Jesus crossed the Sea of Galilee, freed one man from a legion of demons, then sailed straight back (Mark 5:1-21). Why that shore?

Scott of BLK SHP Bible Talk suggests an answer, and it starts fourteen centuries earlier with Joshua. God told Joshua the conquest of Canaan wasn’t finished and said, “I myself will drive them out” (Joshua 13:6). Scott’s argument is that Jesus took that personally. Follow where he casts out demons, he says, and you’re tracing the ground Israel never cleared.

IN THIS EPISODE:
-What God says to Joshua about the unfinished conquest, and why Scott hears a promise in it
-Why “Galilee of the nations” (Isaiah 9:1) carries more weight in a Deuteronomy 32 worldview
-Capernaum, the far side of the lake, and the road toward Sidon: three exorcisms and what Scott sees connecting them
-Giants, Nephilim, and Scott’s view of where some demons come from
-The strong man of Matthew 12:29, and how Scott’s reading differs from the way John Wimber preached it
-Josh’s question: pattern or coincidence?

0:00 – Introduction
0:36 – Meet BLK SHP Scott
7:25 – Joshua's Unfinished Conquest
11:44 – Jesus, the Greater Joshua
15:06 – Galilee of the Nations
19:14 – Nephilim Giants in Canaan
25:35 – Coincidence or Intentional Pattern?
31:17 – Gerasene Demoniac in Bashan
35:21 – Syrophoenician Woman at Sidon
44:54 – Are Demons Dead Nephilim?
49:38 – No Exorcisms in Judea
56:45 – BLK SHP Scott Resources

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SUBSTACK: https://blkshpbible.substack.com/
BOOK: Dynasty of Slaves: Uncovering the Archeological Record of Israel in Egypt https://www.amazon.com/Dynasty-Slaves-Uncovering-Archeological-Record/dp/B0H1JTDWSW/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0

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In Revelation 7, John hears a roll call: 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. Then he turns to look and sees a crowd from every nation, too big to count. What you make of that moment says a lot about where you think Israel fits in the end times. Joshua Lewis sits down with Michael Rowntree to work through Scripture to better understand the role of Israel in the end times.

ABOUT THE EPISODE
We recorded this episode knowing the subject is tense. Antisemitism is showing up in places we never used to see it, including among professing Christians, while at the same time many believers have also been taught that loving Jesus means signing off on whatever the modern state of Israel does. So before we get to prophecy, Michael separates three things that get lumped together under one word: ethnic Israel, the nation of Israel, and God’s covenant people in Christ. He also explains his thoughts on “replacement theology” and where he stands on supersessionism.

The rest of the hour is Bible. Who are the people of God, and does Romans 9-11 promise a future for ethnic Israel? Did 1948 start a prophetic time clock? Who are the 144,000 in Revelation 7, what is the temple in Revelation 11, and who is the woman clothed with the sun in Revelation 12? Does a third temple have to be rebuilt in Jerusalem before the man of lawlessness appears (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)? And what do we do with Daniel’s seventy weeks (Daniel 9:24-27)? Michael comes at this as an amillennialist, Josh leans a different direction on the temple, and neither of us expects to make either camp happy.

In the end, we hope our discussion drives you back to the Scriptures for further exploration. 

0:00 – Introduction
5:05 – Replacement Theology Defined
12:00 – One People of God
19:20 – 1948 Prophetic Time Clock
24:37 – Abraham's Land Promises Expanded
28:37 – Revelation 5: Lion and Lamb
31:53 – Revelation 7: The 144,000
34:08 – Revelation 11 Measured Temple
37:30 – Rebuilt Temple and Antichrist
44:27 – Revelation 12 Woman Explained
59:24 – Daniel's Seventy Weeks
1:04:43 – Dispensationalism's Parenthesis Problem

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📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/

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Joshua Lewis, Michael Rowntree, and Michael Miller are just back from the Remnant Conference, "Prophecy & Hearing God's Voice," and they brought the Q&A panel questions home with them. Real questions from real believers curious about the gift of prophecy and want it handled biblically.

So we're taking them one at a time, Word and Spirit together. If you've been carrying a question about prophecy or hearing God's voice, there's a good chance someone at the conference asked it for you.

