Brooklyn Beckham breaks his silence in a shocking statement accusing David and Victoria Beckham of manipulation, betrayal, and a wedding moment gone horribly wrong. We unpack every claim, the money and power dynamics underneath it all, and what this feud reveals about celebrity family brands. Plus: Ben Affleck politely dismantles a Real Housewives fantasy, and why this week feels like a golden age for gossip historians.

01:10 ? Chanler?s Guana Island trip

Beach glow, anniversaries, and luxury overload.

12:45 ?? Customs chaos

A shocking airport mistake.

Brooklyn Beckham Feud

14:35 ? Brooklyn breaks his silence

Why this statement changes everything.

16:45 ? Celebrity narratives vs. truth

What we think we know ? and don?t.

18:30 ? Reading the statement

Setting the stakes.

20:45 ? Wedding dress drama

Victoria Beckham vs. Valentino.

24:45 ? The Beckham name & money

Control, contracts, resentment.

29:30 ? Brooklyn?s safety net

Marriage, wealth, and leverage.

33:00 ? ?Not blood, not family?

The night-before-the-wedding fight.

36:45 ? The mother?son dance

The most disturbing allegation.

40:00 ? Witnesses & deleted comments

Quiet confirmations.

44:00 ? Netflix red carpet tension

Cold shoulders and body language.

47:30 ? Victoria Beckham & control

Power shifts inside the family.

50:00 ? LA fires & the dog rescue

Brand over empathy.

52:30 ? Trauma or entitlement?

Where sympathy fractures.

55:30 ? Final Beckham analysis

What feels real ? and what?s next.

Pop Culture Roundup

57:04 ? Ben Affleck & Lisa Barlow

A Housewife claim meets reality.

59:00 ? ?I don?t know her? energy

Ben?s polite takedown.

01:01:30 ? Lisa doubles down

Why this is elite Housewives behavior.

01:04:00 ? Closing thoughts

Why none of this is over.

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timestamps:

(00:00:00) ? Charleston Christmas Card Scandal ? a viral family card, a lawyer husband, and a six-year marriage detonated in public

(00:09:45) ? Kendall Jenner vs. Reality ? ?no plastic surgery,? Accutane nose theories, and why the internet isn?t buying it

(00:22:19) ? Sydney Sweeney & Scooter Braun ? ?disrespectful? athlete DMs, female independence, and relationship red flags

(00:26:34) ? Brooklyn Beckham Cuts Off His Parents ? David & Victoria?s legal notice, Instagram blocks, and family warfare by lawyer

(00:36:00) ? Golden Globes Chaos ? Nikki Glaser?s monologue, Leonardo DiCaprio jokes, and thirsting over Michael B. Jordan thirst

(00:45:15) ? Kylie Jenner & Timothée Chalamet ? body language, lip-reading culture, and why everyone can?t stop watching them

(00:50:28) ? RHOBH: Sutton vs. Jennifer Tilly ? sobriety, sensitivity, and a friendship that goes sideways fast

(00:55:32) ? Kyle Richards & Dorit Kemsley ? PK drama, loyalty lines, and what ?neutral? really means

(01:00:05) ? Rachel Zoe Enters the Chat ? unexpected warmth, fashion without the cruelty, and why she?s winning them over

(01:02:46) ? The Amanda Problem ? crystal flexing, ?I belong in any room,? money talk, and a new housewife archetype

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(00:00:00?00:06:00) ? ?Tits out? & Family optics ? the Nader sisters, dressing sexy around your parents, and inherited modesty culture

(00:06:01?00:12:30) ?? Lxury travel truths ? honeymoon hotel comparisons, Cancún bookings, and when the dream experience almost collapses

(00:12:31?00:19:45) ? Hugh Jackman, Sutton Foster & Kate Hudson ? work-husband rumors, jealousy optics, and calling the paparazzi on yourself

(00:19:46?00:29:15) ? Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner ? award-speech soft launches, ?partner? discourse, and why Kylie is actually out of his league

(00:29:16?00:35:55) ?? Club Chalamet obsession ? fandom gone feral, parasocial ownership, and what happens when a stan gets too close

(00:35:56?00:40:50) ? Carole Radziwill & Ghislaine Maxwell ? the framed photo mystery, social-circle denial, and what ?not knowing? really means

(00:40:51?00:41:55) ? Dorit & PK fallout ? the Birkin comment, public bitterness, and why exes with rude comment are the real red flag

(00:41:56?00:46:15) ? Denise Richards & Aaron Phypers ? GoFundMe drama, eviction headlines, custody leverage, and emotional manipulation

(00:46:16?00:56:00) ? Eras Tour: Marjorie ? family legacy, backstage illness, Andrea Swift lore, and a jaw-dropping ring story

(00:56:01?01:05:30) ? Gracie Abrams vs. Sabrina Carpenter ? fangirl energy, reverence for Taylor Swift, and who understood the assignment

(01:05:31?end) ?? the final show ? Travis Kelce?s letter, ?love of my life? timing, burnout, and what it means to finally be ready

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As we close out 2025 and head straight into divorce season, Lauren & Chanler are joined by their favorite recurring guest ? their dad, a longtime divorce attorney ? for one of your most-requested annual episodes.

From Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce?s hypothetical prenup to Golden Bachelor drama, Real Housewives breakups, and messy celebrity divorces, Dad breaks down what actually matters legally (and what?s pure Hollywood fiction).

Plus, we answer listener questions on:

Prenups vs. no prenupsWhat really happens after 10 years of marriageSubstance abuse, gambling, and domestic violence in divorceWhy mediation without a lawyer can go very wrongRed flags to watch for when dating divorcees

It?s informative, unfiltered, funny, and slightly unhinged ? exactly how we like to ring in the New Year. ???

?? Timestamps

00:00 ? Welcome to divorce season ????

01:45 ? Introducing Dad (and why listeners love him) ??????

04:00 ? Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: billionaire prenups explained ??

08:30 ? Do you really need a prenup? ??

12:45 ? When prenups backfire emotionally ?

15:10 ? The 10-year marriage rule (myth vs reality) ???

18:40 ? Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban?s sobriety clause ???

22:15 ? Golden Bachelor divorce + protecting kids? inheritances ??

27:00 ? Kyle Richards & Mauricio: separation dates explained ??

31:30 ? Vocational evaluations & ?fake unemployment? ??

34:45 ? Divorcing someone with a drinking problem ??

39:10 ? Dating before divorce: does the court care? ?????

41:45 ? Trusts, inheritances & when kids get paid ??????

44:30 ? Higher-earning wives & alimony fears ???

47:20 ? Red flags when dating divorced men ??

49:40 ? Secret gambling & breach of marital trust ??

52:30 ? Why mediation without a lawyer is dangerous ???

55:10 ? Emotional abuse vs physical abuse in divorce ???

57:00 ? Final advice, family love & New Year send-off ???

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Merry Christmas, Global Elites ? We?re bringing back one of the most unhinged, accidentally iconic episodes in Pop Apologists history. Originally recorded two years ago, Olive Oil & Blood is a time capsule of early-era Lauren and Chanler.

First released January 5, 2022.

timestamps:

(00:00:00) ? Caffeine & the Will to Live ? post-holiday dread, coffee as medicine, and existential morning spirals

(00:05:05) ? Failed Business Fantasies ? fresh homemade cookies, startup delusion, and entrepreneurial reality checks

(00:10:20) ? Family Visit Trauma ? parents in nyc, outdoor dining chaos, and first impressions with ben

(00:18:55) ? Mom on the Streets ? flirting, micro-aggressions, and being unjaded in new york

(00:23:10) ? Yellowstone Discourse ? cowboy fantasies vs. reality, cringe dialogue, and farmer-core exposure therapy

(00:29:20) ? Celebrity Body Politics ? david foster, katharine mcphee, and why the caption was the real problem

(00:37:45) ? Men Behaving Badly ? steve lodge, bravo engagements, and patriarchy fatigue

(00:39:45) ? Sunday Scaries ? millennial work dread, weekend anxiety, and emotional preparation rituals

(00:43:50) ? Domestic Reset ? cooking resolutions, grocery ambition, and false confidence

(00:46:35) ? Olive Oil & Blood ? the grocery bag breaks, the fall, the injuries, and instant regret

(00:53:00) ?? Acts of Service ? why the chaos was (almost) worth it and a rare tender moment

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(00:08:30) ? The End of an Era docuseries drops

(00:12:24) ? The Southport attack segment: Taylor struggles to speak, prepares to meet victim?s families, and absorbs unimaginable grief.

(00:18 :00) ? Inside the Eras Tour bonus checks: nearly $200M distributed, dancers? lives changed, and industry norms shattered.

(00:21:00) ? Dancing is hard: Taylor learning choreography by lyrics, rehearsing with Florence, and spotlight-sharing done right.

(00:24:38) ? Travis Kelce check-in: the post-London call, Vienna anxiety, and quiet relationship intimacy on display.

(00:28:40) ? Night time routine: after-concert-ritual, avoiding drug addiction, and crazy sleep schedule.

(00:35:00) ? Andrea Swift moments: emotional containment, post-tragedy comfort, and the ultimate emotional backbone.

(00:36:00) ? Surprise guests and backstage vibes: Ed Sheeran appearances and deeply questionable green-room furniture.

(00:39:00) ? RHOBH whiplash: Kyle & Mauricio?s separation, sad flirting, and sterile bachelor-pad décor.

(00:49:48) ? Amanda enters RHOBH: Money Queen branding, manifestation courses, and immediate group tension.

(00:57:4 0) ? Megan King custody update: CPS involvement, medication issues, and a genuinely dark Bravo headline.

(01:00:45) ? Bronwyn & Todd: open-marriage confusion, emotional whiplash, and new beginnings for Bronwyn

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Britani Bateman joins Pop Apologists for a raw, funny, and emotional deep dive into fame, family estrangement, Mormon roots, and her headline-making relationship with Jared. She opens up about rebuilding her bond with daughter Olivia, navigating public criticism, and the reality of dating on reality TV. Britani also breaks down the now-infamous plane incident in chilling detail, including firsthand reactions from flight attendants and passengers. After the interview, Lauren and Chanler unpack Bethenny Frankel?s controversial Architectural Digest feature and viral clapback. The episode wraps with major celebrity updates including Alix Earle, Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau, and Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner.

