Scientists say research into a vaccine for HIV is further along than it?s ever been.

But Trump administration cuts to scientific research have set that effort back.

Including a promising trial for an HIV vaccine in Africa ? which was shut down altogether.

NPR?s Ari Daniel has the story of how researchers there refused to give up.

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In the first year of his second term, President Trump has repeatedly said and done things that were previously assumed to be unacceptable to voters.

Whether on Greenland or Gaza, federal prosecutions or federal spending, immigration enforcement or sending the U.S. military to protests of immigration enforcement, the Trump administration appears undeterred on almost all of its agenda.

As Ashley Parker wrote in The Atlantic this week ? the Trump administration has pushed the window of what?s possible in American politics so far that his opposition seems exhausted.

She discusses her essay, ?Trump Exhaustion Syndrome.?

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President Trump?s insistence that the U.S. acquire Greenland could become a major international crisis.

He's now threatened tariffs on eight NATO allies who have expressed their opposition to the idea, and that is shaking up the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland this week. 

And more tariffs would increase costs for American businesses at a time when American voters are talking about affordability at home.

Willem Marx reports from Davos, and NPR?s Scott Horsley and Mara Liasson recap the economic and political fallout.

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President Trump has spent his first year back in office blurring the lines between business and government. 

The administration has bought shares in private companies like Intel, NVIDIA, and others involved in mining and energy. President Trump has also publicly pressured CEOs, and forced the restructuring of social media giants like TikTok.

NPR financial correspondent Maria Aspan says that?s generating a lot of questions, and worries, about the future of the U.S. economy. 

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A week after an arson fire at Mississippi's oldest synagogue, Rachel Myers, a leader of the congregation's religious school, talks about how the congregation is doing and how it will rebuild. It?s not the first time the congregation has been attacked. In the late 1960s, the synagogue and the rabbi?s home were bombed by the Ku Klux Klan in retaliation for the congregation?s work on behalf of civil rights.

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Under the Trump administration, federal prosecutors have been sent to investigate federal lawmakers, the chairman of the Federal Reserve and the widow of Renee Macklin Good.

The Department of Justice is once again at the center of the news.

At least five federal lawmakers say they have been contacted for questioning from federal prosecutors. So has the chairman of the Federal Reserve.

And in Minnesota, career federal prosecutors resigned after being asked to investigate not the shooting that killed Renee Macklin Good, but her widow?s potential ties to activist groups.

NPR senior political editor and correspondent Domenico Montanaro and NPR justice correspondent Carrie Johnson break down the week in Justice Department news.


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Vice President J.D. Vance says the ICE officer who shot and killed Renee Macklin Good last week has "absolute immunity." Some legal experts have pushed back.

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What began two weeks ago as a demonstration against an economic crisis has become a broader antigovernment movement, in cities and towns across Iran.

Iran?s authoritarian government has responded with violent repression. More than 2,500 people have been killed, according to the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency. NPR has not been able to independently verify that number.

Many who watch Iran now believe the current round of protests feels different.

We hear from the Washington Post?s Jason Rezaian, who was imprisoned by the Iranian government while serving as a foreign correspondent for the newspaper. His op-ed this week is titled: ?I?ve waited for this electrifying moment in Iran for 10 years.?

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The Trump Justice Department has subpoenaed the Federal Reserve for information related to its multibillion-dollar renovation of the Fed's headquarters in Washington.

The move comes on the heels of months of President Donald Trump trying to influence Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell to lower interest rates.

And while he told NBC News he doesn?t know anything about the Department of Justice investigations, members of Congress, including some Republicans, say they?re concerned the independence of the Federal Reserve is now at risk.

The Federal Reserve decides monetary policy across the United States. Its decisions help shape the global economy. What happens if that independence is threatened?  President Trump has been trying to influence Federal Reserve policy, since his first term.

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What do we know about what's happening in Iran?

The country has been rocked by days of large antigovernment protests. First, sparked by the crippling economy, now anger at the theocratic regime. 

More than 500 people have been killed, according to the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency. NPR is unable to independently confirm that figure.

And now President Trump is considering whether to weigh in ? and how. 

Sanctions. Cyber attacks. Military strikes. 

President Trump keeps suggesting the United States may get involved. If so, when and how? 

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As the deputy chief of staff for policy and one of President Trump?s longest-serving aides, Stephen Miller has been the driving force behind many of Trump?s core policies. Ashley Parker, staff writer for The Atlantic, explains why Stephen Miller has President Trump?s ear.