0:00 – Introduction
0:34 – Conference Highlights
6:07 – Delivering Directional Prophecy
12:00 – Spiritual Covering Needed?
19:08 – Testing Predictive Prophecy
26:28 – Prophecy in Church Services
33:18 – Can All Believers Prophesy?
39:22 – Word of Knowledge Explained
45:02 – Private Prayer Tongues
47:27 – Baptism in the Spirit
52:36 – Tongues on Command?
59:51 – Closing Thoughts

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"I don't believe in the rapture" has become a common line among Christians tired of end times hype. Michael Rowntree argues that every believer holds to a rapture of some kind. The real debate is when.

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We're back in our series on the book of Revelation, and this time Josh and Michael discuss the timing of the rapture, examining pre-tribulation, pre-wrath, and post-tribulation views. They look at Revelation 3:10, Revelation 4, the 144,000 in Revelation 7, and Paul's warning in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the rebellion, the man of lawlessness, and the restrainer.

They also discuss what the early church expected. Where does John Nelson Darby fit, and what should we make of Irenaeus and Pseudo-Ephraem? 

Then Josh asks the question many are too embarrassed to raise: if Jesus is coming down, why are we going up?

Join us for a biblically-grounded discussion about the Rapture.

BOOK:
📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/

0:00 – Introduction
0:57 – Three Rapture Views
4:54 – Wrath and God's People
14:23 – Revelation 3:10 Explained
16:33 – Revelation 4 Rapture Argument
22:21 – Pre-Wrath and Revelation 7
29:04 – The 144,000 Explained
33:53 – The Restrainer: 2 Thessalonians
42:25 – Apostasia: Rebellion or Departure
44:14 – Church Fathers and Darby
53:07 – Why Caught Up?
57:46 – Revelation 19 Military Imagery
59:29 – The World Made Right

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Most of us have asked God for more power. Pastor Jon Thompson wants to know when you last asked God what you DON'T get.

Jon has spent nearly three decades on staff at Sanctus Church in Toronto. Along the way he led a functionally cessationist congregation into spiritual gifts, spiritual disciplines, and a three-year season of renewal. So when he says "God's 'no' is your best friend," it isn't a slogan. It comes from a close reading of Romans 12:3 and the "measure" God assigns to every gift.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE
A lot of believers were told that if they prayed harder, fasted longer, and lived holier, more anointing would follow. And when it didn't, some burned out, while others quietly stopped asking God for anything at all. Joshua Lewis sits down with Jon, author of Convergence, to examine whether that promise was biblical in the first place.

Josh and Jon discuss:
- Why Jon reads Romans 12:3 as a guardrail for leaders, not a ceiling to break through
- Whether praying, fasting, and holiness unlock "more" anointing
- What 1 Corinthians 14:1 and 2 Timothy 1:6 mean for pursuing spiritual gifts
- The regulative vs. normative principle
- Where godly ambition comes from, and where it doesn't
- Whether spiritual gifts are residential or occasional
- Common, office, gift, and assignment authority in deliverance ministry

They don't agree on everything. Join us for a healthy discussion among Christian brothers about how to biblically operate in spiritual gifts.

0:00 – Introduction
3:07 – Convergence Book Origins
6:20 – Regulative vs Normative Principle
11:52 – Courts of Heaven Gnosticism
16:02 – Romans 12 Anointing Limits
32:12 – Godly Ambition & Sovereignty
49:01 – Guaranteed Places of Encounter
59:41 – Revival and House Rules
1:03:09 – Love, Word, Power Gifts
1:08:29 – Residential vs Occasional Gifts
1:15:13 – Office & Authority in Deliverance

ABOUT THE GUEST:
- Jon Thompson Books & Resources: https://jonthompsonresources.com/

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A generation raised on Left Behind was told to watch for a world leader who survives a fatal head wound and rises from the dead. Revelation 13 really does describe a death and a resurrection. But whose death? And when?

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Joshua Lewis and Michael Rowntree pick up part two of our 'Who is the Antichrist?' conversation and work through the beast, the wound, and what John wants the church to expect.

