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Proof

We take America's Test Kitchen's inquisitive and relentless approach to telling unexpected, funny, and thought-provoking narratives about food and drink. This is not a recipe show. And this is not a show about celebrity chefs or what they like to eat. Proof plunges into history, culture, science, and the psyche to uncover the hidden backstories that feed your food-obsessed brain. Hosted by Kevin Pang. A production of America's Test Kitchen.

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The River That Feeds Us

We're headed to the riverbanks of the Magdalena River to experience a Colombian tradition of eating stew, called the paseo de olla. Journalist Camilo Garzón shares how the mighty river and the stew have been at the center of Colombia's past and present. 

Hear more of Camilo's work at Cuentero Productions.

Invite some friends over to enjoy Colombia's signature three-meat stew, Sancocho at home with our tested recipe. 

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2024-04-18
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Boycotting Your Favorite Food

What happens when you have to boycott your favorite food? Reporter Makepeace Sitlhou travels to her home to North East India to confront this reality with her favorite dish: The Manipuri Thali.

Heads up: This episode includes descriptions of violence.

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2024-04-11
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It?s All Greek Salad to Me

We kick off Season 16 with a new episode that traces Horiatiki, or the Greek salad's journey from Athens to American tables. Our reporter digs into how tax evasion shaped the humble Horiatiki, and how a star ingredient wasn't incorporated until much later than you might think.

Check our top picks for Feta Cheese to make your own Horiatiki at home. 

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2024-04-04
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Conan O'Brien on Your Mama?s Kitchen Podcast

Before we return next week with new episodes of Proof, we're sharing an episode of Your Mama?s Kitchen, a podcast about cuisine and culture, ingredients and identities, and the meals and memories that make us who we are. In this episode, host Michele Norris interviews TV?s funniest redhead, Conan O?Brien. The comedian talks about how he first learned to be funny at the kitchen table. We also learn about why Halloween is his favorite holiday, and he reveals his favorite childhood meal: fried ham. Learn more about Your Mama?s Kitchen here.

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2024-03-27
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From The Sporkful: ANYTHING'S PASTABLE

This week, we're bringing you the first episode from a new, four-part series from our friends at The Sporkful. Host Dan Pashman shares the inside story of creating his first cookbook, Anything?s Pastable ? from the highs and lows of recipe testing, to a research trip across Italy, to the agonizing decisions over the design of the cover. By the end, you'll never look at a cookbook the same way again. Episode 2 is available in The Sporkful feed right now! 

See if Dan is visiting a city near you on his tour of book signings and live podcast tapings with special guests. And follow Dan on Instagram to see photos and videos from the Anything?s Pastable journey!

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2024-03-21
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Award Winners: Should I Get My Lobster High?

We wrap up awards season with our Signal Award-Winning episode that asks: Will hot-boxing a lobster before it's cooked alleviate its pain? Science reporter Sarah Vitak takes us to a lobster shack in Maine to find out. 

Bring a taste of Maine home and make your own New England Lobster Rolls.

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2024-03-14
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Award Winners: Sakura and the Wild Boars

Author Hannah Kirshner takes us on a captivating journey into the woods of rural Japan alongside boar hunter, Sakura Yoshida. In our IACP Award-winning episode, Hannah shares her experience and the history of meat eating in Japan.

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2024-03-07
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Award Winners: Navigating Blindness at the Supermarket

Reporter Jason Strother shows us what it?s like to navigate the supermarket while visually impaired. Listen to our Signal award-winning episode to learn what a more navigable world might be like.

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2024-02-29
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Award Winners: The Drink that Wouldn't Die

Chartreuse, a beloved liqueur among bartenders, defies the test of time. We recount the history of this drink that wouldn't die in our 2022 IACP Award-Winning episode on this potent elixir created by Carthusian Monks.

Ready to shake or stir? Read our Review Team's recommendations for best cocktail shakers

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2024-02-22
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Award Winners: Raiders of the Lost Yeast

The plan: To extract dormant yeast from the nooks and crannies of ancient Egyptian pots stored in the vaults of the world?s most prestigious museums and bake bread with it. Can it be done? Find out on this week?s episode from our archives. (New episodes will be back in April!)

Make your own sourdough loaf at home (without the need for ancient yeast!) with our fail-proof recipe.

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2024-02-15
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Award Winners: You're a Good Man, Brady Keys

Pulitzer-prize winning author Dr. Marcia Chatelain returns to share the story of Brady Keys, a former NFL star and Black entrepreneur whose franchise, All-Pro Chicken, was hailed as the gold standard for Black capitalism in the 1960s. 

Try making Batter-Fried Chicken at home with our fail-proof recipe. 

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2024-02-08
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Award Winners: The Case of the Disappearing Franchise

Pulitzer-prize winning historian and fast food detective Dr. Marcia Chatelain explores the cases of three American franchises that disappeared from the American landscape without a trace.

