice should be in any given case ? and does it make us more safe?

We also return to the question of why Jake killed Eric Kane in 1986. There?s one last piece of the puzzle that might bring a little more clarity, and Jake tries to explain it in his own words.

Six months after Jacob Wideman was released from prison on home arrest, he appeared before the parole board for a routine check-in hearing. His parole officer told the board that Jake was doing well: Jake?s employers and therapists gave him positive reviews, as did the director at his halfway house and the landlord at his apartment complex.

But other people were coming to a different conclusion.

About a week before the hearing, Jake?s parole officer had told him that he had received complaints that Jake had committed numerous violations of the terms of his parole ? violations that, if he had committed them, could cost him his freedom.

The officer also told him something that startled him: A private investigator could be watching him.

?It brought home to me the people who didn't want me to be out were keeping an exceptionally close eye on me, and that, you know, they were willing to go to some pretty drastic lengths to try to find ways to get me put back in prison,? Jake said later in an interview from prison.

Soon after that routine check-in hearing before the parole board, Jake was re-arrested.

In Part 6 of "Violation," we hear interviews and testimony from Jake, his attorneys, parole officials and others as we piece together the events leading up to the parole violation that sent Jake behind bars again ? possibly for life.

In 2016, after 30 years behind bars and seven hearings in front of the Arizona parole board, Jacob Wideman was released from prison.

Being on parole is a strange hybrid between prison and freedom. You?re still technically serving your sentence, but in the community. When Jake first got out, he was on home arrest, a strict version of parole. He had to wear an ankle monitor so the state could track his whereabouts, and he couldn?t leave his house without permission.

Jake also had to follow more than two dozen separate parole conditions, among them: no driving; no contact with minors, no drinking alcohol. Not following any one of the rules could land him back in prison on a moment?s notice. And the vague catchall condition, ?I will follow all directives I am given, either verbal or written.?

This last one would come back to haunt him.

On any given day, a quarter of incarcerated people nationwide are there for breaking the rules of their parole or probation. These behaviors are called technical violations and can include things like moving to a new apartment without permission or failing to attend a drug treatment program.

You may have heard the term ?mass incarceration? ? this idea that the U.S. locks up more people than any country in the world. But lately, scholars and activists have also been talking about ?mass supervision.? There are almost two million people in U.S. prisons, but there are almost four million people on probation or parole.

In Part 5 of "Violation," we examine what life is like for the millions of people on parole in the U.S., and describe what happened when Jacob Wideman was on parole. Jake didn?t know it when he was first released, but his freedom would only last nine months ? and there were people on the outside working to put him back inside.

How do you build a meaningful life in prison, knowing you might never be free? What if whether you might one day be free hinges on your ability to build a meaningful life in prison? In Part 4 of ?Violation," we follow Jacob Wideman?s decades-long journey through the Arizona prison system and hear how he prepared to tell his life story to the parole board.

Two years after he murdered Eric Kane, Jake was transferred from county jail to the Arizona Department of Corrections to begin serving a life sentence. At 18 years old, he was thrust into a world where the only way to feel safe was through physical aggression and bravado. He had many years of practice pretending he wasn?t suffering from mental health struggles in his youth, but now, Jake had to push those struggles even further out of sight as he faced a series of challenges in prison, each more difficult than the last.

?Heart test? is prison shorthand for proving yourself when you first arrive in the facility ? standing up for yourself and not snitching to guards after you?ve been assaulted, for example. But the physical heart tests of Jake?s early years would give way to heart tests of a different kind: a slow and painful journey to identify and manage his mental health problems, and a search for love, even through prison bars. Eventually he would have to stitch all these experiences together to tell the parole board a compelling life story, in the hopes that they would one day find him worthy of release.

Imagine the worst day of your life, when you did the one thing you are most ashamed of. Now imagine having to convince a panel of strangers ? who suspect you might be lying ? how sorry you are. After years of preparing for this moment, you get only minutes to make your case. And the stakes couldn?t be higher: The rest of your life depends on whether or not the strangers believe you.

This is how people seeking parole often describe the experience. Daniel Medwed, a law professor at Northeastern University, describes parole hearings as ?a trap for the unwary,? where those who are mentally unprepared for the emotional complexities of the process can find themselves at a grave disadvantage.

Every year in the United States, tens of thousands of people appear before parole boards asking to be released from prison. These boards play an outsized role in the criminal justice system ? how much time someone actually spends in prison, or in some cases, whether they get out at all, is often decided not by a judge or jury, but by a parole board. And yet, few people understand how they work.

