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That UFO Podcast

Bringing you up to date news, interviews and guests from around the world of UFOs, UAP & connected phenomena Hosted by Andy McGrillen

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UFO Cover-Up Claims & Pentagon Fallout, with Ben Schreckinger

I’m joined by journalist Ben Schreckinger to discuss his reporting on the escalating dispute between Jay Stratton and Sean Kirkpatrick.

After Stratton alleged that Kirkpatrick was compromised by a secret UFO legacy programme, Ben contacted the former AARO director for a response. Kirkpatrick denied the allegation and fired back with accusations of national security violations. Ben explains the exchange, what remains unanswered and where his investigation goes next.

We also discuss covering Donald Trump’s rise for Politico, Trump’s approach to UFO disclosure, the challenges of investigating crash retrieval claims, and John Herrington’s changing account of his connection to Brent Friedman.

Plus, why Ben is taking a closer look at telepathy, and whether fresh media interest can deliver answers to an audience tired of promises.

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2026-10-16
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12 UFOs at Lockheed? Unpacking Jay Stratton’s Claims

In a special midweek show, I’m joined by Pavel to dig into Jay Stratton’s new book, Out of the Shadows. Does it move the UFO conversation forward, or leave us with more claims than answers?

We discuss:

• Claims that Lockheed held 12 recovered non-human craft and that reverse engineering had succeeded.
• Accounts of recovered beings and the questions these stories leave unanswered.
• Stratton’s personal encounters and what he means by seeing non-human intelligence firsthand.
• His criticism of Sean Kirkpatrick and warnings about manufactured whistleblowers.
• Where his account fits alongside David Grusch and Lue Elizondo, including questions over AATIP’s history.

We also look at Stratton’s television interviews, the divided reaction to the book, and why distinguishing personal experience, professional knowledge and secondhand accounts matters.

What deserves serious follow-up, what needs evidence, and what should Stratton be asked next?

Contains spoilers for Out of the Shadows.

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2026-10-16
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Jay Stratton: Out of the Shadows | Review & Listener Reactions

I review Jay Stratton’s Out of the Shadows, exploring the former UAP Task Force director’s biggest claims, personal experiences and the questions his account leaves open.

From Hal Puthoff’s foreword and allegations of recovered craft to Skinwalker Ranch, Holloman and the roles of Elizondo and Grusch, I look at what the book adds to the UFO conversation and where more evidence is needed.

I also discuss why Stratton’s seniority matters, the familiar stories he challenges, and your questions and reactions.

Full spoilers throughout.

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2026-10-15
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UFO Arms Race, Eric Weinstein & Jay Stratton’s Book Preview

Andy is joined by Pavel to discuss claims of a UFO arms race, US–China technological competition and the questions surrounding mysterious drone incursions.

We unpack Eric Weinstein’s comments on Diary of a CEO, revisit the fallout from David Grusch’s Rogan appearance and examine excerpts from Jay Stratton’s Out of the Shadows, including reported military UAP encounters and a warning about investigating the legacy programme.

Plus, listener questions on reverse engineering, alleged alien abductions and what would genuinely move the disclosure conversation forward.

Recorded live on 12 October, ahead of Stratton’s book release.

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2026-10-13
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Lenval Logan: “We’ve Seen Better” | Grusch, UAP Footage & The Phenom App

Former UAP Task Force member and retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst Lenval Logan returns to the podcast for a wide-ranging conversation following David Grusch’s latest appearance on Joe Rogan.

Logan reacts to Grusch’s new claims, discusses what was being talked about inside the UAP Task Force, revisits extraordinary footage he says he saw during his time working the issue, including a huge object moving underwater, and explains why he believes the recently released government UAP footage is not the best material available.

He also discusses his involvement with Jason Sands and Joe Rogan, what had and had not been vetted at the time, and shares a deeply unusual personal experience involving a mysterious blue figure that he had previously been reluctant to discuss publicly.

Later, Matt Stevens joins us to discuss the Phenom app, their attempt to build a citizen-science platform for documenting UAP sightings with verifiable video, sensor data and a clearer chain of custody in an age where AI-generated footage is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish from the real thing.

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2026-10-09
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Elizondo in DC & Bledsoe’s “New Knowledge”

I’m breaking down Lue Elizondo’s latest interview with Martin Willis on Podcast UFO, including his government role, comments on crash retrieval secrecy and the questions surrounding his relationship with David Grusch.

Then, Chris Bledsoe’s October 7th “new knowledge” prediction and the launch of the Bledsoe Institute for Research. I look at his explanation, the proposed research and why the announcement has prompted questions about timing, funding and expectations. Plus, your comments and reactions.

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2026-10-07
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Grusch’s Rogan Fallout & Jake Barber’s UFO Mothership Claims

Andy and Pavel unpack David Grusch’s latest Joe Rogan appearance, from human-looking beings and alleged alien encounters to his confidence that disclosure is coming. Why have his comments divided the UFO community, and where is the evidence?