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2024-02-01
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Award Winners: World's Greatest Italian Beef

This week, we replay our award-winning episode inspired by the food in FX's "The Bear". We get to the meat of the matter on how family can be the secret ingredient to creating (what we think) is the world?s greatest Italian beef sandwich.

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2024-01-25
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Cheesesteaks Go to Pakistan

How did the Philly Cheesesteak make its way to Lahore, Pakistan? Journalist Kunwar Khuldune Shahid traces the transcontinental journey.

Try Ayesha Sarwar?s recipe for Desi Philly Cheesesteak or America's Test Kitchen's version of the classic Philly style.

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2024-01-11
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Behind Boba Tea's Big Boom

We're spilling the tea on the origins of boba, or bubble tea. Cookbook author Clarissa Wei reports.

Did this episode make you thirsty? Try making our Matcha Fauxba Tea Smoothie, inspired by boba tea!

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2023-12-14
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The Lost Crops of Sapelo Island

The Gullah Geechee community on Sapelo Island, Georgia, is in a battle against time. Every year, storms, salt water, and construction threaten the land. But Sapelo resident Maurice Bailey is fighting to protect the island by reviving Geechee agriculture. Will he succeed? Claire Reynolds reports.

To learn more about Maurice Bailey?s efforts on Sapelo Island, go to saveourlegacyourself.org.

Try our recipe for Hoppin' John.

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2023-12-07
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How Almond Boneless Chicken Took Over Detroit

ABC, or almond boneless chicken, is a popular Chinese-American dish from Detroit. But it's not as well known outside the Motor City. In this episode, author Curtis Chin investigates whether or not his grandmother's claim of having invented the dish, is true.

Try making Almond Boneless Chicken at home with our tested recipe.

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2023-11-30
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Chasing the Freshest Beer

How far would you go to ensure the hops in your fresh hop IPAs are as fresh as humanly possible? The answer for one Denver-based brewery? Take advantage of the brewers? pilot licenses. It?s a race against time in this week?s episode of Proof. Kate Bernot reports.

Have an extra can of beer at home? Use it for dinner tonight to make a Grill-Roasted Beer Can Chicken.

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2023-11-16
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World's First Italian Coffee Bean

Despite its rich coffee and cafe culture, Italy doesn't produce its own coffee beans. One man is trying to change that, against all odds. Producer John Last reports.

Thirsty for some coffee? Check out ATK's recommended Espresso Machines.

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2023-11-09
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Proof returns November 9!

Why aren't Italians drinking Italian coffee? What's the story behind ABC--a.k.a. almond boneless chicken? How did Philly Cheesesteaks become a popular sandwich in Pakistan? Find out the answers to these questions and so much more on Thursday, November 9 when the new season of Proof from America's Test Kitchen drops!

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2023-11-02
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Best of Proof: My Father, the YouTube Star

In the last 'Best of Proof' episode of the year, we bring you a story from 2021 that gives new meaning to the question: How did host Kevin Pang's father end up becoming an unlikely YouTube star? Today, the duo are the stars of Hunger Pangs and authors of A Very Chinese Cookbook, but it didn't start out that way.

Want to try a Pang family recipe? Check out this sticky, crispy spare rib recipe.

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2023-10-26
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Best of Proof: Prepping for the Worst

Preparing for doomsday might not be as crazy as we think. This week, we bring you an episode from 2019 that takes you inside the culinary minds of people who are ready and prepped for the worst.

Stockpiling wheat at home? Try making ATK?s recipe for Whole-Wheat Sandwich Bread.

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2023-10-19
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Best of Proof: How Far Would You Travel for An Apple?

It?s apple-picking season, and one man, Tom Brown, is on a mission to find an elusive variety called the Junaluska before it?s too late. Will Tom succeed? Claire Donnelly reports.

Gone apple picking? Check out ATK?s recipe for Classic Apple Pie.

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2023-10-12
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Best of Proof: Nixtamalization and Indigenous Science

What is nixtamalization, and why is it so important when preparing corn-based dishes like tortillas and pupusas? Navajo reporter Andi Murphy walks us through her journey of nixtamalizing blue corn, and embarks on an Indigenous information exchange with chefs, scholars, and poets in the process.

Want to make your own corn tortillas? Check out ATK?s recipe for Homemade Corn Tortillas.

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2023-10-05
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Best of Proof: Fair Foods

This week, we?re starting autumn off right with one of our all-time favorite episodes: Fair Foods. Chris Siege reports.

Craving that sugar cream pie from the Indiana State Fair? Check out ATK?s recipe for Hoosier Pie.

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2023-09-28
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Saving the Craft of Soy Sauce

For hundreds of years, Japanese soy sauce was made in wooden barrels, but now, most are made in steel tanks. And some argue: It?s made it less delicious. Can a group of brewers and carpenters save the art of traditional brewing? Hannah Kirshner reports.