We Explore:
- Where the "Antichrist rises from the dead" idea comes from in Revelation 13:3, 12, and 14
- Whether the wound points to a person, an empire, or something bigger
- Why Revelation 12 and 13 may need to be read together
- Nero, the Nero myth, and the partial preterist reading of Revelation 17
- The "eighth head" and whether a final persecuting ruler is still coming
- Why Revelation 11:15 gives believers a reason for hope, not fear

BOOK:
📖The World Made Right by Michael Rowntree: https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7761560
- Before Jerusalem Fell by Kenneth Gentry: https://a.co/d/08slVT87
- Revelation (The Expositor's Bible Commentary) by Alan F. Johnson: https://a.co/d/07pJ7hP2

0:00 – Introduction
0:41 – Antichrist Part One Recap
2:40 – Beast's Mortal Wound
6:47 – Literal or Figurative Resurrection
7:40 – Joel Richardson's Islamic Antichrist
10:27 – Revelation 12 and 13
19:10 – Daniel 7 Beastly DNA
24:11 – Nero as Antichrist
28:17 – Revelation 17 Beast's Return
32:01 – Partial Preterism and Vespasian
37:32 – Wound, Plague, and Sword
41:37 – The Beast's Destruction

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Michael Rowntree recently posted a short addressing Deion Sanders speaking in tongues at a press conference, and pointed to Paul's instruction that tongues shouldn't be spoken in the congregation with an unbeliever present unless an interpreter is there too, so the unbeliever isn't left thinking you've lost your mind (1 Corinthians 14:23, 14:27-28). 

Comments came fast: isn't there a difference between tongues spoken publicly in a church service and a private prayer language used to build yourself up (1 Corinthians 14:4)? And what about in Acts when people are speaking in tongues with no interpreter?

Was Deion praying in a private prayer language or was he doing what Paul describes as speaking in tongues in church (in public) in front of a mix of believers and unbelievers, where the interpretation rule applies? 

Joshua Lewis, Michael Miller, and Michael Rowntree will answer the comments, working through 1 Corinthians 14 and the book of Acts. 

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After our episode on John Bevere getting the gospel wrong (https://youtu.be/FXXvRTiLNbQ) blew up in the comments, one argument kept coming back: doesn't the Bible say your obedience keeps you saved? So we called in Theocast's Jon Moffitt to answer your questions.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Joshua Lewis and Jon Moffitt go straight into the texts people cited: Romans 8, Matthew 7, Matthew 19, James 2, John 15, and Galatians 3 and 5. They give a verse-by-verse case that Christ's finished work is what saves and sustains, and that obedience is the fruit of that faith, not the fuel keeping it alive.

If you've ever read James 2 and started sweating, or wondered whether the fruitless branch in John 15 is you, this conversation answers your questions.

0:00 – Introduction
2:22 – Jon Moffitt with Theocast
4:00 – Calvinism & Reformed Theology
10:07 – Romans 8 Flesh | Spirit
34:52 – Matthew 7 Workers | Lawlessness
37:54 – Rich Young Ruler
46:54 – James 2 Faith | Works
1:06:51 – John 15 Abiding Vine
1:26:18 – Galatians New Perspective Debate
1:33:06 – Galatians 5 Fruit of the Spirit
1:50:31 – Closing Thoughts On Assurance

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Everyone loves to speculate about who the Antichrist is, but the word "antichrist" never once appears in the book of Revelation. So where did our mental picture of him actually come from, and does Scripture back it up?

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Most of what we think about the Antichrist comes from pop culture, not Scripture. So what does the Bible say? Joshua Lewis interviews fellow co-host Michael Rowntree in part 3 of our Revelation series. Together, they work through 1 John, 2 Thessalonians 2, Daniel 7, and Revelation 13 to ask whether the Antichrist is one final man, a recurring category, or something in between.

0:00 – Introduction
1:31 – Singular Versus Plural Antichrist
5:18 – Pop Culture Antichrist View
10:11 – Man of Lawlessness Explained
13:00 – Daniel's Little Horn Imagery
19:09 – Defining the Antichrist Archetype
29:12 – False Teachers and Persecution
34:07 – Daniel's Four Beasts Unified
44:01 – Nero, Hitler, and Popes
49:00 – Avoiding Newspaper Exegesis
54:03 – Practical Takeaways Today
57:28 – Book Recommendation Closing

📖BOOK:
The World Made Right: Finding Confident Hope in the Book of Revelation 
https://www.michaelrowntree.com/the-world-made-right/

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What if the prophecy that came true wasn't from God at all? Scripture says that not only is that possible, but it's happened before. And, it's happening now. How can you tell the difference?

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Michael Rowntree tackles the question, "Can demons prophesy?" The answer matters because it changes how prophecy gets practiced, interpreted, and discerned. 

Starting with King Saul's unsettling character arc across 1 Samuel 10, 18, and 19, Michael traces how the same Hebrew word for prophesying gets applied to the Spirit of the Lord, to a harmful spirit, and to the prophets of Baal in 1 Kings 18.