01:00 ? Britani Bateman Joins ??

02:30 ? Fame & Fan Reactions ?

04:00 ? Mormon Movies & Acting Roots ?

05:30 ? Vulnerability & Online Criticism ?

07:00 ? Daughter Olivia & Estrangement ???

09:30 ? Divorce, Remarriage & Faith ??

11:00 ? The Jared Relationship Update ?????

13:30 ? Breakups, Apologies & Healing ??

15:30 ? Jared?s Reputation with the Cast ?

17:00 ? Donny Osmond & Mormon Celebs ?

20:00 ? Singing, Flirting & Viral Chaos ??

25:00 ? The Plane Incident Begins ???

29:00 ? Crying, PTSD & Seatmate Witness ????

33:00 ? Meredith?s Story & Viewer Reactions ?

35:00 ? Why SLC Is Peak Bravo ???

37:00 ? Mormon 3.0 & Returning to Church ?

38:30 ? Where to Find Britani Online ?

? After Show Pop Culture Rundown

40:00 ? Bethenny?s AD Home Reveal ?

43:00 ? Neutral Decor vs Airbnb Chic ??

46:00 ? Chevron Wallpaper & Cabana Room ?

49:30 ? Bethenny Clapback & Real Estate Flex ?

53:30 ? Market Timing vs Design Talent ?

55:00 ? Alix Earle & Braxton Breakup ?

57:30 ? Fame, Youth & Dating Pressure ?

59:00 ? Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau Go Public ?

01:01:30 ? PDA, Politics & Side-Eye ?

01:03:30 ? Timothée & Kylie Red Carpet ?

01:06:30 ? Club Chalamet & Fan Culture ?????

01:09:00 ? Parasocial Obsession Talk ?

01:12:00 ? Celebrity Stalking Line Debate ?

01:14:30 ? Pronunciation Fails & Callouts ??

01:17:30 ? Fact-Checking the Podcast ??

01:20:30 ? Taylor Swift Domain Confession ?

01:23:30 ? Pop Culture Burnout Chat ?

01:26:30 ? Social Media Spiral ?

01:29:00 ? Reality TV as Escapism ?

01:31:30 ? Final Hot Takes ?

01:35:00 ? Listener Feedback ?

01:38:00 ? Wrap-Up & Sign-Off ??

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01:00 ? Why Millennials Are Obsessed with Lily Again ??

Context-setting for her career resurgence and West End Girl.

02:00 ? Lily?s Turbulent Upbringing ?????

Council housing, financial struggle, divorced parents, and early industry proximity.

04:00 ? Nepo Baby? Well-Connected? Both? ?????

Exploring Lily?s privilege vs. hardship.

01:01:00 ? The Cheating Revelations + Owning Her Story ??

Lily explains why she disclosed everything in her memoir ("I'm sleeping with prostitutes?").

01:02:00 ? The Sobriety Era: Parenting, Presence & Stability ????

Her reflections on missing the highs but finally feeling grounded.

01:03:00 ? Lily + David Harbour: Raya Match to Marriage ???

Their connection, his quotes about her presence and vibrancy.

01:08:00 ? The Open Marriage Era & Internet Reactions ??

You revisit your past TikTok takes + new empathy after learning her story.

01:09:00 ? Critics Weigh In: The Guardian & Rolling Stone ??

Five-star reviews and why West End Girl hits emotionally + musically.

01:10:00 ? Favorite Tracks & Lyrical Moments ??

?Dallas Major? stuck in your heads, the dignity lyric from ?Let You Win.?

01:11:00 ? Final Thoughts + Swiftie Detour (Because of Course) ??

All roads lead back to Taylor; closing the deep dive.

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Lauren interviews Melissa Coleman (?Mrs. Derm?), a no-BS skincare voice married to renowned dermatologist Dr. Patrick Coleman. Mrs. Derm reveals her minimalist routine, Retin-A secrets, melasma fix, why EU sunscreens leave the U.S. in the dust, and her unfiltered takes on plastic surgery and celebrity facelifts.

00:00 ? Why Skincare Feels So Confusing: Setting the Record Straight ??

A warm intro + what this episode will actually teach you (and why it matters).

00:14 ? The Real AM Routine: What You Should Use (and What You Should Ditch) ?

Simple, effective steps for every skin type ? no 12-step nonsense, no marketing fluff.

00:26 ? Fine Lines, ?Smoker Lines,? and the Truth About Genetics vs. Habit ???

Who gets them, why they happen, and what can actually reduce them.

00:28 ? Can You Start Retin-A Later in Life and Still See Results? ??

Melissa?s own late-start Retin-A story ? proof it?s never too late.

00:29 ? What Retin-A Really Does: Texture, Pores, Pigment & Tightness ?

A science-backed breakdown of what improves, what doesn?t, and how long it takes.

01:14:00 ? The Ageless Woman Story: What Monthly Peels Can Achieve ??

A real example of jaw-dropping skin transformation ? and what was behind it.

01:15:00 ? Peels vs. Lasers: When Each One Works Best ?

A roadmap for choosing the right treatment for clarity, texture, or anti-aging.

01:36:00 ? LED Masks: What NASA Actually Studied vs. What Instagram Sells You ??

Cutting through the hype: when (and if) LED truly does anything.

01:41:00 ? Exosomes: The $3k Treatment People Regret Most ?

The split-face experiment that exposed whether they actually work.

02:13:00 ? Celebrity Facelift Discourse: Emily Blunt & the Internet?s Double Standard ??

Why women get dragged online for procedures ? and Melissa?s viral take.

02:14:00 ? Why Many Women Keep Their Cosmetic Surgery Private ?

A candid look at judgment, safety, and privacy in the beauty world.

02:28:00 ? The ?Mask Slipping? Aging Theory: A Simple Way to Understand Facial Aging ?

A visual analogy that explains what?s falling, shifting, and why treatments work.

02:29:00 ? Final Advice: What to Focus on at Any Age ??

Her practical, no-BS roadmap for skincare, treatments, and aging gracefully.

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(00:00:00) ? Airline rage: JetBlue snacks, Delta trauma, and Biscoff as a war crime.

(00:03:30) ? Zach Bryan?s sobriety post + Brianna Chickenfry déjà vu.

(00:11:05) ? Queen Camilla?s ?weight loss? gaffe + hypnotist diets of the British elite.

(00:17:10) ? Meghan Markle?s Harper?s Bazaar profile: duchess announcements & jam philosophy.

(00:26:40) ? The NYT surrogacy scandal: forged signatures, Zoom fraud, and 15 children.

(00:37:12) ? Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Jessi, Jordan?s TikTok blackmail, and a chaotic marriage.

(00:41:55) ? Meghan King loses custody: the strange CPS timeline.

(00:44:16) ? Bill Belichick at 24-year-old girlfriend?s adult cheer nationals + Jordon Hudson?s glam.

(00:47:33) ? RHOSLC: Todd & Bronwyn?s surreal open-marriage convo.

(00:53:40) ? Britani vs. Jared: creek fights, wedge heels, and fifth-grade flirting.

(00:56:00) ? Lisa & John Barlow: marriage unraveling on camera.

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(00:00:00) ? Layla Joins the Show: Season 3 reactions, Jessie confrontation setup, and Marciano bombshell fallout.

(00:05:12) ? The Kiss, the Cialis & the Lie Detector: Jessie?s texts, Jordan overhearing everything, and why Marciano?s Botox face wasn?t giving anything away.

(00:10:24) ? Demi vs. The Villa Timeline: The accusations, the confusion, the face-times, and why the girls felt emotionally manipulated.

(00:15:36) ? Is There a Layla & Demi Friendship Left?: Layla breaks down boundaries, cordial coexistence, and the moment she stopped believing Demi?s version.

(00:26:00) ? Whitney and Layla on Dancing With the Stars: How Whitney?s season arc shifted, why she ran to St. George, and where friendships stand now.

(00:31:12) ? Filming Logistics & The Reality of MomTok Fame: Five-day shooting weeks, who films the most, why kids stay off camera, and protecting boundaries.

(00:36:24) ? The Mormon Community, Image Management & Garments Era: Initial backlash, cultural shifts, and how converting helped Layla during a dark chapter.

(00:41:36) ? Hair Journeys, Identity & Reclaiming Self-Image: Layla?s switch to a new hairstylist, the emotional weight of fitting in, and the sweetest glow-up.

(00:46:48) ? Sex, Orgasm Taboo & Mormon Girlhood: Vibrators, sexual shame, becoming orgasmic, and the DMs that poured in after Layla opened up.

(00:52:00) ? Taylor, Dakota & the Endless Loop: Did Dakota hook up with a ?friend?? Did he hook up with Leanne? (No.) Their impossible chemistry examined.

(00:56:12) ? Post-Interview Chat: Lauren and Chanler grace us with their presence and chat about the weekly topics.

(01:10:50) ? BravoCon Energy & The Return of Flipping Out: Jeff Lewis is coming back, Chandler battles loyalty to Heather McDonald, and the girls debate the greatest shows on Bravo.

(01:14:50) ? Wendy Williams: Conservatorship, Not Dementia: The reveal that Wendy doesn?t have dementia, $200k Uber Eats bill, and how banks flag erratic spending.

(01:20:00) ? The Tina Brown Era Returns: Why Tina is core to Pop Apologists history, her NYT interview, and why they?re obsessed.

(01:26:00) ? Queen Elizabeth Shielding Prince Andrew: How the late Queen?s loyalty shielded Andrew, creating an environment where he stayed safely tucked behind palace walls even as pressure mounted.