We also discuss Jake Barber’s claims of a cylindrical mothership releasing egg-shaped craft, the latest on Skywatcher, and what these increasingly extraordinary accounts mean for the disclosure conversation.

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2026-10-06
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David Grusch on Joe Rogan: New UFO Claims & What Changed

David Grusch’s second Joe Rogan interview takes his UFO claims much further. But what did he actually say, what has changed, and what questions remain?

Join me as I break down his account of retrieval footage showing human-looking bodies, alleged encounters with reptilian beings, NHI conflict, underwater bases and his prediction of disclosure before Trump leaves office.

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2026-10-02
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Jay Stratton’s New Revelations, James Fox Responds & The UAP Secrecy Problem

Andy and Pavel break down Jay Stratton’s latest comments ahead of Out of the Shadows, including his claim that he can reveal “a lot more than people think,” previously untold UAP events, questions over the history of AAWSAP/AATIP and why government appears to keep starting again. 

Plus, James Fox addresses the controversy surrounding Jason Sands and explains what he would have done differently, while Andy and Pavel discuss witness credibility, evidence, whistleblowers, government compartmentalisation and the latest Politico reporting around UAP secrecy.

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2026-09-29
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Doomer Friday: “Something Else Is Running the Show” | Dylan Borland, Bigelow & The Tonopah Mystery

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Doomer Friday returns for a deep dive into another huge week in the UFO story.

We break down Dylan Borland’s appearance with Sean Hannity, including his extraordinary claims about who, or what, may really be “running the show,” the implications of the abduction phenomenon, and the huge 100-foot equilateral triangle he says he witnessed.

Plus, Robert Bigelow takes aim at NASA and argues for a dramatically expanded Space Force as the race for the Moon heats up, and we examine bizarre new footage from the Tonopah Test Range that appears to show something very unusual.

Andy, Clint, Pavel, Dan and Justin get into disclosure, secrecy, experiencers, who is really in control, and what happens if governments simply don’t have the answers.

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2026-09-26
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UFO Whistleblowers: Can They Trust PURSUE? | Tehran UFO & Vallée’s Contact Claims

Who is behind PURSUE, and why should UFO whistleblowers trust it?

I’m joined by Pavel to discuss the unanswered questions around PURSUE’s call for whistleblowers, the viral footage from Tehran, and Jacques Vallée’s intriguing account of alleged communication with a non-human entity.

We get into:

• The Tehran “UFO”: something extraordinary, or LED lights on a kite?
• PURSUE, transparency and the risks facing whistleblowers.
• Matthew Brown and Vanguard’s efforts to support those coming forward.
• UFO File Drop 6, including 1952 footage and Edward Ruppelt’s discussion of unexplained sightings.
• Vallée’s “Gilbert” account and claims of contact in a controlled setting.
• Trump, disclosure expectations and Chris Bledsoe’s October 7 prediction.

Plus, why questioning a viral video doesn’t mean dismissing the UFO subject and what genuinely compelling evidence might mean for the wider world.

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2026-09-22
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Unfinished Business: Danny Sheehan - The Beings, Contact & Disclosure | Members Preview

What does Danny Sheehan believe is happening behind the secrecy surrounding UFOs and what supports his claims?

In this extended preview of Unfinished Business, my new members-only series, I bring together around 90 minutes of conversations with lawyer Daniel Sheehan, built around your questions.

We explore:

• What evidence Danny would seek to establish the existence of non-human intelligence in court.
• His proposed legal action concerning the alleged UFO legacy programme.
• Grays, Nordics and Mantis beings and the distinction between testimony and physical evidence.
• His reasons for believing ongoing communication is taking place.
• Nuclear warnings: concern for humanity, or something we could be misinterpreting?
• The Galactic Federation idea, speculation and what remains unknown.
• His account of conversations with senior Catholic figures about life beyond Earth.

Throughout, I ask Danny to explain his sources, reasoning and where he draws the line between evidence and interpretation.

Unfinished Business gives us time to explore the listener questions we don’t get to in a regular interview. This supercut is a substantial taster of the longer conversations available in full to members.

Hear or watch all four episodes by signing up to a membership below

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2026-09-21
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Karin Austin: John Mack, Experiencers & the Disclosure Problem | Part 2

In Part Two, Karin Austin tells the story of meeting Harvard psychiatrist Dr John Mack and how their relationship changed the way she understood her experiences.

Karin discusses Mack’s approach to people reporting extraordinary encounters, the work they did together, their friendship, his death and the efforts to preserve his legacy and archives.

We then bring the conversation into the present day: the work surrounding the John Mack material and Rice University, attempts to study experiencer accounts more rigorously, and the difficult question of where experiencers belong in the modern UAP and disclosure conversation.

We also discuss credibility, evidence, alleged implants, the dangers of treating every extraordinary claim equally, what Karin believes she knows versus what remains unknown, and where people struggling with unexplained experiences can currently turn for help.

This is Part Two of my extended conversation with Karin Austin.