Michael also examines whether demons can predict the future and explores why that question has to be answered carefully. Satan isn't the opposite of God, and he doesn't share God's omniscience, but Scripture and church history both describe a limited, counterfeit version of foresight that can look convincing. 

Join Michael to better understand, from Scripture and church history, whether demons can prophesy and learn how to discern the real from the counterfeit.

0:00 – Introduction
0:33 – King Saul's Demonic Spirit
2:04 – Saul's Election Prophecy
2:58 – Spirit of Lord Returns
5:02 – Prophets of Baal
5:52 – Micaiah's Lying Spirit
6:49 – Deuteronomy 13 Nuance
8:01 – Irenaeus and Marcus
9:13 – Chrysostom on Discernment
9:56 – Can Demons Predict Future?
13:17 – Demonic Prophecy Conclusion
14:22 – Testing the Spirits

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- 1 Samuel 10, 18, 19 (ESV)
- 1 Kings 18, 22 (ESV)
- Deuteronomy 13, 18 (ESV)
- Isaiah 46:9-10 (ESV)
- Acts 16:16-18 (ESV)
- 1 Corinthians 12; 1 John 4
- Irenaeus, Against Heresies
- John Chrysostom, Homily on 1 Thessalonians 5

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Everyone agrees Christians are supposed to serve. The question this episode asks is different: did we accidentally turn the pastor into a trainer instead of a minister, and is that even biblical? Who should actually be ministering?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Joshua Lewis, Michael Miller, and Michael Rowntree examine T. David Gordon's 1994 ETS paper (link below) that Ephesians 4:11-12 has been misread for decades. Gordon doesn't question whether ordinary Christians should serve. He questions whether the ordained minister was ever supposed to be a trainer at all, or whether that reading caught on because it fit American egalitarian, populist instincts more than it fit the text.

We're exploring Gordon's grammar, his word study, and his provocation about American church culture, and testing all three against Scripture ourselves. Does his argument hold up, or does he overreach? And if his proposition holds, what does that mean for churches built on the idea that pastors only equip the saints?

GORDON'S PAPER:
https://etsjets.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/files_JETS-PDFs_37_37-1_JETS_37-1_069-078_Gordon.pdf

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How should we read the Book of Revelation? It's easy to write it off as the most confusing book in the Bible, with multiple viewpoints on how to interpret it. Joshua Lewis sits down with fellow co-host Michael Rowntree, author of the new book The World Made Right, to discuss the rules and perspective we should apply to apocalyptic literature (the genre Revelation belongs to). Michael says the moment we reach for a newspaper to decode Revelation, we've already misread it.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Michael and Josh examine why the Apostle John calls his own book "signified" in the very first verse, why Revelation interprets itself and leans on the Old Testament, and why the book was written to form the church, not just predict its future.

Michael breaks down the layers of genre at work, apocalyptic, prophetic, and a letter all at once, and why getting that right changes how you read every image in the book. They also explore recapitulation, the way Revelation circles back and re-magnifies the same events (Revelation 4, 6, 11, 16) instead of moving in a straight timeline, and discuss the four major interpretive lenses believers bring to the book: preterist, futurist, idealist, and historicist.

Join us to hear why Michael says, "Revelation is for us, but it's not about us," and how reading it with the right rules and perspective turns it into a book of hope, not fear.

0:00 – Introduction
0:56 – Reading Revelation Differently
4:31 – Symbolism vs Literalism
10:14 – Apocalyptic Genre Explained
16:15 – Prophecy Foretelling Forthtelling
20:04 – Revelation As Letter
22:34 – Why Genre Matters
33:06 – Preterist Futurist Idealist Views
37:54 – Recapitulation In Revelation
44:07 – Four Views Compared
54:55 – Tools For Interpretation
58:45 – Book Pre-Order | Available at RemCon

ABOUT THE BOOK:
The World Made Right: Finding Confident Hope in the Book of Revelation by Michael Rowntree (Zondervan, October 20, 2027 — pre-order includes bonus content, including a commentary on Daniel 7): https://www.michaelrowntree.com/preorder-bonuses/