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Lauren and Chanler are back, and the delusion is in-season. From Golden Bachelor heartbreak to Kardashian conspiracies, the girls spiral through the week?s most unserious chaos ? with morally corrupt pranks, PR flops, and billionaire birthday parties galore.

Lauren kicks things off with a sick-in-the-head deep dive into Gerry Turner?s memoir (yes, the Golden Bachelor himself) and her impassioned ?Justice for Theresa? movement. The sisters unpack Lauren?s morally bankrupt auntie era and Pookie & Jett?s Hermès-themed first birthday party for Paloma. Lastly, the sisters break down Kris Jenner?s 70th bash ? complete with appearances from Jeff Bezos, Meghan Markle, and Kim K?s TikTok vlog.

They also dive into the All?s Fair premiere, Kim?s alleged bar exam failure, Shay Mitchell?s controversial kids? skincare line, and a Taylor Swift wedding theory that might just send the internet into cardiac arrest.

(00:00:00) ? Tuesday confessionals, NYC weather updates, and prepping for the Layla interview.

(00:03:42) ? Lauren?s Golden Bachelor memoir deep dive + the ?Smoothies for Theresa? merch moment.

(00:09:15) ? The $20 prank that turned Lauren into a morally bankrupt auntie.

(00:14:50) ? Pookie & Jett?s Hermès birthday: the influencer-industrial complex strikes again.

(00:22:11) ? Kris Jenner?s 70th birthday: Jeff Bezos hosting, Harry & Meghan?s attendance, and Kim K?s party vlog.

(00:27:39) ? Meghan Markle pregnancy rumor + Kim?s post-party photo dump drama.

(00:33:08) ? Kim fails the bar exam: ChatGPT-coded announcement + ?future lawyer? jokes gone wrong.

(00:40:25) ? All?s Fair review: Kim?s camp masterpiece + the unrealistic ?ass-out? suit.

(00:52:19) ? Shay Mitchell?s kids? skincare line and the unhinged influencer logic behind it.

(00:59:34) ? Taylor Swift?s rumored bridesmaids list + wedding speculation spirals.

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Lauren?s back from a 24-hour flu, a hangover, and a full-blown moving meltdown ? and somehow lived to tell the tale. Meanwhile, Chanler holds down the fort (and books an exclusive with their celebrity sister, Courtney Grow). Before Chan interviews Courtney, the girls dive in to a couple of headlining stories. From Hugh Jackman?s ex plotting a bombshell tell-all, to David Harbour?s cringe Esquire interview, to Prince Andrew finally being stripped of his titles ? the girls cover every messy man making headlines this week.

They also get into Meghan Markle?s latest Page Six rumor, the Vanderpump Rules reboot that nobody asked for, and the rise and fall of The Row?s ?cool girl? mystique ? before Courtney joins for a deep dive on Botox, luxury retail horror stories, and why she?s done being treated like gum on someone?s shoe.

(00:00:00) ? Lauren?s weekend from hell: hungover move, the flu, and Kagen?s ?water safety training.?

(00:08:27) ? Deborra-Lee Furness? revenge memoir: Hugh Jackman fallout + ?shop that tell-all, baby.?

(00:11:44) ? David Harbour?s Esquire interview, Lily Allen?s comeback, and the ?artist excuse? for adultery.

(00:15:33) ? Millie Bobby Brown?s harassment claim against David Harbour + Netflix?s silence.

(00:34:57) ? Prince Andrew stripped of royal titles: why the palace only acts when it?s self-preservation.

(00:40:10) ? Vanderpump Rules reboot: why lightning never strikes twice.

(00:46:19) ? Courtney Grow joins: Botox, Sculptra, and exosome intel.

(00:54:00) ? The Row drama: influencer backlash, jelly shoe horror stories, and sample-sale delusion.

(01:08:00) ? Luxury retail icks: ?oh honey, we don?t messenger to Brooklyn.?

(01:10:00) ? Marriage after four kids: sex, exhaustion, and staying connected.

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Lauren and Chan are back for Episode 300 (!) and the pop culture chaos did not take a week off. From The Row?s unhinged sample sale ? where minimalism met full delusion ? to Lily Allen?s scathing divorce album, the girls unpack every inch of the internet?s collective spiral.

They also dive into Lori Loughlin?s marriage fallout (and the rumors that won?t die), Nara Smith?s suspiciously glamorous postpartum content, and why men ? from Hugh Jackman to David Harbour ? will, indeed, fail you every time.

(00:00:00) ? Back in the studio: weekend wedding + running into an ex - the reality vs our fantasies.

(00:18:00) ? The Row sample-sale deep dive: lines, $900 blazers, and why the internet lost it.

(00:24:00) ? Row receipts: what actually looked good (and what looked like Banana Republic).

(00:29:00) ? Lori Loughlin & Mossimo Giannulli: rumors, strip-club reports and prenup talk.

(00:41:22) ?Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau seen leaving Crazy Horse in Paris.

(00:45:00) ? Nara Smith: postpartum photo debate ? virtue messaging vs. thirst trap.

(00:52:00) ? Trigger Warning: the new, horrifying allegations against Prince Andrew.

(01:04:00) ? Lily Allen ? West End Girl: the album as a breakup audiobook + David Harbour fallout.

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Lauren and Chan are back this week breaking down the royal exile heard ?round the world ? Prince William reportedly won?t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation. Then, Gwyneth Paltrow calls her biographer a ?hack? (and compares herself to Steve Jobs). Jennifer Lopez?s ex-husband also reappears with a full Notes App essay, Kristen Bell accidentally offends the internet, and The Louvre?s missing jewels become the chicest crime of the year.

00:00 ? Chanler?s influencer trip with Courtney & Lauren?s water crisis in Puerto Rico

09:10 ? The viral ?money must flow? theory and Ben?s reaction to spending

11:05 ? Kristen Bell?s dark anniversary caption during Domestic Violence Awareness Month

24:30 ? Gwyneth Paltrow?s British Vogue interview and her ?hack? comment about Amy Odell

31:10 ? J.Lo?s ex-husband?s unhinged Instagram essay about their 11-month marriage

40:55 ? John Stamos calls Lori Loughlin?s ex ?a terrible narcissist?

48:55 ? The Mango founder?s deadly ?fall? and suspicious family drama

58:40 ? The Louvre?s crown jewel heist ? how it happened in 7 minutes

1:04:20 ? Prince William won?t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation

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We sit down with NYC dermatology PA and friend of the pod, Alison Lester, for a deep, practical walk-through of modern aesthetics. We cover when to start Botox (and how often), why provider credentials and restraint matter, what?s actually behind the ?no-tox? scare posts, and the truth about filler?migration, overfilling, dissolving, and why ?villain era? is mostly bad work, not bad products. We also map a sane skincare routine (the three essentials!), tackle melasma without wrecking your skin barrier, compare lasers (IPL/BBL vs. Clear + Brilliant/Moxi vs. CO?), and get real about masseter Botox, jowls, Sculptra, Morpheus8, and surgical timing. High-yield, no gatekeeping.

04:45 ? ? How to choose a qualified injector (credentials, ethics, taste)

07:10 ? ? Botox 101: When to start, 12?16 week cadence, ?collagen paperclip? analogy

12:00 ? ? Botox brands explained (why Alison prefers on-label Botox for predictability)

19:20 ? ? ?No-tox? & safety: botulism fears, real risks vs. viral anecdotes

22:00 ? ? Filler truth: migration, overfilling, ethics, and why good work is invisible

28:15 ? ? Smile lines & ?smoker lines?: skin boosters, lasers, Botox microlines strategy

31:10 ? ? Under-eyes & dark circles: pinch test, lasers vs. bleph, why under-eye filler is rare

37:30 ? ? Skincare that works: the 3 essentials (antioxidant/Vit C, sunscreen, retinoid)

43:00 ? ?? Melasma game plan: low-and-slow, microneedling, Pico/Clear + Brilliant, TXA/Botox microdosing

46:30 ? ?? Devices decoded: IPL/BBL, Clear + Brilliant/Moxi, CO?; when each shines

48:00 ? ? Morpheus8: where it helps? and where it?s overhyped (fat loss risk)

49:30 ? ? Sculptra: what it is, where to place, surgery considerations

54:00 ? ? Masseter Botox & jowls: who?s at risk and how to counteract it

56:30 ? ? Early jowl fixes vs. facelift timing; neck bands & prejowl filler

1:02:00 ? ? Dissolving filler: myths, ultrasound, and maintenance mindset

1:06:00 ? ? Aesthetic dysmorphia & ?filler blindness?: evolving standards of beauty

1:09:00 ? ? How injector perspective changes over time

1:12:00 ? ?? Seeing natural aging vs. intervention signs

1:21:00 ? ? Best lasers for pores + ?moon crater? fix talk

1:24:00 ? ? Fraxel vs. Clear + Brilliant / Moxi / Ultra for melasma

1:27:00 ? ?? Laser heat depth and flare risk

1:30:00 ? ? LED vs. laser masks

1:33:00 ? ? Skincare layering & barrier repair

1:36:00 ? ? Retinoids, exfoliants, and realistic routines

1:39:00 ? ???? Long-term maintenance mindset

1:45:00 ? ? Provider red flags & aesthetic ethics

1:48:00 ? ? Future of injectables and devices

1:54:00 ? ? Virtual consults, office info, and booking process

1:57:00 ? ? Alison?s NYC location + pricing overview

2:00:00 ? ? Wrap-up + goodbye

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It?s The Life of a Showgirl week, and Lauren & Chanler are in full Swiftie-monastery mode ??. From champagne chaos to lyrical deep dives, the sisters break down Taylor?s new album track by track ? from the haunting beauty of ?The Fate of Ophelia? and the cinematic glow of ?Elizabeth Taylor,? to the swagger of ?Father Figure? and the ache of ?Eldest Daughter.? They unpack fan theories, emotional whiplash, and what this new Taylor era really says about growing up in public. ??