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2026-09-15
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Karin Austin: Abduction, Contact & the Experience That Changed Everything | Part 1

In Part One of my conversation with Karin Austin, we explore the extraordinary experiences that have shaped her life.

Karin describes unusual encounters going back to childhood before recounting the intense period of experiences that began again in her twenties - including missing time, apparent beings, altered states, out-of-body experiences and the encounter she says finally convinced her that at least part of what was happening was physically real.

We also discuss how she continued living an ordinary life while dealing with experiences she could barely explain, the difference between the terms “abductee” and “experiencer,” and her attempts to find answers through NASA, SETI, MUFON and the medical community.

Part One takes us right up to the moment Karin was introduced to the man who would change the course of her life: Dr John Mack.

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2026-09-14
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A quick update! (No Bombshells...)

A quick update on the new interviews and shows coming your way, including more from Danny Sheehan, some major upcoming guests and a few hints at what could be around the corner.

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2026-09-11
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The Cote Photo: The Best UFO Photograph Ever Taken? | Adam Pillon

In 1971, a Costa Rican government mapping aircraft photographed Lake Cote every 13 seconds. Frame 299 showed nothing unusual. Frame 300 captured a metallic, disc-shaped object. By frame 301, it was gone. Nobody onboard saw it at the time.

Andy is joined by filmmaker Adam Pillon to discuss The Cote Photo, a new documentary investigating one of the clearest and best-documented UFO photographs ever made public.

They explore how the image was captured, its remarkable chain of custody, modern analysis of the film, the testimony of Sergio Loaiza and why this photograph still stands apart more than half a century later.

The Cote Photo is available now on Amazon, Apple TV and cotephoto.com.

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2026-09-10
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The Cote UFO Photo, Whistleblowers, Demons & Secret Archives

Andy and Pavel dig into another busy week of UFO news, claims and controversy.

They examine the remarkable 1971 Cote UFO photograph, Dylan Borland’s alleged experiences and “demonic” interpretation of the phenomenon, Diana Pasulka’s thoughts on possession and NHI, and the growing debate around spirituality and UFO disclosure.

Also discussed: Shane Smith’s reported VICE UFO series, possible future Pursue releases, Skinwalker Ranch, Jay Stratton’s upcoming book, and concerns surrounding AARO’s proposed access to David Marler’s enormous UFO archive.

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2026-09-08
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Diana Pasulka: The Others, UFOs, AI, Death & the Vatican

Dr Diana Pasulka returns to discuss her new book, *The Others*, in a wide-ranging two-hour conversation exploring UFOs, AI, religion, death, consciousness and Disclosure.

We get into who or what “The Others” may be, whether UFO belief is becoming a new religion, the links between anomalous experiences and the afterlife, Peter Thiel and the Antichrist, the Vatican archives, misinformation in ufology and how Diana’s own views have changed over the years.

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2026-09-04
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David Grusch Back on Rogan? Trump’s “Starfleet” & the Next Disclosure Push

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Andy joins Pavel and Missile Man Jack to discuss reports that David Grusch could be returning to Joe Rogan, and whether a second appearance might deliver the next major moment in the disclosure story.

Also covered: Trump’s new US Space Academy and nuclear propulsion plans, Grusch’s comments on NHI biology and human origins, Matthew Brown’s startling claims about mind manipulation, alleged agreements with non-human intelligence, the White House crash-retrieval story, disclosure fatigue and a provocative new theory about Gary McKinnon’s famous “off-world officers” file.

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2026-09-01
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Doomer Friday: Skinwalker, Bigelow & the Disclosure Question

On this episode of Doomer Friday, I join Clint, Pavel and Justin for a deep dive into Robert Bigelow’s latest podcast conversation with current Skinwalker Ranch owner Brandon Fugal. We get into some of the more intriguing claims and stories surrounding the Ranch, the wider mystery around Bigelow’s involvement, and what it could all mean.

We also discuss a British MP becoming more openly involved in the UFO conversation, before heading into some fun speculative territory around Disclosure, what it might actually look like, and whether we’re any closer to seeing something significant happen.

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2026-08-30
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Special Announcement

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2026-08-27
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100 Recovered UFOs, Non-Human Biologics & Atlantis? The Biggest Claims Examined

This week, Andy and Pavel examine some of the biggest claims in the UFO world. From Eric Davis’s revelations on the podcast and Tim Gallaudet’s possible Atlantis discovery, to Lazar’s nine recovered craft, Grusch suggesting the real number could be between 25 and 100, and more whistleblowers preparing to speak out. How watertight are these extraordinary claims, and where is the evidence?

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2026-08-25
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Dr Eric Davis: Recovered Craft, NHI Bodies and Government Contact

Dr Eric Davis joins Andy for a major conversation about recovered UAP technology, NHI bodies, alleged government contact and decades of secret reverse-engineering efforts.

Davis begins with his bottom line up front, explaining why he believes UAP are real, controlled by non-human intelligence and have interacted with humanity for thousands of years.