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
The Climax of Prophecy: Studies on the Book of Revelation by Richard Bauckham: https://www.amazon.com/Climax-Prophecy-Studies-Book-Revelation/dp/0567086259
The Theology of the Book of Revelation by Richard Bauckham: https://www.amazon.com/Theology-Book-Revelation-New-Testament/dp/0521356911
Apocalyptic by Leon Morris: https://www.amazon.com/Apocalyptic-Leon-Morris/dp/0802814557
The Fathers on the Future: A 2nd-Century Eschatology for the 21st-Century Church by Michael Svigel: https://www.amazon.com/Fathers-Future-2nd-Century-Eschatology-21st-Century/dp/1496487664

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Skillet's John and Korey Cooper just described spiritual abuse they endured at an NAR church. Unfortunately, their story shapes a pattern showing up in many churches across the country. Josh, Michael and Michael will speak with a former elder of the Cooper's church to understand what happened and learn how to better recognize spiritual abuse. 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
John and Korey Cooper recently sat down for a long, detailed interview on Alisa Childers' YouTube channel (link to full episode below) and described what they say happened inside Korey's lifelong church. Leadership they'd trusted for decades had quietly embraced New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) theology. When the Coopers began asking direct theological questions, they say the response wasn't a proper answer. Instead, it was pressure, prophetic words used against people close to them, and warnings that leaving would cost them God's blessing.

In reviewing the Coopers' story, Joshua Lewis, Michael Miller, and Michael Rowntree will walk through what the New Apostolic Reformation actually teaches about apostolic authority, why "sound doctrine" so easily gets redefined once a leader claims that kind of role, and why asking a direct question about a church's beliefs should never be treated as rebellion. We'll look at where this movement's theology runs into what Scripture actually says about who qualifies to lead (1 Timothy 3, Titus 1:9), who the church is actually built on (Ephesians 2:20), and whether any leader, even a real apostle, is above correction (Galatians 1:8).

Join us to better understand the Coopers' story and learn how to spot spiritual abuse before it costs you.

ALISA CHILDERS' INTERVIEW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GwayjaKqfQ

 0:00 – Introduction
 2:13 – Caleb's Background Story
 3:20 – Reacting to Cooper Interview
 9:36 – Church Structure Overview
 15:12 – VNC Course Explained
 18:23 – Apostles as Foundation Doctrine
 27:47 – Caleb's Theological Journey
 33:35 – Relational Leverage and Control
 39:24 – Darvo Text and Gaslighting
 44:07 – Right vs Wrong Loyalty
 50:41 – Isolation and Matthew 18
 58:00 – Gossip vs Slander Defined
 1:06:35 – Third-Party Investigation Findings
 1:11:24 – False Visions Red Flags
 1:16:11 – Hope and Healing After 

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John Bevere's "Under Cover" has sold close to half a million copies and shaped how a generation of churches views submission. In a previous episode, Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller discussed the dangers of the type of authority Bevere's book promotes (see link below). But does "Under Cover" also present a different Gospel? 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Josh and Michael return to "Under Cover" to track how often the book confuses law and gospel, treating obedience as the source of faith and the ground of salvation instead of its fruit. They compare Bevere's own quotes against Luke 14, Matthew 7, Galatians, Hebrews 11, and James 2. 

Unfortunately, what they find is a consistent pattern: obedience is the ground of assurance instead of its fruit, and faith is treated as something you earn your way into rather than something freely given.

Join us to understand where Bevere's book veers from Scripture and how to better recognize doctrinal drift when you see it.

0:00 – Introduction
1:03 – Law and Gospel Explained
6:49 – Luke 14 Wedding Parable
17:16 – Matthew 7:21 Lord Lord
30:41 – Bevere's Sobering Vision
35:04 – God's Unconditional Acceptance
42:43 – Cain, Abel, and Faith
50:31 – Galatians and Witchcraft Curse
59:51 – Abraham's Obedience Examined
1:09:16 – James, Faith Without Works

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Ask a first-century rabbi if biblical prophecy had ceased, and he'd say yes. Ask him if God still spoke, and he'd tell you about the Bat Kol.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Josh, Michael and Michael explore the biblical case that prophecy operates at more than one level of authority. Scripture itself is uniquely inspired, infallible, and authoritative, while other genuine prophetic revelation can still occur without becoming Scripture. To explore this more, we turn to rabbinic Judaism and the fascinating concept of the Bat Kol.

Bat Kol means "daughter of a voice." It's rabbinic Judaism's term for a diminished echo of prophecy that kept showing up long after the age of the biblical prophets. This historical evidence suggests that the idea of genuine, non-canonical revelation was not foreign to ancient Jewish thought and may provide important historical support for the continuity view of prophecy.