00:00 ? ? Cold open: champagne mishap, ?we?re ensconced,? and setting the stage for Showgirl

03:40 ? ? First-listen vs. private-listen energy ? what this album demands from its listeners

07:05 ? ? A special message from Lauren for Swifties contending with this album

11:15 ? ? Lyric discourse & ?range? talk ? the internet?s hottest takes meet Pop Apologists analysis

16:50 ? ? Track 1: The Fate of Ophelia ? Hamlet lore, megaphone/TNT references, and dance-bop redemption

21:00 ? ? Track 2: Elizabeth Taylor ? Portofino, engagement reads, and ?cry my eyes violet? becomes canon

29:20 ? ? Track 3: Opalite ? opal-sky joy, lightness after darkness, and a subtle jab at the phone-obsessed ex

36:40 ? ?? Track 4: Father Figure ? Borchetta-to-Braun power flip, mob-movie fantasy, and ?this empire belongs to me?

47:10 ? ? Track 5: Eldest Daughter ? internet apathy vs. sincerity, bridge of the album, ?I said I was busy ? that was a lie?

54:25 ? ?? Track 6: Ruin the Friendship ? false Blake Lively hopes, grief, nostalgia, and second-period heartbreak

1:03:00 ? ? Track 7: Actually Romantic ? the Charlie XCX feud unpacked, petty meets poetic

1:11:50 ? ? Track 8: Wi$h Li$t ? ambition, consumerism, and the cost of wanting everything

1:19:15 ? ? Track 9: Wood ? sensual domestic peace and the ?grown-up? Taylor love song

1:27:05 ? ? Track 10: Cancelled! ? chaos, commentary, and whether it?s satire or self-own

1:34:30 ? ? Track 11: Honey ? sweetness, defiance, and soft healing energy

1:38:10 ? ? Track 12: The Life of a Showgirl (ft. Sabrina Carpenter) ? a shimmering closer on fame, femininity & control

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We kick off with an intro-music meltdown (ft. cursed AI jingle) before diving into Taylor Swift album week?no leaks, only joy. Then Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco?s whimsical wedding, the viral Taylor ?toast? rumor, and Super Bowl halftime buzz. Sister Wives returns with Cody & Robyn?s monogamy vows and chaos, followed by the shock split of Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban, Reese?s spot-on impression, and our call to rename the fandom (RIP Pop Apostles ?).

00:00 ? ? Intro Music Meltdown: our theme song fails + AI jingle disaster

05:00 ? ? Taylor Swift Album Week: why we?re banning leaks and spoilers

08:00 ? ?? Therapy & Scheduling: keeping sane during launch week

12:00 ? ? Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco?s Wedding: details on the ceremony + guests

16:30 ? ? Taylor Swift?s Speech at the Wedding: breaking down the viral ?toast? rumor

22:30 ? ?? Selena?s Wedding Guests: umbrellas, privacy rules, and Ralph Lauren looks

26:00 ? ? Ed Sheeran at the Wedding: the performance and reactions

28:00 ? ?? Super Bowl Halftime Rumors: who?s in, who turned it down, and why it matters

39:00 ? ? Sister Wives Season 20: Cody?s ?I?m a guy? comment and family pushback

45:00 ? ? Cody & Robyn?s Monogamy Dinner: ?You and me, baby?monogamy? moment

52:00 ? ? Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Separation: what we know so far

56:30 ? ? Celebrity Couple Rankings: rethinking our ?Mount Rushmore of Monogamy?

1:01:00 ? ? Reese Witherspoon Imitates Nicole Kidman: lighthearted moment + Nicole?s future

1:02:30 ? ? Closing Thoughts: retiring ?Papa Apostles? and picking a new fandom name

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We go long on two very different ?nepo baby? journeys: Zoë Kravitz?from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history?then pivot to Gracie Abrams?JJ?s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing ?Us? with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they ?nepo?? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen.

Chapter Timestamps

00:00 ? ?? Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 ? ? Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 ? ? Topanga vs. ? Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 ? ?? Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 ? ? Indie starts ? X-Men, Divergent17:30 ? ? Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 ? ? The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 ? ? Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)24:00 ? ? YSL muse energy + ?getting ready? vibe check26:00 ? ? Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 ? ? Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 ? ? Paris wedding vibes ? divorce ? Channing arc (engaged ?23, split ?24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 ? ?? Mini ?scandals?: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 ? ? Ad Break (Macy?s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 ? ? Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA ? Barnard56:30 ? ? First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 ? ? ?I Miss You, I?m Sorry? becomes a thing63:00 ? ? Sour tour ? ERAS opener, Taylor collab ?Us?68:00 ? ? Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 ? ?? The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 ? ? Wrap + who we should deep-dive next

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?? Episode Summary

Sisters catch-up (? wardrobe wars + ?? travel dread), Meta?s new auto-dubbing weirdness ?, Meghan?s jam saga ?, Ireland Baldwin?s love letter to Hilaria ??, Pamela + Liam?PR or passion? ?, Kyle & Mauricio?s family vibes at Alexia?s wedding ?, Kendall & Gigi?s Vogue cowgirl cover ??, Kate?s rapid un-blonding ????, Taylor?s understated ring price ??, the wild Turkey height-reduction surgery trend ?, and a deep dive on The Cut?s ?Forever 35 Face? facelift wave ????.

?? Chapter Timestamps

00:00 ? Plunging necklines ?, sister outfit politics, and setting the vibe

03:30 ? Long-haul Hawaii flight fear ?: meds, meals, and economy survival

09:30 ? Meta auto-dubbing our reels ?: mouths match, voices cloned

12:15 ? Meghan?s jam: the refund that arrived? open ?

16:00 ? Ireland Baldwin?s glowing ode to Hilaria ??

21:00 ? Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: PR stunt or real fling? ?

24:30 ? WWHL night out + Maude Apatow memory lane ?

28:00 ? Kyle & Mauricio walk Alexia down the aisle ??????

32:00 ? Vogue cover: Kendall & Gigi?s ranch chic ? vs. ?too cool? debate

41:00 ? Kate Middleton un-blondes back to brunette ????

45:30 ? Taylor?s vintage-style ring ?: why the $250k estimate makes sense

48:00 ? Turkey?s height-reduction surgeries ??

53:00 ? The Cut?s ?Forever 35 Face?: facelifts at 35?! ????

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Therapy can wait?pop culture can?t. Lauren and Chanler unpack With Love, Megan (why José Andrés is the missing co-host), the Pamela Anderson × Liam Neeson ?PR bake-off,? why couple-prank TikToks feel like Dante?s 9th circle, a viral aesthetician chemical-peel horror story, Brittany Mahomes? 30th with Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena?s Cabo bachelorette, and the latest Kris Jenner/Corey Gamble breakup rumblings. Tech gremlins struck mid-record?so we?re unlocking our joyous Taylor Swift × Travis Kelce engagement special (timeline, ring, and Ed Kelsey revelations). Vote in our Spotify poll for next deep dive!

Chapter Timestamps

00:00 ? Therapist on hold; Lauren?s solo PR weekend & With Love, Megan ??

02:30 ? Why the show needs a high-energy foil (enter José Andrés) ?

05:00 ? Pamela × Liam: PR stunt?or PR about a PR stunt? ?

14:00 ? TikTok ?I pranked my husband? couples = actual nightmare ?

19:30 ? The Beverly Hills chemical-peel disaster & safety PSA ?

24:10 ? Brittany?s 30th: Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena?s Cabo trip ?

27:10 ? Kris & Corey rumor mill, NDAs, and ?payday? threats ?

34:00 ? Tech issues ? unlocked: Taylor & Travis engagement special ?

35:30 ? Backyard proposal, timeline, and first reactions ?

38:00 ? Chandler sees the engagement news mid?Q&A, Lauren in therapy ?

41:00 ? Group chat chaos: only two on FaceTime at first ?

43:30 ? Champagne at 10 a.m.; heteronormative jokes & name-change debate ?

47:00 ? Proposal vibe: private, cozy, not performative ?

50:00 ? Engagement timeline decoded: why now ?

52:30 ? Ed Kelsey?s viral quote: ?She was getting antsy? ??

55:00 ? Reading the photos: backyard setting, candid feel ?

58:00 ? Headphone-crease Easter egg & Swiftie sleuthing ?

1:01:00 ? Why Travis works: antidote to Taylor?s brooding-artist exes ??

1:04:00 ? The ring: vintage aesthetic, Swift-coded style ?

1:08:00 ? Family lore: Swift & Kelsey group chat reactions ???????

1:11:00 ? Wrapping the joy: Taylor?s new ?domestic, happy? era ?

1:12:00 ? Proposal vibes revisited: cozy backyard details ?

1:15:00 ? Timing theories: career windows, 2-year milestone, tour break ?

1:18:00 ? Ed Kelsey quote unpacked: Swiftie reactions ??

1:22:00 ? Close-reading leaked pics: candid vibes & headphone crease ?

1:26:00 ? Why Travis balances Taylor?s past loves ??

1:30:00 ? Ring deep dive: cut, carat, vintage inspiration ?

1:34:00 ? Family group chat lore & reactions ???????

1:38:00 ? Wrapping with joy: Taylor?s fairytale moment ?

1:41:00 ? Engagement euphoria cool-down: what this means for her next era ?

1:47:00 ? Back to With Love, Meghan: struggle to fill content, ?thank God for Taylor?s engagement? ?

1:48:00 ? Brutal timing: teaser same day as New Heights pod + engagement on premiere ??

1:49:00 ? Not ?Meghan-coded,? just bad luck; no Harry, only crew at finale ?

1:49:30 ? Meghan × cameraman (glasses guy) = more chemistry than guests ??

1:50:00 ? Rosewater spray = rare fun sparkle ?? ? sign-off: ?Love you guys, see you Wednesday!?

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Gwyneth wipes her IG avatar and drops a cinematic ?new chapter? reel?memoir incoming? We connect the dots, then dive into that Ben Affleck discourse (technically excellent? and reportedly livid). Next up: Burning Man déjà-dust, Zoë Kravitz?s very public summer (Harry Styles, Austin Butler), and the legendary ?snake in Taylor?s bathroom? story. Serena Williams opens up about GLP-1s and a Ro partnership, we unpack the optics, and we parse those Wayfarer/Justin Baldoni court docs everyone?s calling a ?smear campaign? against Blake Lively. Finally, RHOSLC?s chaotic trailer and a very cute 30th birthday recap. Buckle in. 