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NPR International Correspondent Eyder Peralta has covered conflicts and crises from East Africa to Latin America. Sometimes just getting in place to cover a story is the hardest part of reporting. His latest deployment has taken him to Colombia where he has been covering the fallout from the U.S.?s intervention in Venezuela.


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President Trump raised eyebrows when he told the New York Times that there was only one thing that could stop him on the global stage: his own morality.

So what do Americans think about the moral standing of the United States? Well, a new NPR-Ipsos poll finds Americans still want the U.S. to be a moral leader in the world ? but far fewer think it actually is. 

Senior Political Editor and Correspondent Domenico Montanaro shares more from the poll, and Senior International Affairs Correspondent Jackie Northam helps make sense of what it means globally.

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"Make America great again."

That phrase has been in our political ecosystem for 10 years now.

But it's never been clear what time period in American history President Trump was referencing?

Is it the 1980s? Or maybe the 1950s?

What about further back, say the 1890s?

As we enter the second year of Trump?s second term, is a 19th century presidency emerging? For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected].

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Today in Minneapolis, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer allegedly shot and killed a woman.

ICE says she was shot in her car after attempting to run over immigration agents. 

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem called the woman?s actions a domestic act of terrorism. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called the narrative that the shooting was done in self-defense ?garbage.?

An immigration crackdown gone wrong. What do we know? 

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For almost three years, a civil war has decimated Sudan?s Darfur region.

Bob Kitchen, who leads emergency humanitarian programs for the International Rescue Committee, just returned from the region. He described what he saw in a series of audio diaries that he shared with NPR.

A warning ? the audio you are about to hear contains graphic descriptions of violence and rape against women and children.

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Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro and his wife, politician and attorney Cilia Flores, made their first court appearance in New York City Monday afternoon, when they both pleaded not guilty to all charges.

As Nicolás Maduro faces narco-terrorism charges in the US, Venezuelans try to figure out what it means for their future, and the rest of the world wonders what it could mean for theirs. 

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In this NPR investigation, we take a close look at the brutal violence that took place on Jan. 6, 2021, the investigation that followed, and the campaign Trump has waged to whitewash it.

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In this NPR investigation, we take a close look at the brutal violence that took place on Jan. 6, 2021, the investigation that followed, and the campaign Trump has waged to whitewash it.

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In early morning hours of January 3rd, the US military launched an operation in Venezuela that led to the capture of Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro.

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Ashley and Nick Evancho say raising their young daughter, Sophia, is one of the most joyous things they've ever done. But the Evanchos also made a decision that's increasingly common for families in the U.S. and around the world: one is enough. The trend is leading to populations that are dramatically older, and beginning to shrink, in many of the world's biggest economies.


Experts say a rapidly aging and gradually shrinking population in the world's wealthiest countries could force sweeping changes in people's lives, causing many to work longer before retirement, making it harder for business owners to find employees and destabilizing eldercare and health insurance programs.

This story is part of NPR's Population Shift series.

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The new year is a time to set goals. But daily life often gets in the way of meeting our ambitions. NPR?s Life Kit podcast host Marielle Segarra give us some practical, daily life tips that can set us up for success in 2026. 

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This summer, the island of Puerto Rico was under the thrall of Bad Bunny. His 31-concert residency at a stadium in San Juan was a homecoming for the global superstar.

It's also a homecoming for many thousands of people who left home ? but are flocking back for the shows.

NPR?s Adrian Florido reports on how the concerts resonated with Puerto Ricans on and off the island.

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Hollywood had another quiet year at cinemas. Box office income hasn?t bounced back to pre-pandemic highs. But ticket sales aren?t always an indication of quality. As proof, critic Bob Mondello shares his top movies that are worth the watch.

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Eight years ago, Daniel Day-Lewis announced he was retired from acting. He offered no further comment. Retirement notwithstanding, in October, Daniel Day-Lewis appeared in a new movie. He plays a man who long ago left the world he once knew ? and then is contacted by a family member to come back.

It was written with and directed by his son, Ronan Day-Lewis. Father and son spoke with host Mary Louise Kelly about their film, Anemone.

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President Trump is using his position to access sporting events across the country and embed himself with teams and fans. And he?s leveraging sports and American sports culture to build up and amplify his political brand. NPR?s Tamara Keith speak with Christine Brennan, a longtime sports columnist and author, about the president and the significance of his strong ties to sports.

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Day in and day out - it?s NPR?s Newscast team delivering the most immediate news to our audience more than anyone else. NPR's Tamara Keith talks to Korva Coleman about what it takes to get the story and get it right every hour of every day.