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Can you take the mark of the beast by accident? Get it through an RFID chip? A vaccine? A barcode to buy and sell? It's a question that's kept believers concerned, especially with new technologies appearing. But most answers on the Internet start in the wrong place. Michael Rowntree starts in the Bible with Ezekiel and Deuteronomy.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Michael walks through Revelation 13:16–18, then follows it back to its Old Testament roots. His case: the mark of the beast was never a physical mark, but a spiritual insignia, a counterfeit of God's own seal. What it actually signifies is allegiance.

Join Michael to understand:
- Why Ezekiel 9 and Deuteronomy 6 hold the real key to interpreting Revelation 13:16–18
- How the seal of God in Revelation 7:3 and 14:4 and the mark of the beast counterfeit each other
- Why the mark speaks of allegiance, ownership, and protection, and why none of those happen to you by accident
- A closer look at gematria, the practice of calculating 666 to pin down a specific antichrist, and why Michael thinks it falls short
- What Michael believes it actually means to prepare for the mark of the beast today

0:00 – Introduction
1:11 – Revelation 13 Mark Text
3:34 – Seal Context Revelation 6-7
7:55 – Ezekiel 9 Background
10:00 – Deuteronomy 6 Background
11:57 – Counterfeits in Revelation 13
13:40 – Daniel 7 & the Four Beasts
15:27 – Tests of Allegiance
18:46 – Technology and the Mark
20:20 – Decoding 666
23:48 – The World Made Right
25:21 – Hope in Revelation

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A lot of churches either forbid tongues in public altogether or let them run with no interpretation and no order. Scripture never actually gives you those two options. So what does the Bible prescribe for the gift of tongues in church? 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Josh, Michael, and Michael sit down with the question that splits churches on both sides of the Word and Spirit divide: what does it actually look like to practice the gifts of tongues and interpretation, named together in 1 Corinthians 12:10, in corporate worship, biblically? Not in theory, but in practice, on a Sunday, in a room full of people, with order intact and the body edified.

Cessationist churches simply avoid the conversation entirely by not recognizing that the gift of tongues is still for today. Meanwhile, many charismatic churches practice tongues publicly with real sincerity but without the structure Paul actually prescribed: no clear call for interpretation, no one recognized as an interpreter of tongues, no accountability, no sense of "let it be done for building up," for the edification of the church (1 Corinthians 14:26). Both extremes miss what Scripture is actually asking for.

As such, many believers are left without a clear, biblical middle to stand on. We'll walk through 1 Corinthians 14 verse by verse, laying out Paul's actual instructions: what tongues in the assembly is for, why interpretation matters, who should speak and how many, and why "let all things be done decently and in order" (1 Corinthians 14:40) isn't a suppression of the gift but the framework that lets it function safely.

0:00 – Introduction
4:51 – Verifying Authentic Tongues Gift
12:14 – Interpretation Required for Every Tongue?
19:38 – Who Calls Interpretation?
33:49 – Tongue And Interpreter Roles
34:48 – Limits On Tongue Speakers
45:53 – No Interpreter Present
49:54 – Singing In Tongues
52:14 – Interpretation Accuracy Standards
1:02:59 – Shutting Down False Tongues
1:10:36 – Order Not Quenching Spirit

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Why do we need a nuclear family? What actually determines the difference between a boy and a girl? These feel like brand-new questions, but the ideas that make them askable were actually seeded four hundred years ago. Dr. Jordan Cooper joins us to trace them back to their source.

ABOUT THE EPISODE: 
Lutheran theologian and pastor Dr. Cooper walks Josh through the philosophical roots of the modern progressive mind and the broader philosophy of the left: Descartes and Cartesian doubt, Kant's Copernican Revolution, Hume's empiricism and skepticism, Hobbes's social contract theory, and Thomas Paine's radical individualism, the intellectual scaffolding beneath everything from critical theory to postmodernism. It's the same scaffolding underneath the questions above. Once Hume argues that even something as basic as cause and effect is just an assumption rather than a certainty, and Kant argues that categories like space and time are imposed by the mind rather than discovered in the world, the door opens to treating categories like family and gender the same way: not given, but constructed, and open to being remade.