He discusses the classified evidence he says he has personally examined, including original documents and photographs from a foreign Cold War crash retrieval; the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and its alleged storage of preserved NHI bodies; a recovered craft apparently abandoned by its occupants; and evidence of contact involving a government office and defence-industry contractor.

The conversation also covers Congress, AARO, the White House PURSUE programme, Trump and the SF-312, Holloman, Kingman, Robert Bigelow, James Lacatski, Jay Stratton, the credibility of different NHI morphologies and reverse-engineering programmes allegedly revived every ten years.

This interview contains claims based partly on classified material that is not currently available for independent public examination.

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2026-08-24
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Whistleblowers Turn to Trump & Who Watches the Gatekeepers? | Doomer Friday

I’m back on Doomer Friday, joining Clint, Pavel and Xander, with Chris Ramsay of Area 52 also dropping in for a wide-ranging conversation on where the UFO disclosure story goes next.

With a growing number of whistleblowers publicly calling on President Trump to waive their NDAs, we discuss whether this really could be a defining moment for disclosure or whether the entire conversation could once again disappear back into the shadows.

We also dig into Robert Bigelow’s revealing conversations with George Knapp, the role of the alleged gatekeepers, what they may actually know, and why they might believe keeping these secrets is the patriotic thing to do.

Then, with Chris Ramsay joining the discussion, things broaden out into what genuine disclosure would actually look like, whether the public would even accept an official announcement, the political divide surrounding the subject, consciousness, contact experiences and whether there might ultimately be ways to pursue answers without waiting for governments to open the hangar doors.

A proper Doomer Friday rabbit hole.

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2026-08-22
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Danny Sheehan: “They Have At Least 9 Recovered UFOs” | Golden Dome & ET Contact

Danny Sheehan returns to That UFO Podcast for another wide-ranging conversation on the hidden structures he believes sit behind the UFO secrecy and disclosure process.

In this interview, Danny makes some extraordinary and highly specific claims. He says there are at least nine recovered craft, some fully intact, discusses what he describes as an active communication process with an extraterrestrial civilisation, and alleges that technology exists capable of locating UFOs even when they are completely cloaked. He identifies this alleged system as “Golden Dome.”

We also get into the increasingly complicated battle over disclosure: the legacy gatekeepers, the National Security Space Association, the role of Congress, Lue Elizondo, Chris Mellon and David Grusch, and Danny’s claim that fighter pilots are being trained to track, intercept and engage UFOs.

Danny also explains why he believes simply getting the President briefed will not solve the problem, why he argues that “all roads lead to Congress,” and why he believes the intelligence community can appear to disclose information while still protecting the deepest secrets.

As always, these are Danny Sheehan’s claims and assessments, and throughout the conversation I push for detail on exactly what he believes is happening, who is involved and how he knows.

Danny had a LOT to say this time...

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2026-08-21
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David Grusch Goes Further, Bigelow’s Big Questions & Pressure on Trump

Andy and Pavel break down another huge week in the UAP conversation, beginning with part two of Robert Bigelow’s new series with George Knapp.

Why has Bigelow returned to the spotlight now, and what is he ultimately building towards? The discussion gets into his claims around consciousness and survival after death, the connection between consciousness and the UFO phenomenon, private aerospace contractors, amnesty and what Bigelow appears to believe disclosure should actually look like.

Then, David Grusch sits down with Dr. Phil and makes some of his strongest public claims yet: 25–100 recovered non-human craft, living occupants reportedly detained, apparent telepathic communication, something “too large to move,” retrieved bodies and imagery he says he has personally seen.

Grusch also hints that a significant part of the phenomenon may not be extraterrestrial at all, raising possibilities including ultraterrestrials, shadow biomes and intelligence originating beneath the oceans.

Plus, Dylan Borland makes a direct public appeal to President Trump to declassify UAP evidence, as pressure continues to build around what the administration does next.

All that and much more in this latest Monday show.

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2026-08-18
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Danny Sheehan, Chris Ramsay & Richard Dolan | The Biggest UFO Conversations

Three huge conversations. One special compilation.

This episode brings together some of the standout moments from my recent interviews with Danny Sheehan, Chris Ramsay and Richard Dolan, covering some of the biggest questions facing the UFO topic right now.

From disclosure, secrecy and what may be happening behind the scenes, to the behaviour of the phenomenon itself, possible patterns in UFO activity, USOs, 2027 and where all of this could be heading.

Whether you heard the original interviews or missed them first time around, this is a collection of some of the most fascinating moments from three of the biggest shows on the podcast.

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2026-08-17
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“You Don’t Talk About It” | A UK Police Inspector Investigates UFOs

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Inspector Roy Teague is a serving UK police officer, researcher and author of Close Encounters of the Police Kind, a collection of UFO and unexplained encounters reported by British police officers.

Roy joins me to discuss what he learned from speaking with hundreds of serving and former officers, why so many witnesses stayed silent for years, how police training can affect the way unusual incidents are observed and reported, and the continuing stigma surrounding the UFO subject in the UK.