Curious about all the different varieties? Check out ATK?s reviews on Soy Sauce.

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2023-09-21
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Finding Beer Where It's Banned

In Pakistan, alcohol is banned for Muslims, who make up around 97% of the population. But, people drink, and there?s even a renowned beer brewery. How do they get around the ban? Kunwar Khuldune Shahid reports.

Looking for both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drink options? Check out ATK?s collection of recipes from How to Cocktail.

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2023-09-14
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Proof Presents: Snacks!

The Proof team presents bite-size stories on snacks and snacking.

Want a snack while you listen? Check out ATK?s reviews on potato chips.

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2023-09-07
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How to Make the Worst Pies in London

Proof contributor Eliza Rothstein heads to Broadway to get a behind-the-scenes look at how the pies from Sweeney Todd are made. We hear from the actor playing Mrs. Lovett, and dive into the history of food props.

Want to learn how to make one of the best pies in town? Check out ATK's recipe for Natchitoches Meat Pies.

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2023-08-31
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America's First Butter Sculptor

The Butter Cow draws enormous crowds every year at the Iowa State Fair.  But who came up with the idea to sculpt with butter in the first place? Des Moines Register reporter Courtney Crowder uncovers the forgotten history of the woman who pioneered the art of butter sculpting.

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Want to know the best way to store butter? Check out our reviews on butter storage containers.

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2023-08-24
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Seeking Soviet Korean Cooking

Reporter Sarah Baik explores the history of Koryo Saram cuisine (Korean Soviet cuisine) and learns about the importance of morkovcha--a carrot dish--to one Koryo Saram family.

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2023-08-17
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Chicken Tender Capital, USA

Former Comedian Nick Lavallee is on a mission to make Manchester, New Hampshire the chicken tender capital of the world. Will he succeed?

Read reporter Caleb Jagoda's original article from New Hampshire Magazine.

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Hungry for some tendies? Make your own Puritan Backroom?Style Chicken Tenders.

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2023-08-10
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How to Make A Battle-Ready Pizza

How did the U.S. military create a pizza that warfighters could eat on the battlefield? The Proof team follows the 5-year journey to create the world's most shelf-stable pizza.

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Craving pizza now? Check out ATK's reviews on Frozen Pepperoni Pizza.

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2023-08-03
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Season 14 Kicks off August 3!

How does beer thrive in a country that bans it? Who's behind the worst pies in London? What does a Danish tale of a blind princess have to do with America's first butter sculptor? The answer to these questions and much, much more on Season 14 of Proof from America's Test Kitchen. Episode 1 drops Thursday, August 3!

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2023-07-13
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What Is Fusion Food?

For the Season 13 closer, we bring you two stories on the theme of fusion food. We look at a JamAsian specialty--Jamaican Pepper Steak--and ask: How did a dish with Chinese roots become a celebrated Jamaican staple? We then head to Vietnam where MasterChef France winner Khanh-Ly Huynh falls hard for the banh mi. (Dionne Reid wrote the story on Jamaican Pepper Steak, and you can find her recipe for it online and in Cook's Illustrated magazine. Reporter Rebecca Rosman reported on Khanh-Ly Huynh's journey and the history of the banh mi.)

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2023-06-01
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Revolution at the Cookie Factory

In 2017, an iconic brand of Argentina's de facto national dessert, the alfajor, was on the brink of disappearing. New management threatened to stop production of El Grandote, or 'The Big One,' but the workers at La Nirva factory refused. Reporter Facundo Iglesia follows the workers' journey as they fight to keep El Grandote--the alfajor of the people--alive.

The original version of story, Revolución on the Cookie Factory Floor, was reported by Facundo Iglesia and Sofía Kuan for Narratively.com.

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2023-05-25
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What?s On the Menu in 1906?

What did dining out look like in 1906? We put the question to reporter Doug Mack, who dug through the New York Public Library?s ?What?s on the Menu? database for answers. Mack encounters items like flaming omelettes, vichy with buttermilk, and calf brains on toast on the menu of one New York-based restaurant chain, Bristol's Dining Rooms. While these dishes may appear bizarre to our modern taste buds, Mack discovers that there may be more to it than meets the eye. 

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2023-05-18
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The Road to Good Sake

Fumiaki Matsuura had just started his job as the toji, or brew master of his family's sake brewery in Ishikawa, Japan, when he noticed a strange smell. A lot was riding on his reputation as the new face of the brewery, but this odor was quickly jeopardizing the business. Will Matsuura get to the bottom of this sake mystery? Story reported by Hannah Kirshner.