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On the night of his inauguration, President Trump signed an executive order that froze almost all international assistance.

What followed was the termination of billions of dollars in aid programs ? and the dismantling of the U-S Agency for International Development. Now, the future of U.S. foreign assistance looks very different.

NPR global health correspondents Fatma Tanis and Gabrielle Emanuel have been following this all year and break down the impact of this move both on the ground and for the U.S.

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In the months after World War I erupted, young men in Europe were killing each other by the tens of thousands. Yet on a frozen Christmas Eve in 1914, the guns briefly fell silent. 


On the 100th anniversary of the truce, former All Things Considered host Ari Shapiro set out to reconstruct the events of that day using the accounts of the people who were there.  We bring you that story. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected].


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Singer Brenda Lee reflects on the enduring power of her Christmas classic "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree." 


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2025 was a hard year for science. The Trump administration upended federal funding for all kinds of scientific pursuits, slashing budgets across agencies like NASA, NIH and NOAA. 


NPR's Rob Stein and Katia Riddle spoke to scientists and officials who worry that those cuts could cause the United States to lose its competitive edge as a global hub for research and innovation, and steer future generations away from careers in science. 
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The Trump administration has removed over 600,000 people without legal status from the U.S. through deportation this year, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

The Trump administration has also been busy revoking legal status for immigrants who entered the country through legal pathways -- affecting at least 1.6 million people -- by canceling programs and protections like CBP One, Temporary Protected Status, humanitarian parole and student visas.

That legal limbo means they too now fear the constant threat of deportation.

NPR's Sergio Martinez-Beltran and Ximena Bustillo recap the largest effort to delegalize immigrants in U.S. history.

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Entrepreneur, political strategist and philanthropist Bradley Tusk argues his new online voting tech could revolutionize participation in American elections. He is hellbent on making online voting a reality - even at a time when much of the election establishment thinks that is a very bad idea. NPR's Miles Parks speaks with Tusk about how Tusk's organization, the Mobile Voting Project, is pushing a major technology makeover for American democracy.

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A new report from U.S. government watchdog SIGAR gives us the fullest accounting yet of U.S. efforts to rebuild Afghanistan.

In short, they call it "a two-decade long effort fraught with waste.?

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2025 has proved that artificial intelligence is rapidly reshaping online reality and that the ?slop? is here to stay. 

NPR?s Geoff Brumfiel and Shannon Bond have spent much of the year rolling around in that slop and join host Scott Detrow to break down some of the highlights and how to sort the real from the fake.

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Rob Reiner spent his life trying to fix what he saw as America?s shortcomings. In an interview shortly before his death he explained why he was optimistic America could be better.

The actor and director was found dead on Sunday along with his wife Michelle Singer Reiner.

Their son has been charged with their murders.

And those tributes ? they?ve centered on Reiner's acting, the movies he?s directed, but also on his political activism.

It?s something he talked to the journalist Todd Purdum about shortly before he died. 

Purdum wrote about that interview in the New York Times this week, and joins Scott Detrow to discuss what he learned about Reiner's work and view of America's future. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected].

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The Trump administration is ramping up pressure on Venezuela and its leader.  What is the ultimate goal?

President Trump says he?s imposing a ban on all ?sanctioned? oil tankers entering and leaving Venezuela.

Venezuela?s government is calling this an ?outrageous threat? intended to rob the country of its oil wealth. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected].

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Tensions between Venezuela and the U.S. have been growing over the past few months. And last Wednesday, the pressure point was oil. 

The U.S. government seized a tanker it says was filled with illegal oil headed to the black market, in violation of sanctions.

The seizure was an unprecedented move. And it represents an escalation in the standoff between the two countries. In recent months, the U.S. has struck nearly two dozen suspected drug boats in nearby waters, issued new sanctions targeting Venezuela, and increased its naval presence in the Caribbean.

The U.S. has long had economic and political interests in Venezuela. And the oil industry there has been a key part of that relationship. Francisco Monaldi, director of the Latin American Energy Program at the Baker Institute at Rice University, explains how the two nations got to this point.

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On Sunday, during a celebration for the first day of Hanukkah, a father and son opened fire on Bondi Beach near Sydney. Killing or wounding dozens of people. 

Officials are calling it a terrorist incident. Even though the Jewish community in Australia is small, with just over 115,000 people in a country of more than 25 million, antisemitism is a persistent and rising threat. The spike in Australia comes amidst a rise in antisemitic attacks globally.

What do we know about this trend and what does it mean for the Jewish community around the world? 