We also get into some of the cases that stood out during his research, including an extraordinary RAF radar incident from 1993, sightings involving police helicopters, how an unusual report would actually be handled by police today, and why Britain remains so reluctant to engage publicly with the UAP issue.

A grounded conversation about witness testimony, evidence, stigma and what may be going unreported in UK skies.

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2026-08-14
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Skywatcher Goes In-House? Ross Coulthart’s White Sands Claims & UAP Crash Retrievals

Andy and Pavel break down Ross Coulthart’s extraordinary new reporting on Skywatcher and what may have happened after the public-facing project went quiet.

Ross claims individuals and techniques connected to Skywatcher have effectively been taken “in-house”, with a covert US government operation at White Sands allegedly using the same Dog Whistle technology and psionic methods to summon, detect and even attempt to bring down UAP. He further claims the operation was personally authorised by President Trump and designed to circumvent the alleged Legacy Program.

We get into the El Paso shutdown, White Sands, the alleged use of directed-energy weapons, questions over civilian aircraft, Garry Nolan’s involvement, whether Ross’s sources can be trusted, and the uncomfortable ethics of deliberately summoning something only to shoot at it.

Plus, TIME Magazine asks why America is finally taking extraterrestrials seriously, as the UFO subject continues its move into mainstream scientific and political discussion.

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2026-08-11
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Dylan Borland, Bigelow’s Disclosure Plan & UAP File Drop 5 | Doomer Friday

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Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a huge discussion after another packed week in UAP news.

We break down Dylan Borland’s extensive interview with Jesse Michaels, including whistleblower retaliation, restitution, disclosure and the extraordinary suggestion that humans may not ultimately be the ones in control.

Robert Bigelow is also back, speaking with George Knapp about recovered craft, legacy programs, blanket immunity for gatekeepers and the advice he gave President Trump on potentially acknowledging a non-human intelligence presence.

Plus, the fifth official UAP file drop has arrived. We look at what was released, the lack of meaningful contributions from some agencies, the new material on black triangles and why this may be the most disappointing tranche yet.

Are we actually moving closer to disclosure, simple confirmation, or something far more controlled?

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2026-08-08
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Danny Sheehan: Grusch’s Hidden Role, AARO Failures & the UAP Power Struggle

Constitutional attorney Danny Sheehan returns for one of our most direct and grounded conversations yet.

Danny reveals what he says was a previously unknown role played by David Grusch in reviewing challenges to the security clearances of Lue Elizondo and Chris Mellon following their involvement with The New York Times.

He also accuses former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick of ignoring named sources during Danny’s testimony, claiming Kirkpatrick would stop taking notes whenever specific individuals were identified, before later telling Congress that AARO had received no actionable details.

We also discuss:

Lue Elizondo’s alleged knowledge of UAP activity off Baja and Guadalupe Island, the proposed UAP governance board, whether Elizondo or Grusch should accept a role within it, the presidential NDA waiver, whistleblower protections, amnesty for alleged gatekeepers and the federal racketeering complaint Danny says he has been asked to help prepare.

Danny also faces direct questions about evidence, credibility, claims he has rejected and what could ultimately change his own understanding of the phenomenon.


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2026-08-07
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UFO Disclosure in Crisis: Whistleblowers, Waived NDAs & the Elizondo-Gerb Fallout

Andy joins Pavel for a deep dive into an increasingly divided UFO disclosure movement. They examine the new UAP NDA waiver, Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland’s warnings about AARO, ODNI and PURSUE, and whether whistleblowers are genuinely protected or being directed back into the same system they distrust.

They also unpack Lue Elizondo’s response to UAP Gerb, Ross Coulthart’s role in the growing controversy, the competing camps forming around disclosure and the mounting pressure on David Grusch to deliver on his 60-to-90-day timeline. Is this necessary scrutiny, deliberate division or a movement beginning to turn on itself?

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2026-08-04
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Chris Ramsay: Bob Lazar, Underwater UFOs & What He Really Believes

Area 52 creator Chris Ramsay joins Andy for a wide-ranging conversation about how a magician and puzzle creator with seven million subscribers became one of the most distinctive voices in UFO media. Chris explains why he remains low-conviction on most claims, how remote viewing and his experiences connected to the Monroe Institute changed his outlook, and why he believes the current disclosure debate may be distracting people from the real work.

Chris also discusses the alleged mobile underwater construction unit, the UFO cases and witnesses he finds most convincing, and why official confirmation may never satisfy the UFO community. Later, he recounts his private conversation with Bob Lazar and explains why Lazar’s reaction raised his conviction, offers a more cautious assessment of Travis Walton, and describes a waking out-of-body experience he believes was distinct from a lucid dream.

A thoughtful, funny and surprisingly personal conversation about belief, evidence, consciousness, disclosure and why the mystery may matter as much as the answer.