00:00 Intro & studio glow-up + brunette banter ?????

04:00 Burning Man dust-storm PTSD & ?art cars are? floats?? ???

15:00 Gwyneth?s IG wipe + collage reel: is it a book? ??

19:00 Ben Affleck ?livid? over bedroom chatter (Amy Odell tie-in) ???

25:00 Zoë x Harry (and Austin), hotness rankings, boyish vs. broad ???

32:00 Taylor Swift snake story: bathroom demolition for a reptile ??

36:00 Serena Williams on GLP-1s + Ro partnership: destigmatize or #ad? ??

39:00 Chandler turns 30: art, rings, and three massive bouquets ??

43:00 Wayfarer/?smear? headlines vs. what the docs actually say ???

47:00 RHOSLC trailer chaos: powdered wigs & pointed reads ??

50:00 Meghan Markle chatter: rebrands, shade, and Sussex fatigue ??

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From a brazen Food52 embezzlement to Meghan?s Netflix ?first-look? spin, plus Margaret Qualley?s cringe moment, K-Fed?s tell-all, Leo?s eternal 32?and the nothing-burger ?dark truth? about Pooky & Jet. 

00:00 ? ? Cold open: today?s menu

01:00 ? ? Chan turns 30 (homebody chic)

05:20 ? ? Food52 scandal: Studio 52, luxe receipts, and ?how did no one notice?? 

12:30 ? ? Meghan?s trailer vs. Taylor?s takeover (and why the vibes feel copy-paste S1) 

18:40 ? ? The jukebox-parlor music bit & what would actually make Meghan?s show pop 

23:10 ? ? Netflix ?first-look? explained (not a fat renewal?here?s what it really means) 

27:20 ? ? Margaret Qualley?s awkward answer about Taylor & Jack (tone tells all) 

31:00 ? ? K-Fed?s tell-all and Sam Asghari?s ?professional father? crack 

35:10 ? ? Why ?full-time dad? ? hero arc (context matters) 

36:30 ? ? Leo ?feels 32? (and the obvious joke) 

39:45 ? ? Pooky & Jet: the ?dark truth? that wasn?t (performative ? sinister) 

45:00 ? ? Lightning round: what show should the Sussexes actually make?

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Taylor Swift just hijacked the entire Pop Apologists docket ? and Chanler & Lauren are living for it! From cryptic orange sparkles to a khaki skirt, a mint briefcase, and one very un-Swift-like F-bomb, the girls deep-dive every Easter egg, theory, and reveal surrounding TS12. Plus, a swoon-worthy GQ profile of Travis Kelce, the TikTok saga that broke their brains, and a dash of celeb vow renewal gossip to round it out.

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00:00 ? ? TS12 announcement reactions & New Heights teaser

07:00 ? ? Album sound rumors & producer lineup

15:00 ? ? Release date theories & cover art leaks

20:00 ? ? Why Taylor choosing a podcast is a power move

25:00 ? ????? Easter eggs that led to TS12

35:00 ? ? Album title debate: Life of a Showgirl

39:00 ? ? Playlist clues & production style predictions

40:00 ? ? Travis Kelce?s GQ profile & relationship insights

47:00 ? ? Travis on Taylor?s work ethic & humility

53:00 ? ? Childhood, family values & shared backgrounds

57:00 ? ? Nicola Peltz & Brooklyn Beckham vow renewal

59:00 ? ? ?I Fell in Love with My Psychiatrist? TikTok deep dive

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Gwyneth Paltrow might be one of the most beautiful, hated, privileged, and mystifying celebrities alive?and this week, Chanler sits down with journalist and author Amy Odell to unpack it all. From Oscar meltdowns to Goop jade eggs and $200K necklaces, the girls dig into what makes Gwyneth so adored? and so triggering.

(00:00:00) ? ?Introduction to Gwyneth: The Biography by Amy Odell

(00:01:55) ? Why choose Gwyneth Paltrow for the next biography?

(00:05:20) ? Her Oscar win & the $200K necklace

(00:09:01) ? The bubble of her bi-coastal, wealthy childhood

(00:11:47) ? From dramatic roles to comedic flops

(00:17:55) ? What Gwyneth represents and why she is a trigger to some

(00:24:36) ? Goop work culture and employee drama

(00:29:39) ?? The future of Goop and the Target line failure

(00:39:27) ? Insights on the 220 people interviewed for the biography

(00:42:32) ? Growing up in the shadow of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner

(00:59:32) ? Gwyneth?s love interests throughout the years

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Lauren?s back from Italy and just in time ? because Travis dropped a 13-photo grid hard launching Taylor that basically broke the internet. Chanler catches her up on every sparkly-filtered slide. The girls question if this could mean wedding bells? And the real reason so many brands chimed in on the comment section.

(00:00:00) ?? Postcards from Italy ? Lauren?s friend-filled vacation and her texting boundaries abroad

 (00:06:28) ? Taylor & Travis Go Public ? 13 photos, soft-launch culture, and the wholesome vibes of each pic

 (00:19:07) ? The Filter Debate ? Sparkly edits, signature cameras, and why Taylor?s aesthetic never changes

 (00:20:20) ? Chrishell & G Flip?s Third Wedding ? Medieval theme, guest fatigue, and how to lose friends annually

 (00:23:48) ? Beckham Family Feud ? Cursed Notes, Instagram blocks, awkward weddings, and very public shade

 (00:36:18) ? Yacht Wars ? $16M vs. billionaire-level $400M boats, and Sir Elton?s peacekeeping tour

 (00:44:05) ? The Coldplay Kiss-Cam Scandal ? Public makeouts, lawsuits, and the downfall of Astronomer

 (00:51:00) ? Gwyneth?s Surprise Cameo ? Her comedic timing, rumored $2M payout, and the copper-fit hustle

 (00:56:20) ? Goop vs. Rhode ? Hailey Bieber?s billion-dollar exit vs. Gwyneth?s grind

 (00:58:00) ? What?s Next ? Matty Healy?s mom, Katy Perry, Sydney Sweeney and more coming in Friday?s Global Elite episode

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In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning ? with expert advice from Laura herself.

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(00:00:00) ? Where to Start ? the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters

(00:08:32) ? Defining Your Style ? avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision

(00:16:40) ? Making It Meaningful ? how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative

(00:22:13) ? The Guest List Equation ? setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention

(00:28:48) ? Avoiding the Spiral ? decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much

(00:37:05) ? Dress Wisdom ? why it?s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in

(00:43:41) ? Capturing the Moment ? trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present

(00:52:20) ? Final Advice ? Laura?s golden rule, Ben?s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritize

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This week, Lauren and Chanler sit down with the legendary jewelry designer, Jade Trau, for a glimmering deep dive into the art of jewelry that empowers, carries memories, and actually fits your lifestyle. From self-gifting diamond bracelets to refreshing engagement rings, this episode is a masterclass in fine jewelry. ?

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(00:00:00) ? The Roman Empire Is Real ? Lauren?s obsession with Jade, push presents, and showroom dreams

(00:10:05) ? Imposter Syndrome & Value ? deciding to do the thing anyway

(00:18:34) ? Jewelry As Identity ? self-purchasing women, wearable power, and middle finger diamonds

(00:28:41) ? Jewelry & Sustainability ? vintage stones, timelessness, and why it?s not like fast fashion

(00:36:12) ? Where to Start ? fine jewelry 101: ears first, personality always

(00:39:48) ? Styling with Intention ? when jewelry feels like you, and why that?s everything

(00:44:55) ? Engagement Ring Refresh ? what?s trending (or not), and how to reimagine your forever

(00:55:40) ? Red Flags ? what to watch for in quality, materials, and brands

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From crayon-sketched love letters to a full-blown national manhunt, Lauren and Chanler unravel the sharpest left turn in Pop Apologists history. What starts as a casual Bin Laden doc spiral turns into a CIA-level obsession, a George Bush fangirl confession, and an unhinged (but stunning) PR breakdown of America?s longest-running villain arc.

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(00:05:00) ? Why Bin Laden? ? Netflix recs, moral anxiety, and Obama?s situation room doc teaser

(00:08:30) ???? Osama Bin Laden Origins ? Billionaire roots, Mecca PR flops, and why he ghosted Saudi royalty

(00:14:10) ? First Attacks + Fatwas ? The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings and FBI?s first miss

(00:22:55) ?? 9/11 Memories ? Living in New York post-attack, national grief, and the last time we all agreed on something

(00:24:10) ? Chanler?s Letter to George Bush ? American flags, colored pencils, and ?wonderful presidents?

(00:36:00) ????? The Woman Behind the Win ? Torture, aliases, and the analyst who refused to let go

(00:43:25) ? Obama?s Big Call ? Debating the odds, scheduling the raid, and the worst neighbors ever

(00:48:05) ? The Kill Shot ? 40 minutes, a hallway, and the quietest end to a global obsession

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It?s a LadyGang x Pop Apologists crossover! No dating dilemma is safe. Lauren and Chanler join forces with Becca, Keltie, and Jac to break down the ultimate red flags in a man. Everything from mattress-on-the-floor energy to exes who still use Snapchat. They swap stories about musicians with ?permanent rizz,? weigh in on cat dads, cargo pants, and settle the debate once and for all: Can a man be too outdoorsy? 