Dr. Cooper's book Makers of the Modern Mind grew out of years doing campus ministry at Cornell, watching students absorb progressive assumptions and secular philosophy they'd never actually examined. Drawing on his background in Lutheran theology and Christian apologetics, this conversation is a guided tour through where those assumptions came from, and why the question underneath almost all of them, in philosophy, politics, and the modern culture wars alike, is simply: what is a human being?

0:00 – Introduction
1:14 – Dr. Jordan Cooper
2:45 – Lutheran Branding Problem
4:21 – Makers of the Modern Mind
10:23 – Union With Christ Doctrine
16:30 – Descartes' Cogito Ergo Sum
26:38 – Kant's Copernican Revolution
31:33 – David Hume's Skepticism
42:35 – Thomas Paine & Liberalism
51:21 – Right Vs Left Liberalism
56:52 – Applying Philosophy Today

ABOUT THE GUEST:
📖https://www.amazon.com/Makers-Modern-Mind-Thinkers-Formed/dp/1952295823

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A pastor pulls a college kid on stage, lays hands on him, tells him to "speak the holy language," and when nothing comes out, tells him his faith is weak. That's the true story that opens a recent Dial In Ministries episode on tongues. We're responding to their episode . . . and we agree with more of it than you'd expect. 

ABOUT THE EPISODE: 
Jonny Ardavanis and Hank Bowen make a solid biblical case that tongues in Acts and 1 Corinthians means real human languages, not gibberish or glossolalia in the ecstatic-speech sense, and that "tongues of angels" in 1 Corinthians 13 is rhetorical, not literal. We agree with them on both. 

Where we split: they're arguing from a cessationist frame — that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased with the apostles. We're continuationists and believe the gift of tongues is still active in the church today. We'll discuss where we agree and disagree on the exegesis, and why we land in a different place on whether spiritual gifts like this one continue.

0:00 – Introduction
0:17 – Dial In Ministries Overview
1:57 – Rowntree's Opening Thoughts
2:43 – Miller's Opening Thoughts
4:41 – Acts 2 Known Languages
8:49 – Xenolalia Vs Glossolalia
21:29 – Acts 10 And 19
28:21 – 1 Corinthians 14 Tongues
33:52 – Prayer Language Debate
43:52 – Baptism Of Holy Spirit
53:48 – Preaching Versus Experience
1:04:41 – Tongues In Church History

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Pharaoh's magicians didn't fake it. Exodus 7 says they did the same thing Moses and Aaron did, "by their secret arts." So what does the Bible actually say is happening when magic works?

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Nelly Van Sickle, pastor at Evergreen Calvary Chapel and creator of The Dancing Toaster Podcast joins Remnant Radio to walk through his "History of Magic" series, a biblical dig into where magic in the Bible actually comes from, starting in the ancient Near East with Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Egypt called its force Heka, something built into the fabric of creation itself, not invoked so much as cooperated with. Mesopotamian mythology named its spirits and negotiated with them directly. If the power on display in Old Testament magic was real, where did it actually come from, and why does Deuteronomy 18 treat some of it as off-limits instead of harmless nonsense? Dr. Michael Heiser used to point out that God doesn't legislate against things that don't exist, and that idea sits underneath this whole conversation: a biblical worldview takes demonology seriously precisely because it takes the supernatural worldview of Scripture seriously.

From there, the conversation turns to names, authority, and who actually gets to use the power of Jesus's name in spiritual warfare (think Sons of Sceva). Nelly also shares how researching the ancient occult reshaped his own theology of the supernatural, moving him from cautious and functionally cessationist toward a more continuationist conviction, wanting to see the gifts of the Spirit practiced rightly.

The occult is surging back into Western culture, and most Christians don't have a framework for it beyond "that's not real" or "don't go near it." This episode is an attempt to give you one. Join us as we trace the history of magic and the authority we have in Christ to stand against it.

0:00 – Introduction
1:19 – Nelly Van Sickle
2:20 – Origins of History of Magic
3:45 – Egyptian Magic in Exodus
8:03 – Mesopotamian Spiritual Worldview
11:47 – Myth of White Magic
16:04 – Naming Spirits and Deities
21:07 – Egypt's Heka System
33:05 – Yahweh's Name and Authority
37:38 – Continuationist Cessationist Testimony
45:36 – Magical Practices and Divination
59:05 – Why Context Matters Today

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Deuteronomy 18 is the traditional chapter people reach for to test a prophet. But is Deut 18 the right test for the modern church? Or is it more nuanced for the New Covenant? Does modern prophecy in the local church operate the same?