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2026-08-03
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Jonathan Caplan KC: UFO Secrecy, Majestic 12 and the Case Beyond Reasonable Doubt

Andy is joined by Jonathan Caplan KC, one of the UK’s leading criminal barristers and the author of Not for Disclosure: UFOs, The World’s Best-Kept Secret.

Drawing on five decades of interest in the subject, Jonathan explains why he believes the UFO phenomenon is real, why governments have kept it hidden and why, in his view, the evidence could meet the criminal standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The conversation covers the alleged 1994 craft landing in Russia, Britain’s historic relationship with the United States on UFO matters, Five Eyes, Majestic 12, Rendlesham Forest, private defence contractors, intimidation of insiders and the limits of the current disclosure process. Jonathan also explains why he believes the phenomenon may involve several different forms of non-human intelligence, rather than a single extraterrestrial source.

A wide-ranging discussion about evidence, secrecy, national security and what governments may still be withholding from the public.

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2026-07-29
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UFO Disclosure or Disinformation? Grusch 3 Years On, Elizondo, Erdman & the NDAA

Andy is joined by Pavel from the Psychoactivo Podcast to take stock of a UFO topic caught between apparent political progress, persistent secrecy and growing frustration.

Three years after David Grusch’s historic congressional testimony about recovered craft and non-human biologics, has disclosure meaningfully moved forward, or are we still treading water?

They examine Eric Burlison’s latest comments on whistleblowers and the UAP Disclosure Act, what the announcement about waiving UAP-related NDAs actually changes, and why permission to speak is not the same as genuine legal protection.

Also discussed: former CIA officer James Erdman III’s warning about disinformation, counterintelligence and grift within the UFO subject; Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp’s role in the current disclosure effort; the frustration surrounding promised evidence and unreleased material; and reported comments from Lue Elizondo involving Knapp.

Plus, listener questions on managed transparency, Donald Trump’s interest in disclosure, the Nazca mummies, media sensationalism and whether the UFO community’s biggest problem is now secrecy, personalities or the continued lack of undeniable evidence.


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2026-07-28
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What Is Hidden Beneath Antarctica? UFOs, Secret Bases and Hollow Earth with Brad Olsen

Author, explorer and researcher Brad Olsen joins Andy to investigate the enduring mysteries surrounding Antarctica.

Brad recounts his own journey to the frozen continent before exploring the extraordinary claims connected to Admiral Richard E. Byrd, Operation Highjump, alleged German bases, ancient maps, pyramid-shaped mountains and the Antarctic Treaty.

The conversation also examines reports of unusual radio signals emerging from beneath the ice, theories about hidden civilisations and Hollow Earth, and Brad’s belief that Antarctica may hold one of the most important secrets in the wider UFO disclosure story.

Where does documented history end, where does speculation begin, and what could still be hidden beneath the ice?

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2026-07-24
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BREAKING NEWS: Trump Removes the UAP NDA Barrier | Is Disclosure About to Advance?

President Donald Trump has reportedly directed government agencies to waive non-disclosure agreements for former officials and contractors who want to share relevant UAP information through authorised federal channels.

In this breaking news episode, Andy examines what the decision actually means, why witnesses must still approach AARO or the PURSUE task force, and why this is not yet a blanket declassification of UFO information.

Could figures such as Lue Elizondo, Eric Davis, James Lacatski or the witnesses interviewed by David Grusch now reveal more? Is this the major development Grusch suggested could happen within 60 to 90 days? And will this finally lead to stronger files, firsthand testimony and evidence reaching the public?

The episode also covers the reaction from Eric Burlison, Anna Paulina Luna, Tim Burchett and Avi Loeb, along with the remaining concerns around retaliation, whistleblower protection and trust in the official process.

For years, the public has been told that people with firsthand knowledge could not speak because of NDAs. One of those barriers may now have been removed.

So, who walks through the door first?

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2026-07-21
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Trump’s Puzzling Message to Dr Phil & “Next-Level” UFO Files Coming?

Andy and Pavel return to break down the latest developments surrounding the US government’s UFO disclosure push.

Dan Farah claims another tranche of evidence could arrive within weeks, with “next-level extraordinary stuff” potentially being released before the end of the year. Meanwhile, Dr Phil was reportedly given early access to the latest UFO files alongside a handwritten message from President Trump: “Have fun with this.” Is Dr Phil being positioned as a mainstream messenger for disclosure, or are people reading too much into it?

Also discussed: the revised UAP Disclosure Act amendment, the mysterious Reality Transparency Act, David Grusch’s rapidly closing 90-day window, Jeff Nuccitelli joining Vanguard, Ross Coulthart’s interest in the controversial CARET documents, Chris Bledsoe’s fork experiment, billionaire access to alleged UFO secrets, and what may really be happening on the Moon.

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2026-07-21
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Living Beings, Avatars or AI? Inside the UFO Occupant Mystery

What if the biggest UFO mystery is not the craft, but the beings inside them?

Anthropologist Peter Skafish returns for a deep dive into the alleged occupants behind UAP. Are they biological beings, engineered avatars, artificial intelligence, or something stranger still?