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(00:00:00) ?? The Girlies Meet ? LadyGang joins the Pop Apologists for a red flag reckoning

(00:03:00) ? Dating the Same Guy from Panic! at the Disco ? Mutual exes, fan blogs, and teen heartbreak origins

(00:06:00) ? Does Musician Rizz Expire? ? Hot now, not later, and the Mark McGrath paradox

(00:09:15) ? Cargo Pants + Brad Falchuk ? Gwyneth?s husband, Roman Empires, and unexpected green flags

(00:11:50) ? Reels, Ring Lights, and the Male Influencer Ick ? Social media addiction as a red flag

(00:17:00) ?? Furniture Fails + Red Flag Decor ? Gaming chairs, mom co-signs, and bean bag nightmares

(00:22:00) ? Venmos, Vibes, and Financial Reality Checks ? Mint accounts, fake entrepreneurs, and how to math the math

(00:28:30) ?? Camping Trauma + Capitalism Compatibility ? Tarps, canyons, and the war on flip flops

(00:35:40) ? Prenups, Debt Reveals, and the $10 Million Lie ? Financial transparency vs. love blindness

(00:44:55) ? Do Men Ever Change? ? Ryan Ross, Jax Taylor, and the myth of the reformed cheater

(00:47:10) ? Snapchat and Other Modern Red Flags ? Disappearing messages, ex-girlfriend mysteries, and online horniness

(00:48:40) ? Sam Asghari: General Contractor Edition ? Why construction jobs might be the new green flag

(00:50:10) ? Do He Go Down Though? ? Oral reciprocity, period squeamishness, and what it says about him

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This week, the ultimate chaos agent Jessi Ngatikaura joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about fame, friendship feuds, and what really goes down behind the scenes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. From business blow-ups to relationship red flags, Jessi doesn?t hold back?and neither do your hosts. ?

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(00:00:00) ? Behind the Curtain ? What Jessi didn?t expect when the show dropped, and how Utah reacted IRL.

(00:04:58) ???? Faith, Hair, and Fallout ? Running a business in Utah County, balancing Mormon expectations, and bracing for public backlash.

(00:10:58) ? Jen & Zac?s Messy Arc ? Church drama, text receipts, and one unexpected redemption arc.

(00:14:50) ? Taylor Frankie Paul: Icon or Chaos? ? Jessi?s real-life friendship with Taylor, her thoughts on Dakota, and what we didn?t see on camera.

(00:18:30) ? Hairgate + Demigeddon ? What really went down at Saints & Sinners, and why one healing session couldn?t fix the betrayal.

(00:26:00) ? Layla, Miranda, and the Spicy Cast Additions ? Who brought it, who played it safe, and what?s coming next.

(00:32:10) ? Mormon Marriage + Glow-Ups ? Jessi on her thyroid surgery, plastic surgery transparency, and the cultural double standards in Utah.

(00:38:40) ? Swinging Culture + Mormon Complications ? Upside-down pineapples, spiritual loopholes, and what the church says (or doesn?t) about ketamine.

(00:43:15) ?? Mikayla vs. Whitney ? Feuds, fractures, and where Jessi sees it all heading next season.

(00:46:40) ? MomTok Constitution? ? Breadwinners, Botox, and redefining Mormon motherhood on TikTok.

(00:50:05) ? Viewer DMs Save Lives ? How Jessi caught a thyroid issue thanks to vigilant fans, and what her recovery journey looked like.

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Lauren and Chanler spiral through the chaos of quitting corporate life, the psychosis of mushroom pilots, and why Planet Bibi wants you to orgasm for an hour. They unpack Meghan and Harry?s long game (including a 2027 olive branch??), compare two wildly tone-deaf weddings, and read anonymous Hampton confessions that will make you think twice before trusting any Birkin. Plus: what Alex Cooper?s doc revealed, and how a TikTok account inspires Lauren.

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(00:00) ? Chanler?s Meta exit, full-time freedom, and reclaiming her brain

(08:05) ?? Plane crash psychosis + how to boof your way out of a nosedive

(13:02) ? Pilot on mushrooms and Lauren?s derealization trip in Mexico

(19:07) ? Planet Bibi's 25 orgasms + bedroom ergonomics exposed

(23:04) ? Alex Cooper?s doc, her stalker coach, and becoming a one-woman media empire

(29:01) ?? Meghan Markle ends her podcast (again) + Emma Grede keeps it real

(32:46) ? Meghan & Harry?s 2027 olive branch, royal family freeze-out, and Charles shade

(36:55) ? Blake?s plantation wedding backlash + Bezos & Lauren?s chaotic Venice plans

(41:01) ? Taylor and Blake?s texts ruled admissible?what are they hiding?

(44:46) ?? Daily Dose Donna?s site visit + Blake?s wedding venue in question

(51:21) ? Hamptons club debt, fake Birkins, and financial denial in zip code 11937

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This one?s for the girls who grew up on TRL, cried to Fearless, and low-key still know all the words to ?He Could Be the One.? Nora Princiotti joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about the evolution of authenticity in pop, Miley?s totally unfiltered bombshells, and whether Taylor Swift might be pulling off the greatest long game in music history.

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(00:00) ? Introduction ? Meet Nora Princiotti and the book that rewrites pop history: Hit Girls.

(04:58) ??? Authenticity in Pop ? Ashlee Simpson, Avril Lavigne, and why being ?real? became a trap.

(10:22) ? Poptimism vs Rockism ? What?s ?real music? anyway? We dive into the early 2000s? biggest culture war.

(19:00) ? Interviewing Miley Cyrus ? Nora?s interview with Miley, unfiltered stories, and emotional honesty from the popstar.

(26:00) ? Miley Album Recs ? Where to start if you?ve only heard ?Flowers? and ?Party in the U.S.A.?

(36:10) ? ?Since U Been Gone? ? The story behind Kelly Clarkson?s scream-your-heart-out hit and the pop comeback no one saw coming.

(43:56) ? Taylor Swift ? The rerecords, the rage, and her business plays... Did she devalue her own masters on purpose?

(47:58) ? Brat Summer & Cowboy Carter ? Cultural saturation, chart performance, and what we?re actually listening to.

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If you like chaos, congratulations, this episode is tailor-made for you. We?ve got major courtroom drama in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case, Taylor Swift blending into Travis Kelce?s family wedding, Meghan Markle twerking (?), and a manifestation debate no one asked for. Plus, the woo-woo polyamory breakdown that needs to be studied.

(00:00) ????? Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni - Court bombshells, conspiracy theories, and one very shady filing.

(12:59) ? Taylor Swift at Travis Kelce?s Family Wedding - We?re talking dresses, dancing, and? was that a Swiftie infiltration?

(19:46) ? Meghan Markle?s Hospital Dance Video - Is it cute or is it cringe? Discuss.

(26:13) ? Hailey Bieber?s Therapeutic Summer - Instagram captions don?t lie. We decode.

(31:59) ? Lauren Bostick Manifested Motherhood - What she said about fertility broke the internet. Let?s unpack.

(42:28) ? Expanded Monogamy, Burning Man, and The Goddess Pipeline - Truly one of the craziest things we?ve ever covered. Brandy Melville models involved.

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Chanler?s back from the flight from hell?complete with zero legroom, tarmac heat, and a bralette breakdown. Lauren lands from St. Barth and immediately roasts the snack box struggle. The sisters debrief their Juicy Scoop appearance, dish on Brooklyn upgrades, and dive into the latest Karen Read courtroom twists. Then it?s The Valley's most overblown scandal (a pantry tequila swig??), Blake Lively?s legal backpedaling, Taylor Swift?s mini dress moment, and why Ubah?s fiancé might be the hottest man in Bravo history.

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[00:00] ?? Flight from Hell ? Chanler barely survives United's final row with no AC, no food, and full claustrophobia. She strips. Literally.

[10:00] ? Juicy Scoop & Jet Lag ? Post-interview blackout and a proud sister moment over their Heather McDonald appearance.

[11:30] ? Brooklyn Era Incoming ? Chanler shares details on her dreamy new apartment: double square footage and heated bathroom floors.

[15:00] ?? Karen Read Trial Gets Messier ? FBI investigations, hostile witnesses, and a town with collective amnesia. It?s getting wild.

[20:00] ? Pantrygate on The Valley ? Did a secret tequila swig mean more? Janet stirs the pot hard and the girls call BS on the drinking drama.

[25:00] ? Jesse & Michelle Meltdown ? Jesse?s verbal abuse, Michelle?s glow-up, and why divorce might?ve saved her personality.

[28:00] ? Blake Lively's Legal Retreat ? She?s trying to drop the emotional distress claim?but keep her options open? We see you, Blake.

[33:00] ? Sutton Foster Steps Out (Silently) ? Hugh Jackman?s girlfriend skips the press line while Deborra-Lee Furness drops spiritual shade.

[36:00] ? Taylor Swift at Monkey Bar ? Black mini dress, diamond tennis bracelet, and... platform heels? The girls weigh in on the look.

[40:00] ? Bethenny?s Bikini Clapback ? Bethenny hits the swimwear runway and defends her ?cute tush.? The sisters are divided.

[45:00] ? Kylie?s Boob Job Details ? 450cc, moderate profile, under the muscle. Kylie finally shares her plastic surgery specs.

[50:00] ? Ubah Gets Her Man ? Ubah Hassan?s new fiancé is hot, tall, and rich. Chanler is unwell. Jill Zarin thinks it?s divine intervention.

[55:00] ? Lauren Sanchez Grace Clause ? Why does Sutton get heat but Lauren Sanchez gets worshipped? The girls make their case.

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This week, Lauren and Chanler are coming to you from full LA trip prep mode. From Beyoncé's celestial performance to Mormon Wives chaos, they're breaking down the biggest stories. Expect mystery, mom drama, reality TV breakdowns, and one very bold Vogue request.

? [00:00] ? Packing, filming, and a camera setup saga?plus, why Chanler is unusually zen pre-LA

? [07:46] ? Beyoncé?s LA concert: iconic cameos, wardrobe wins, and a soft launch for Jay-Z's redemption arc?