Part 3 of Violation examines parole boards, largely secretive institutions that operate in many states with few rules and little oversight. These panels are supposed to be independent, but often do their work under pressure from the politicians who appoint them. In the best of circumstances, parole board members are assigned a virtually impossible task: to predict what human beings they barely know are going to do in the future. And they have people?s lives and the public?s safety in their hands.

What happens at parole boards is a huge part of Jacob Wideman?s story, and his story tells us a lot about the parole system in America. After serving 25 years behind bars for killing his summer camp roommate, Eric Kane, Wideman went before a parole board in Arizona for the first time. Starting with his first hearing in 2011, he was denied parole over and over.

Except for one time.

Not long after Jacob Wideman murdered his summer camp roommate, Eric Kane, in 1986 ? seemingly with no motive ? a question emerged in the breathless news coverage of the tragedy: Was Jake a ?bad seed??

It was no accident that some reporters latched onto the phrase. After all, it was plucked straight from perhaps the most famous book written by Jake?s own father, acclaimed author John Edgar Wideman, about his family?s experience with violence, trauma and incarceration.

But John Wideman wasn?t writing about his son Jake when he used the phrase ?bad seed? in his seminal memoir, ?Brothers and Keepers.? The book was published in 1984, two years before Jake murdered Eric. Instead, John was writing about his own younger brother Robby, Jake?s uncle, who years earlier had participated in a robbery that went very wrong. A man died, and although Robby didn?t pull the trigger, he was sentenced to life in prison.

?The bad seed. The good seed. Mommy?s been saying for as long as I can remember: ?That Robby, he wakes up in the morning looking for the party,?? John Edgar Wideman writes in ?Brothers and Keepers? ? and reads aloud in this latest episode of ?Violation,? a podcast series from The Marshall Project and WBUR. This idea from John?s book, of going ?bad,? would be applied to Jake, too, although John was disdainful of the concept.

?Bad Seed,? Part Two of ?Violation,? tells the story of Jake?s Uncle Robby through interviews with John as well as with Jake, who remembers having epiphanies as a boy that he would somehow follow his uncle?s path. The episode also brings listeners through the harrowing weeks and months after the murder of Eric Kane, when Jake Wideman turned himself into authorities and began his long journey through the criminal justice system.

Ultimately, this episode asks: What should happen to kids like Jake?

Why did Jacob Wideman murder Eric Kane?

In 1986, the two 16-year-olds were rooming together on a summer camp trip to the Grand Canyon when Jacob fatally ? and inexplicably ? stabbed Eric.

That night, Jacob went on the run, absconding with the camp?s rented Oldsmobile and thousands of dollars in traveler?s checks. Before long, he turned himself in and eventually confessed to the killing ? although he couldn?t explain what drove him to do it.

It would take years of therapy and medical treatment behind bars before Jacob could begin to understand what was going through his mind that night. It would take even longer to try to explain it to his family, to his victim?s family and to parole board members, who would decide whether he deserved to be free ever again.

This debut episode of ?Violation,? a podcast from WBUR and The Marshall Project, introduces the story of the crime that has bound two families together for decades.

Jacob?s father, John Edgar Wideman, is an acclaimed author of many books on race, violence and criminal justice. He spoke with Violation host Beth Schwartzapfel in a rare, in-depth interview about his son?s case that listeners will hear throughout the series, including this premiere.

In 1986, while on a summer camp trip to the Grand Canyon, 16-year-old Jacob Wideman fatally stabbed his roommate, Eric Kane. Jacob confessed to the murder, but couldn?t explain why he did it.

The crime devastated both boys? families. For the Widemans, it was also a haunting echo from their family history.

Just two years earlier, Jacob?s father, acclaimed author John Edgar Wideman, had published "Brothers and Keepers," a memoir that grappled with how his brother, Jacob?s uncle Robby Wideman, was sentenced to life in prison for his role in a fatal robbery. How could another inexplicable crime happen twice in two generations?

Jacob served decades behind bars for killing Eric Kane. Then in 2016, an Arizona parole board granted him house arrest. Jacob?s release outraged his victim?s family.

It wasn?t long before Jacob was back before the board, fighting again for his freedom.

Violation, a new podcast from The Marshall Project and WBUR, tells the story of how this horrible crime has connected two families for decades. It explores suffering and retribution, as well as power and privilege. It also pulls back the curtain on parole boards ? powerful, secretive, largely political bodies that control the fates of thousands of people every year.

Hosted and reported by The Marshall Project?s Beth Schwartzapfel, Violation debuts on March 22, with new episodes every Wednesday.