We explore why witness reports of beings are often dismissed, even when the same witnesses are trusted on the craft themselves. Peter also examines the recurring humanoid forms, possible communication, motives, different reported types, and what another intelligence might reveal about life, culture and civilisation beyond humanity.

Peter also discusses his role on the new UAP Scientific Advisory Council, the latest government file releases, the state of disclosure, and what may still remain hidden.

Perhaps the greatest question is no longer how these objects fly.

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2026-07-16
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Did the US Government Lure UFOs? | Amnesty, Moon Monoliths & Antarctica

Andy is joined by Pavel from Psicoactivo Podcast to discuss claims that the US government successfully lured or baited UAP during a classified operation.

They examine what the recently released files actually establish, whether officials have developed methods for attracting mysterious orbs, and what may still be hidden from the public.

Also discussed: Matthew Brown’s argument for conditional amnesty within the alleged Legacy Program, the crimes he says must not be ignored, Ross Coulthart’s comments about unreleased images of possible structures on the Moon, alleged secret American bases in Antarctica, and questions surrounding Chris Mellon and those with potential knowledge of the Legacy Program.

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2026-07-14
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UFO Files Release 4: NASA Images, Pantex Incident & Secret Documents

Release 4 of the US government’s UFO files has arrived, bringing 23 videos, three NASA images and 14 documents spanning more than 70 years.

Andy reviews the most interesting footage, including several fast-moving objects and one unusually clear structure, before examining NASA’s STS-80 images and recent comments from NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman, who acknowledged that NASA has captured imagery it still cannot explain.

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Dr. Phil McGraw’s early access to the files and his White House advisory connection
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Military Range Fouler reports from 2019 and 2020
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What is genuinely interesting, what may be prosaic and what is simply older material being repackaged

Does Release 4 move the story forward, or are we still waiting for the evidence that changes the conversation?

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2026-07-11
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1: Jason Samosa Part 2: The Collins Elite, Hybrids & The Disclosure Control System

Jason Samosa returns for part two of our huge conversation, as we move deeper into the Collins Elite, religious interpretations of the UFO phenomenon, demonic narratives, alien deception, hybrids, TTSA, and the modern disclosure movement.

We discuss whether some within government and intelligence circles may have viewed the phenomenon through a biblical or occult lens, how that belief system could influence secrecy, and why apocalyptic predictions and “something is coming” narratives can shape the way people behave.

Jason also gives his thoughts on To The Stars Academy, the hybrid narrative, competing factions around disclosure, and whether the battle over UFO transparency is really a battle over who gets to control the story.

A wide-ranging second half covering some of the strangest and most controversial threads in the modern UFO conversation.

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2026-07-10
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Jason Samosa Part 1: Nazis, Roswell & The Hidden Roots of UFO Secrecy

Jason Samosa joins me for part one of a huge conversation tracing the UFO topic from the post-war era through Roswell, Cold War secrecy, private industry, religious influence, and the early roots of disclosure resistance.

We discuss claims around Nazi technology, Operation Paperclip, why the post-World War II national security state created the perfect conditions for secrecy, what Roswell may represent in the wider story, and whether UFO secrecy was ever as simple as “the government knows aliens are real.”

Jason also explains why the modern disclosure debate may involve more than classified files and recovered craft, with competing factions, private power, religious framing, and narrative control all playing a role.

Part two continues with a deeper dive into the Collins Elite, demonic interpretations of the phenomenon, hybrids, TTSA, and the modern disclosure movement.

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2026-07-09
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Skinwalker, Skywatcher & The UFO Civil War

Welcome to another, of what we hope will become a regular weekly or bi-weekly catch-up between Andy from That UFO Podcast and Pavel from Psicoactivo.

In this episode, Andy and Pavel break down the latest major claims from Dr. Eric Davis, including his comments on alleged alien species, Skinwalker Ranch, Roswell, cattle mutilations, the hitchhiker effect and what can or cannot be said publicly.

The conversation also digs into the wider state of the UFO topic right now, including Gerb’s questioning, Hal Puthoff, Skywatcher, alleged orbs, counterintelligence concerns, the problem of cult-like belief systems, and why so many people in this space seem to be pulling in different directions.

Dan Cleary from Others From Another Mother also jumps in for part of the discussion, adding his thoughts on skywatches, CE5-style claims, evidence, and where the community should draw the line between open-mindedness and belief.

The show finishes with discussion around Vanguard, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland, whistleblower support, and what kind of questions the community should be asking next.

A loose, honest and wide-ranging UFO roundtable, with plenty of disagreement, humour and big questions.

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2026-07-07
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Roswell Week, Legacy Program Pressure & The “Something Is Coming” UFO Rumour Cycle

Andy is back with a packed UFO news update as Roswell anniversary week collides with new disclosure rumours, congressional pressure and major debate inside the UAP community.