? [13:46] ?? Karen Read trial deep dive: conspiracies, Facebook moms, and a possible swingers' night with a garage door guy

? [24:11] ? Sandy Cohen, The OC, and an unforgettable party moment involving a very lost wristwatch

? [26:51] ? Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: friendship fallouts, glam mom interventions, and shifting alliances on-screen

? [39:21] ?? Book deals, hair-related shade, and the moment the group chat energy shifted on camera

? [41:41] ? Emotions run high with a pregnancy reveal and a redemption arc that hits surprisingly hard

? [47:11] ? Engagement rumors swirl as an NFL legend updates his yacht name and sparks internet theories

? [50:11] ? Meghan Markle?s alleged pitch to be on every Vogue cover?and what reportedly happened next

? [53:41] ? Brittany Bateman?s legal drama heats up?featuring lawsuits, former friends, and court filings

? [56:51] ? Dakota Johnson talks rent struggles, career rejections, and what ?making it? actually looked like

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Fresh off their Ballerina Farm pilgrimage, the girls are back?and chaos reigns. Lauren and Chanler unpack the alleged threat Blake Lively?s legal team made against Taylor Swift (yes, the one about exposing 10 years of private texts ?). Then it?s a deep dive into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: ketamine therapy, family betrayal, facelifts, and MomTok delusions. Plus, major developments in the Karen Read trial and Cassie Ventura?s devastating testimony in the Diddy case. You?re not ready. ?

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[00:00?01:00] ? Back from Ballerina Farm: A recap of their visit to Utah with Courtney Grow

[01:00?13:00] ? Taylor vs. Blake: The alleged threat, the fallout, and the godmother betrayal

[13:00?16:00] ? Travis Kelsey unfollows Ryan, Reputation (TV) hints, and the AMAs theory

[16:00?44:00] ? Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S2: Taylor?s heartbreak, toxic parents, and ketamine therapy

[44:00?45:30] ?? PSA: Why Provo dating is a danger zone

[45:30?54:00] ?? Karen Read trial update: Discredited expert testimony, taillight confusion, and police cover-up concerns

[54:00?55:30] ? Sgt. Yuri Bucha's shady performance on the stand

[55:30?01:02:00] ? Diddy trial: Cassie?s testimony, freak off allegations, and the breakdown of his decade-long abuse

[01:02:00?01:03:00] ? Why this matters: justice for victims and Cassie?s stand

[01:03:00?01:04:00] ? Outro: Upcoming content, love for the Global Elite, and farewell until Friday

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Lauren and Chanler?s dad, a family law attorney, returns to share legal wisdom on divorce, prenups, and child support, plus wild stories like chasing stolen goods. They reflect on their LDS upbringing, raising five daughters, and pursuing dreams at any age.

?? Timestamps

[00:00?02:00] ?? Dad?s Return

Listener love brings Dad back.

[02:00?04:00] ? Deb?s Friendship

Dad cherishes his 42-year marriage.

[04:00?09:00] ? Raising Daughters

Mom?s strictness, faith, and reading shaped success.

[09:00?10:00] ?? Baby Names

Courts don?t block odd names.

[10:00?13:00] ? Income Lies

Fight ex?s fraud; ditch shady lawyers.

[13:00?17:00] ????? Attorney Choice

Pick specialists, trust gut, watch judges.

[17:00?19:00] ? Blocked Accounts

Lawyer up for support orders.

[19:00?21:00] ? Post-Divorce Work

Both spouses must work; skills matter.

[21:00?23:00] ? Bad Behavior

Affairs rarely affect no-fault divorce.

[23:00?27:00] ??? Five Girls

Dad navigated hormones; Mom was strict.

[27:00?30:00] ? Divorce Tips

Seek faith, a friend; try saving marriage.

[30:00?33:00] ? Impulsive Divorces

More common, but kids suffer.

[33:00?38:00] ?? Law Path

Started law at 30 with three kids.

[38:00?41:00] ? Chase Dreams

Pursue goals at any age.

[41:00?44:00] ? Prenups

Fair prenups share future earnings.

[44:00?48:00] ???? College Days

Lauren?s risky dates; sisters? server jobs.

[48:00?50:00] ? Daughters? Paths

All chose bold careers, not law.

[50:00?52:00] ? New Careers

Nursing, paralegal, sales for reentry.

[52:00?57:00] ? Wild Tales

Limo attorney; stolen goods chase.

[57:00?59:00] ? Greed?s Cost

Hidden assets don?t pay off.

[59:00?01:01:00] ? No Status

Raised valuing love, not pedigree.

[01:01:00?End] ? Sign-Off

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The girls are back from wedding bliss and diving headfirst into hot topics?from a possible Taylor Swift pregnancy to Diddy?s disturbing trial details. Chanler dishes on an unexpected urgent care visit, while Lauren unpacks blind items about Blake Lively?s rumored fallout with Taylor. They debate the Karen Read trial, analyze Meghan and Harry?s Beyoncé date night, and break down why a 24-year-old pageant queen is outsmarting all of us with $9 million in real estate. Drama, speculation, and Chanel denim slander?this episode has it all.

[00:00?03:00] ? Post-Wedding Urgent Care

Chanler reveals her rough post-honeymoon health scare and how ?traveler?s issues? sent her to urgent care.

[03:00?05:00] ? Mother?s Day & Corn Cob Shame

The girls reflect on a sweet Mother?s Day? until a corn-eating incident leaves Lauren humiliated.

[06:00?08:00] ?? Should They Cover the Diddy Trial?

They discuss whether they should pivot into full-on legal podcasters and break down audience appetite for darkness.

[08:00?10:00] ? Taylor & Travis Reappear!

Taylor and Travis were spotted with both moms on Mother's Day, sparking pregnancy or engagement rumors.

[10:00?12:00] ? The Chanel 25 Bag Debate

Lauren critiques Taylor?s controversial denim Chanel bag and the brand?s identity crisis.

[12:00?15:00] ? Engagement or Baby on the Way?

Speculation: is Taylor secretly pregnant?or just shopping hobo bags with bad posture?

[15:00?18:00] ? DeuxMoi?s Blind Hint + Pregnancy Test Panic

A DeuxMoi tease hints at an engagement, while Chanler has her own pregnancy test scare.

[19:00?21:00] ? Karen Read Trial Talk Begins

The girls passionately defend Karen and wonder why the supposed ?cover-up crew? seems so bad at covering up.

[21:00?27:00] ? Karen Theories & Cocktail Glass Debate

In-depth theorizing: how did the glass stay intact? Why did no one text about the body? They?re confused and obsessed.

[29:00?32:00] ? Taylor Subpoenaed in Blake Lawsuit

Taylor?s fiery denial of involvement in ?It Ends With Us? is dissected line by line.

[32:00?35:00] ? Girl Gang Fallout: Blake is OUT

With Blake uninvited from Gigi?s party and Travis unfollowing Ryan, it looks like Taylor is officially over it.

[35:00?38:00] ? Blind Item: Blake Tried to Seduce Justin?!

A wild blind claims Blake made a move on Justin? and Taylor may have spilled it to Brittany Mahomes.

[39:00?42:00] ? Diddy Trial Breakdown (Warning: Graphic)

Shocking opening day testimony is covered, from assault to bribes to male escorts and control.

[43:00?45:00] ? Jordan Hudson?s Real Estate Empire

Bill Belichick?s 24-year-old girlfriend just bought $9M in condos. The girls are stunned and impressed.

[45:00?48:00] ? The Psychology of Jordan Hudson

Is this 5D chess? They analyze the strategy and ROI behind her sugar baby-to-landlord pipeline.

[49:00?52:00] ? Meghan & Harry at Cowboy Carter

They break down Meghan?s outfit, Harry?s hat, and why this photo dump hits different.

[52:00?55:00] ? The Royal Family?s PR Games

With no signs of reconciliation, the girls predict Harry and Meghan?s fading relevance as the next gen grows up.

[55:00?57:00] ? Brand Longevity Doubts for Meghan & Harry

Do they have enough ?product? to support the lifestyle? Lauren goes full monologue.

[57:00?End] ? Signing Off with Love

Back from the wedding and ready to spill all the tea, the girls close with love for the listeners and a reminder to subscribe for more!

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While Chanler is off honeymooning, Lauren is joined by one of her closest friends and the chicest blonde she knows ? Elizabeth. The duo dive deep into royal chaos, from Meghan Markle's HRH mess to Prince William's fury, and break down the Walton Goggins and Amy Lou Wood drama. They also tackle the shocking story of a ring-copying sister-in-law, Jordan Hudson's PR reign over Bill Belichick, and a family feud brewing in the Beckham clan. Plus, a Capri travel segment with insider tips closes the show.

?? Chapter Timestamps

00:00 ? Meet Elizabeth ????

Chanler is on her honeymoon, so Lauren invites bestie Elizabeth to co-host. They chat Chandler?s gorgeous Prospect Park wedding and kick off a Capri-themed giveaway.

07:00 ? The Ring Copy Heard Round the Family ?

A listener dilemma: her future sister-in-law copies her exact engagement ring ? then drags it on TikTok. The girls are scandalized.

11:00 ? Meghan Markle Gossip Bombshell ?

An anonymous source shares insider PR tea on Meghan?s fame strategy pre-Harry. Spoiler: it involves a deck of rich men at events.

13:00 ? Meghan?s HRH Title Scandal ?

Lauren and Elizabeth dissect Meghan?s latest controversy ? using her royal title on a jam gift basket featured in a public podcast.

19:00 ? Did Meghan Break the Rules? ?

They debate if Meghan?s HRH use was innocent or strategic. Cue a full breakdown of royal branding, commercial promotion, and royal hypocrisy.

26:00 ? Prince William?s Fury ?

New reports claim William is planning to formally strip Harry and Meghan?s HRH titles when he becomes king. The girls weigh in on whether it?s deserved.

30:00 ? Security Drama & Harry?s Court Loss ?

Prince Harry loses a UK court appeal over taxpayer-funded protection. Lauren and Elizabeth discuss whether the royal family is putting him in danger.

37:00 ? Walton Goggins & Amy Lou Wood ?

The two get into the juicy behind-the-scenes fallout between White Lotus stars Walton and Amy. From Instagram clues to awkward interviews, they speculate on what went down.

42:00 ? Jordan Hudson?s PR Reign Over Belichick ??