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Venezuelan leader and activist Maria Corina Machado?s perilous journey to Oslo made headlines this week, but that was just the start of a new phase of international campaign to bring pressure on the Nicolas Maduro regime in her home country. NPR?s Miles Parks speaks with Ana Corina Sosa, Machado?s daughter, who accepted the Nobel Peace prize on her mother?s behalf, and talked about the future of Venezuela.

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Trump?s SAVE tool is looking for noncitizen voters. But it?s flagging U.S. citizens too. Host Miles Parks speaks with NPR reporter Jude Joffe-Block about tracking down citizens who are now having to prove they have a right to vote.


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They survived some of the Afghanistan war's most grueling and treacherous missions. 

But once they evacuated to the U.S., many Afghan fighters who served in "Zero Units" found themselves spiraling.

Among their ranks was Rahmanullah Lakanwal, the man charged with killing one National Guard member and seriously injuring a second after opening fire on them in Washington, D.C., on Thanksgiving Eve.

NPR's Brian Mann spoke to people involved in Zero Units and learned some have struggled with mental health since coming to the U.S. At least four soldiers have died by suicide. 

A previous version of this episode incorrectly says that more than 100,000 Afghan civilians died in a 2021 attack at a checkpoint outside the Kabul airport. More than 100 Afghan civilians died.

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The Trump administration is leaning into the once fringe idea of "reverse migration." 

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The Catholic Church is wading into a deeply partisan issue. The Archbishop of Chicago weighs in.

This fall, the Trump administration launched Operation Midway Blitz ? an aggressive immigration crackdown campaign in Chicago.

It was met with outcry from many communities around the city including the Catholic Church, and that sentiment goes all the way to the very top of the Church with Pope Leo calling on the government to treat undocumented people humanely. 

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Venezuela dominates the headlines, but very little attention is paid to what life is like inside the country.

In September, the Trump administration began a series of strikes targeting what U.S. officials call "narcoterrorists" in small vessels in the Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean. 

Those strikes are ongoing and have killed more than 80 people. Then, in October, Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

She's been in hiding since last year, when Venezuela President Nicolás Maduro claimed victory in an election widely seen as fraudulent.

Machado is expected to receive her award on Wednesday, in Oslo. And if she does, she might not be let back into her country. 

Machado, who supports the Trump administration?s campaign in the region, says the end of the Maduro regime is imminent.

While the world is focused on Oslo and María Corina Machado's Nobel Peace Prize. We wanted to get the view from inside her country. We speak with a journalist in Venezuela about what daily life is like. 

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There's a growing fight in Hollywood over some of the biggest characters on screen, like Tony Soprano, Daenerys Targaryen and Harry Potter. All feature in shows and films owned by Warner Brothers Discovery, and now two companies are fighting to get a piece of the action. 

First, on Friday, Netflix struck an $83 billion deal to acquire Warner Brothers Studios and HBO. Then, just days later, Paramount upped the ante with a higher bid of $108 billion for Warner Brothers Discovery ? which includes not just the movie studios and HBO, but also WBD?s cable channels, like CNN.

As corporate giants vie to take over Warner Brothers, we ask: What are the stakes for Hollywood and the news business? 

Editor?s note: Warner Bros. Discovery is a financial supporter of NPR.

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New research from the Aspen Economic Strategy Group argues that the subsidies-or-no-subsidies approach to the Affordable Care Act debate is too narrow. Co-author of the paper 'Coverage isn't Care: An Abundance Agenda for Medicaid' Professor Craig Garthwaite tells NPR?s Miles Parks that solutions to make healthcare both more efficient and more affordable at scale are right in front of us.

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Students are using AI tools more than ever. 

An Angelo State University professor designed a way to figure out if his students were using artificial intelligence on a recent paper.


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Fifty years ago, special education in America was born.


In 1975, President Gerald Ford signed the landmark law known today as the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, or IDEA.


It guaranteed all children with disabilities the right to a "free appropriate public education."


Now, amid the Trump administration's efforts to dismantle the Department of Education, there's growing concern that protections for students with disabilities are in jeopardy.


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Roughly 80,000 people of Somali descent now live in Minnesota. The vast majority of them are American citizens.

This week, President Trump attacked Somali immigrants in racist and xenophobic terms. 

?I don't want 'em in our country,? he said at the end of a cabinet meeting. ?Their country is no good for a reason. Their country stinks."

The mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul defended their Somali community ? and responded to reports that the Trump administration is targeting that community with extra immigration enforcement.

Minnesota Public Radio?s Matt Sepic has the latest from St. Paul.

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