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2023-05-11
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The Apple Pie that Made Me

ESPN's Baxter Holmes was always told: If it weren't for his family's apple pie, he wouldn't be here. The adage takes on a whole new meaning in this heartfelt episode about origins, love, and loss. (This episode is an adaptation of a story reported originally at Esquire.com. You can also read Baxter?s James Beard Award-winning piece about the NBA?s obsession with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at ESPN.com.)

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2023-05-04
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Taiwan?s Unlikely Beef Noodle Soup

Beef noodle soup is Taiwan's national dish, but its existence is surprising, given that eating beef was taboo on the island not too long ago. Today, there's an annual beef noodle contest where chefs from around the nation duke it out to see who makes the best bowl. How did this happen? Reporter and cookbook author Clarissa Wei investigates. (Clarissa?s forthcoming cookbook, Made in Taiwan, is scheduled for release on September 19, 2023.)

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2023-04-27
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Navigating Blindness in the Supermarket

What if you knew you were quickly losing your sight? That?s something reporter Jason Strother has thought a lot about. In this episode, Jason takes a crash course at the Colorado Center for the Blind to navigate what cooking or grocery shopping might be like while blind. (Jason?s reporting was supported by the 11th Hour Food and Farming Journalism Fellowship at UC Berkeley. This episode was previously called "Cooking School for the Blind.")

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2023-04-20
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A New Dad's Guide to Ramadan

The month of Ramadan is here, and James Beard Award?winning writer Ahmed Ali Akbar is a new dad. He wants to pass down his family's traditions to his newborn daughter, but he wonders: How do you navigate fasting and nourishment and as a sleep-deprived parent? Ahmed talks to experts, nutritionists, and other families as they navigate Ramadan together.

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2023-04-13
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Season 13 Starts April 13!

On lucky season 13 of Proof, we travel to Argentina where workers are fighting hard to save their national desert: The alfajor. We follow one reporter?s attempt at improving routines and mealtime during the month of Ramadan. We learn how to grocery shop while blind, and we also hear about one man?s quest to find the truth behind a family legend: Was he really born all because of an apple pie? All that, and so much more on Season 13 of Proof from America?s Test Kitchen.

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2023-03-23
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Going Deep on Italian Beef on City Cast Chicago

Kevin gives City Cast Chicago host Jacoby Cochran a behind-the-scenes look at the making of our Proof episode on the World?s Greatest Italian Beef. Catch City Cast Chicago every weekday and wherever you get your podcasts.

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2023-02-02
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The World?s Greatest Italian Beef

One of the hottest TV shows of the past year was FX?s The Bear, about a fine-dining chef who takes over the family Italian Beef sandwich business in Chicago. Host Kevin Pang is a former food critic in the Windy City, having consumed hundreds of Beefs. In this episode, Kevin attempts to engineer the World?s Greatest Italian Beef sandwich. 

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2023-01-12
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The Amazing Adventures of Poppop?s Bread

Reporter Halley Bondy came upon an autobiography written by her grandfather, who she called Poppop. His life was astonishing: Poppop grew up in the grips of Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia, escaping fascism to create a new life for his family. As part of his new life in America, Poppop brought over a semi-sweet braided bread called vanocka eaten every Christmas Eve. In Proof's holiday episode, an amazing story about family, war, escape, and a very special bread.

Proof will be back in January with the last episode of Season 12. In the meantime, please vote for us for Best Arts & Culture podcast and Best Food & Drink podcast for the Signal Awards People's Choice Awards!

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2022-12-15
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The Proof Intervention of Brian Franklin

America's Test Kitchen PR Director Brian Franklin's job? Spread the good word about the delicious food the company creates. There's just one problem: Brian has the palate of a 5-year-old (his words!). On this episode, the producers of Proof stage an intervention.

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2022-12-08
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Food Accidents

A breakfast cereal created by religious leaders. Chicken wings, infidelity, and revenge. In this episode, two foods we know and love born from accidents.

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2022-12-01
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When Old-Fashioned Candy Was New

Travel writer Doug Mack felt trapped. Winter was approaching in Minnesota. Another surge of lock-downs and travel restrictions loomed. Staring at his blank passport pages, Doug turns to his keyboard and encounters a Twitter post about ... strawberry bon bons. In this episode, we take a trip into the colorful world of old-timey candies.

Voice acting by: Darlene from The Voice Realm, Kevin Pang, and Jon McCormack. The ?King William? recording is from the John Quincy Wolf Folklore Collection at Lyon College.

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2022-11-17
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Should I Cook For My Dog?

We think long and hard about what we feed our families. What about our canine friends? In this episode, reporter Varud Gupta goes on a quest to feed his Jack Russell Terrier mix, Luna. Not satisfied with standard dog food, Varud wants to know: Should I cook for Luna? He talks to eccentric dog parents, dog chefs, vets, and pet influencers to navigate the dizzying world and history of pet food.

(Please consult a vet before making any decisions about your dog or pet?s diet.)

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2022-11-10
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