Is Bill Belichick?s 24-year-old girlfriend tanking his career? The answer is possibly yes ? and the girls go in hard on the weird dynamic.

47:00 ? The Beckhams Are Feuding ?

David Beckham turns 50 ? and Brooklyn + Nicola skip the bash. What?s going on between the Beckhams and Nicola Peltz? And who is Romeo?s new (and recycled?) girlfriend?

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Lauren and Chan dive into everything we know so far from Karen Read?s retrial ? prosecution and defense strategy, courtroom drama, and key witness moments. It?s all on the table.

00:00 ? 08:00 Wedding Week Catch-Up

08:01 ? 10:59 Case Background & Legal Overview

11:00 ? 12:59 Media Impact & Public Perception

13:00 ? 15:59 Jury Insights & Legal Strategy

16:00 ? 18:59 Key Players & Investigation Focus

19:00 ? 22:59 Scene Details & Timeline Questions

23:00 ? 24:59 Financial Fallout & Defense Structure

25:00 ? 27:59 New Evidence Introduced

28:00 ? 32:59 Behavior, Phones & Property Changes

33:00 ? 34:59 Search History Controversy

35:00 ? 38:59 Opening Statements & Legal Framing

39:00 ? 41:59 Witness Testimony & Trial Atmosphere

42:00 ? 47:00 Expert Evidence & Courtroom Debates

47:01 ? 48:59 Trial Momentum & What's Ahead

49:00 ? 51:59 Pop Culture Pulse Check (Travis Kelce, Meghan Markle)

52:00 ? 55:00 Podcast Reactions & Commentary

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In light of Karen Read?s retrial, Lauren and Chandler revisit her first trial from 2024. They walk through the full timeline, key evidence, legal strategies, and the emerging controversies surrounding law enforcement?s role in the investigation.

00:00 ? 03:00 Intro, Format & Re-Release Context

03:01 ? 05:00 Who Were John O?Keefe and Karen Read?

05:01 ? 07:00 The Night in Question

07:01 ? 10:00 Early Morning Discovery & Initial Reactions

10:01 ? 13:00 Phone Records, Taillights & 911 Call

13:01 ? 16:00 Charges, Legal Teams, & Investigation Overview

16:01 ? 20:00 Evidence at the Scene

20:01 ? 24:00 Conflicting Theories & Relationship Dynamics

24:01 ? 28:00 Defense Strategy & Possible Coverup Claims

28:01 ? 33:00 Missing Footage, Evidence Chain & Key Players

33:01 ? 37:00 Surveillance Gaps & Timeline Breakdown

37:01 ? 42:00 Technology Data, Text Patterns & Phones

42:01 ? 47:00 Witness Testimony Challenges & Investigative Concerns

47:01 ? 52:00 Prosecutorial Position & Rebuttals

52:01 ? 57:00 Federal Oversight & External Reports

57:01 ? 01:03:00 Final Review of Conflicting Evidence

01:03:01 ? End What Comes Next & Closing Thoughts

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Marriage is magical? but also occasionally maddening. In this episode, we welcome licensed marriage and family therapist Aly Bullock, to spill her wisdom on making love last long after the honeymoon.

? [00:02:10] We kick it off with the most-asked question about long-term relationships?and a fresh perspective you probably haven?t heard before.

? [00:04:50] ?Non-toxic drama?? Yes, it?s a thing?and you might just be obsessed with the concept.

? [00:10:45] How something as simple as eye contact might be the most underrated intimacy move.

? [00:12:00] The couples app that?s transforming everyday connection?one tiny prompt at a time.

? [00:17:15] Is it possible to be happy, healthy, and passionate in the long run? Let?s just say this part might challenge your assumptions.

? [00:24:15] What to do when you?re years in and still unsure if your partner is ?the one.?

? [00:27:15] The art of addressing a partner?s weight gain?with honesty and compassion.

? [00:33:00] What to say when your partner?s new look has you questioning everything?including their haircut choices.

? [00:36:10] Money dynamics in relationships: how to handle shifts in income and power without blowing things up.

? [00:41:50] Kids change everything?here?s how to stay close when chaos enters the chat.

? [00:48:50] Trust issues and betrayal: what healing really looks like, and how to know when it?s time to walk away.

? [00:55:10] In-law boundaries, decoded. (Yes, you can set them without sparking family feuds.)

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[00:00?02:00] ? Was this really a ?medium news week?? The girls dive into the headline that sent them ? literally ? into orbit.

[02:00?06:00] ? Katy Perry returns from space and says she?s ?never felt more connected to love.? The commentary that follows? Unhinged perfection.

[13:00?17:00] ???? Dyson Airwrap: myth or miracle? Lauren enters her hair reform era, and Chanler has thoughts.

[24:00?29:00] ? Shoe size shame and celebrity foot gossip (yes, this is a real segment, and yes, it?s glorious).

[31:00?34:00] ? The $30 Stanley Cup that almost ended a wedding before it started.

[35:00?39:00] ? A viral SNL sketch, bad teeth jokes, and a rumored celeb breakup ? things get dicey.

[40:00?47:00] ?? An unexpected twist in the Lively vs. Baldoni case, including a new voice on Team Justin.

[47:00?52:00] ???? The Kyle and Dorit friendship breakdown ? are we watching the end in real time?

[52:00?57:00] ? Morgan Wade, Wilder Days, and Real Housewives chemistry that?s way too on-the-nose.

[57:00?End (~01:01:00)] ? A toast to long-lasting love ? and Jennifer Tilley just living her fabulous life.

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Lauren and Chan chat about the countdown to Chan?s wedding and take a stroll down memory lane (0:47). They discuss the backlash over Blake Lively?s time at a donut shop (8:51), the White Lotus finale (15:03), Lauren?s suspicions about Taylor and Travis (30:18), Sydney Sweeney?s breakup + potential new romance (32:27), Meghan Markle?s new podcast ?Confessions of a Female Founder? (37:42), Erin and Abe Lichy?s new podcast ?Come Together? (43:59), and finally, their top picks for the Sephora sale (50:57). 

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Lauren and Chan are joined by Olivia Snow of Mother?s Daughter Design (@mothersdaughterdesign on Instagram) to chat about all things interior design. They dive into discussing their favorite celebrity homes, as well as a celebrity home that has them puzzled: 

Emma Chamberlain?s LA house (7:52), Gigi Hadid?s New York apartment (11:57) Emma Roberts? LA house (15:25), Kendall Jenner?s LA house (21:14), and Gwyneth Paltrow?s Montecito house (26:41).

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The best place areas to save money in a house that needs a lot of work? (40:07)

What styles are coming next? (43:47)

A designer?s thought?s on wallpaper?( 45:19)

Where to spend and where to save with furniture? (46:46)

What to look for in a rug? (48:17)

How do I not decorate like everyone on Instagram? (49:46)

What are the best friendly decorating tips? (52:45)

How do I find my own style? (54:52)

What lighting shade gives the coziest light in a home? (56:27)

What are inexpensive ways to update a bedroom or kitchen? (58:35)

How to handle your partner having very different interior style opinoins? (1:00:53)

What is trending now that people will regret in five years? (1:03:00)

What are online retailers that are really good quality for the price? (1:04:15)

When should you do use a designer for specific items?(1:07:20)

What are Olivia?s favorite paint colors to use? (1:10:33)

How to know when to use a decorator? (1:14:02)

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Lauren and Chan chat about Kim and Kanye?s latest battle (6:27), Meghan Markle?s new podcast (14:17) as well as her St. Patrick?s Day snafu (19:45), Taylor Swift?s latest easter eggs (26:34), and Donna Kelce?s surprising Instagram post (28:40). Lauren and Chan are then joined by the one and only Arielle Lorre to share the intense amount of work that goes into her career and two shocking personal stories that you have to hear to believe. Arielle mentions it all: Behind the scenes of building an influencer and podcast brand (35:37), Arielle?s favorite skincare products (47:04), Arielle?s catastrophic jet lag (48:13), and finally, Arielle?s botox nightmare (54:56)

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Lauren and Chan are chatting all about the latest celebrity and reality tv happenings. They dive into Blake Lively?s Another Simple Favor premiere at SXSW (4:24), Nick Viall?s reaction to Justin Baldoni on Juicy Scoop (8:33), the newest allegations about Justin Baldoni (11:06), Blake and Ryan wanting to protect their texts (16:59), Thomas Markle?s statements about With Love, Meghan (21:45), Kylie Jenner and Timothée Chalamet?s recent tennis outing (29:27), updates on Jax Taylor and Brittany?s side about what prompted him to get help (31:13), Tamra Judge quitting RHOC (35:06), and finally, their take on The Baldwins (41:26). 

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Lauren and Chan are joined by Taylor Lorenz to discuss all things related to internet culture. They dive into the following: The Socialite Rank (3:32), the social media ecosystem (11:33), parasocial relationships (14:35),  aspirational content (20:18),  mommy bloggers (28:33), the birth of influencer marketing (33:04), ?viral content shaping societal values (36:42), AI creators & digital clones (40:31), going from an influencer to being in the public eye with Meghan Markle (45:16), and finally, image curation and PR strategy with Gwyneth Paltrow (51:00). 

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Lauren and Chan are joined by Kate Kennedy from the Be There in Five podcast to chat about all the things living rent-free in their minds. They discuss Jenny Slate?s It Ends With Us HR complaint and why Justin Baldoni?s communication style may be the issue (2:32). They dive into Ballerina Farm and which publication Lauren thinks should be featuring Hannah (10:57). They take a moment on Nara Smith?s account and content strategy (13:40).  They loop back around to Blake and Justin to discuss the recent Hollywood Reporter article and SNL appearance (19:15).  They discuss their take on Blake and Taylor?s friendship in light of the lawsuits (33:33). They give their take on Meghan Markle?s upcoming ventures As Ever and With Love, Meghan (38:00). Finally, they give their complete thoughts on Pookie, and whether they buy what she and Jett are selling (52:44). 

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