In this episode, Andy looks at the latest claims around a possible July 8th announcement, Anna Paulina Luna’s comments that an announcement is coming soon, David Grusch’s 60-to-90-day window, and the MKUltra hearing.

Also discussed: Ross Coulthart pressing Lue Elizondo over alleged Legacy Program connections, Elizondo’s response on Cuomo, Burchett and Elizondo appearing with Sean Hannity, UAP Gerb questioning Hal Puthoff and Avi Loeb on Fresh Freedom, Eric Burlison’s comments on a confirmed 1952 MIT Lincoln Lab reel-to-reel audio file, and Stephen Greer’s call for a global bypass of the US disclosure process.

Plus, Andy answers listener questions on soft disclosure, crash retrievals, China and Russia’s silence, the Legacy Program, David Grusch, and whether the public is being dragged through another cycle of “soon.”

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2026-07-05
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Michael Herrera: The Marine Who Says He Saw a Secret UAP Operation

Former United States Marine Michael Herrera joins That UFO Podcast to discuss his alleged 2009 encounter in Indonesia involving a massive advanced craft, armed personnel, and a story that has only become darker and more complex over time.

We get into what he says he saw, why he believes the object looked manufactured rather than traditionally “alien,” what happened afterwards, and how he now connects the incident to UAP secrecy, black programs, psionics, whistleblower protections, Congress, AARO, David Grusch, Steven Greer and the wider disclosure conversation.

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2026-07-01
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The UAP Legacy Program Fallout: Elizondo, Gerb, Coulthart & Controlled Disclosure

In this special live discussion, I’m joined by Pavel from the Psicoactivo Podcast to break down one of the biggest flashpoints currently developing in the UAP conversation.

Ross Coulthart and UAP Gerb have both raised serious questions around Lue Elizondo’s alleged past role within the so-called legacy program, his possible involvement in controlled disclosure, and whether he would be the right person to lead any future UAP transparency effort.

We discuss what Ross said, why Gerb’s comments have landed so strongly, the rumoured “UAP czar” role, the divide between controlled disclosure and full transparency, and how David Grusch may have changed the entire direction of the conversation.

We also get into the wider implications for whistleblowers, national security, amnesty, The Age of Disclosure, Jay Stratton’s upcoming book, and whether the UAP community is entering a new and more fractured phase.

This is not about character assassination. It is a conversation about trust, disclosure, secrecy, and who the public should rely on as this topic moves forward.

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2026-06-30
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The Disclosure Forum, A UFO Czar & Controlled Disclosure | Doomer Friday

Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a wide-ranging discussion on the Disclosure Forum, the reaction to the event, the role of new UFO organisations, and whether the public is being prepared for genuine disclosure or a heavily managed version of it.

We get into the tone of the Forum, the awards, the lack of truly new information, and the bigger question of what these events are actually trying to achieve. The conversation also turns to whistleblowers like Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, possible executive action around protections, the rumours of a UFO “czar”, and whether any future disclosure process will prioritise truth, accountability, or control.

This one goes deep into amnesty, historical crimes, classified reality, national security, the threat narrative, global disclosure, and whether the world would actually change if the truth finally came out.

A huge thanks to the Doomer Friday team for having me back on.

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The Disclosure Forum reaction
Was the event serious enough?
Awards, optics and public trust
Whistleblowers and legal protection
Matthew Brown, Dylan Borland and Vanguard
The possibility of a UFO czar
Controlled disclosure vs full disclosure
Amnesty, accountability and hidden crimes
Would the public care about the cover-up?
Is “reality classified”?
The threat narrative and national security
What disclosure could actually look like
Why the world may not change overnight

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2026-06-29
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UAP Cover-Up: Is Disclosure Entering Phase Two?

This week’s UAP news is moving fast.

Andy breaks down the newly discussed UAP Science Advisory Council connected to Avi Loeb, the controversial appointment of Michael Shermer, Anna Paulina Luna’s comments on possible new UAP file drops, the upcoming MKUltra hearing, and the Disclosure Foundation Forum in Washington DC.

From Congress and science to intelligence secrecy, whistleblowers, psychology and public trust, the conversation is no longer just about whether UFOs are real. It is about who controls the information, who gets brought into the room, and whether we are seeing real transparency or the next stage of the cover-up.

Disclosure Forum - https://disclosure.org/

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2026-06-25
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Preparing for Disclosure: Are We Ready for the Human Impact?

Andy is joined by John Priestland and Dr Martin Abbass from Unhidden, a UK-based, medically led organisation looking at one of the most overlooked parts of the UAP conversation: the people.

Their new report, *Preparing for Disclosure*, asks what might happen if society is confronted with information that fundamentally changes our understanding of reality, and whether governments, health systems, doctors, therapists and communities are remotely prepared for the psychological and social impact.

This conversation explores stigma, experiencers, mental health, ontological shock, public health preparedness, the role of clinicians, and why disclosure — if it ever comes — may not only be a political or scientific issue, but a human one.

A different kind of conversation, but an important one.

https://www.unhidden.org/

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2026-06-24
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