Josh, Michael, and Michael will examine Deut 18 together and explore whether this passage operates the same in the modern church as it did with Moses and a theocratic nation.

0:00 – Introduction
0:41 – Cessationist Video Response
4:30 – Reading Deuteronomy 18:15-22
8:02 – Christ Exclusive View
10:43 – Early Church Fathers Quotes
15:04 – Combined View Explained
19:25 – Meaning of Presumptuously
24:20 – Deuteronomy 13 vs 18
32:03 – Nathan Misses Prophecy
43:56 – Acts 21:4 Analysis
1:13:05 – True vs False Prophets
1:18:33 – Accountability and Closing

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Have you ever prayed for a breakthrough that never came, and wondered what that says about your faith? Dr. Craig Keener, one of the most respected New Testament scholars, says we're only looking at half the story. He joins Remnant Radio to explore the theology of suffering - not as a theological afterthought for the Spirit-filled believer, but an essential part of the story Scripture actually tells.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Dr. Craig Keener, F.M. and Ada Thompson Professor of Biblical Studies at Asbury Theological Seminary, has spent his career defending the biblical and historical case for the miraculous. His two-volume Miracles is an essential read for believers (also available in his shorter version Miracles Today). His newest book on suffering turns to the question that so often gets left unanswered: what do we do when we've prayed, and prayed, and the diagnosis doesn't change?

Keener explores what Scripture actually shows us about suffering and healing side by side, including in the lives of the apostles. The conversation moves through difficult ground in Christian theology: whether suffering can be God's will, how the crucifixion holds together the greatest evil and the greatest good in human history, and why the two churches in Revelation given no correction from Christ are the two enduring persecution.

This isn't an argument against miracles. Keener has given his career to defending them. Rather, it's an invitation to hold suffering and hope together, the way Scripture always has.

0:00 – Introduction
2:06 – Keener's Testimony and Ministry
4:16 – Why Write About Suffering
8:38 – Western vs Global Suffering
14:19 – The Problem of Evil
15:55 – Miracles as Foretaste
23:10 – Purpose Found in Suffering
32:52 – Keener's Divorce and PTSD
41:34 – Faith Defined Rightly
44:46 – Birth Pangs and New Creation
54:16 – Caring for the Poor
58:48 – God's Will and Suffering

ABOUT THE GUEST:
- Dr. Craig Keener's website — https://craigkeener.com
- Suffering: Its Meaning for the Spirit-Filled Life by Craig S. Keener  https://a.co/d/0iO8MUtB
- Miracles Today https://a.co/d/0i145Az1
- Miracles : 2 Volumes: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts https://a.co/d/0gOxo5Ar

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What happens when submission to God quietly becomes submission to a leader? When questioning your pastor starts getting treated like questioning God?

Those are the questions we're exploring as we review John Bevere's "Under Cover," one of the most widely read books on spiritual authority in the modern charismatic Church. We're holding up the book's conclusions against Hebrews 13, Romans 13, and what Jesus himself said about leaders exercising authority over believers. Does "Under Cover" hold up? Or does it hand pastors an authority the New Testament never actually gives them?

To be clear, we're not arguing against leadership or real spiritual authority rightly stewarded. We're asking where the line sits between genuine biblical submission and spiritual abuse dressed up in biblical language. For a lot of people in the body of Christ right now, that line has gotten blurry, and it's cost them.

0:00 – Introduction
9:57 – Romans 13 and Submission
28:03 – Spheres of Delegated Authority
41:40 – James and Jerusalem Council
59:48 – Submission Versus Obedience
1:18:59 – "Not Being Fed" Excuse
1:31:52 – Discerning Leaders' Decisions
1:39:38 – Exposing Versus Concealing Sin
1:48:28 – Korah's Rebellion Explained
1:55:52 – Ham, Noah, Cover-Up Culture
2:02:33 – Miriam, Aaron, Judgment
2:20:45 – Closing Thoughts and Resources

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At Kathryn Krick's Houston book signing for "Ignite Revival," over 200 people showed up. Attendees ended up on the floor, shaking, weeping and convulsing, while Krick kept signing copies of her book and called it "revival." Plenty of people online are calling it staged or coercive. Instead of responding to the experiences, Joshua Lewis and Michael Rowntree read the book itself.

What they found was more like cultish language than Scripture-based teaching. Krick promotes a clear structure where apostles and prophets hold the greatest anointing, disagreement gets dismissed as "old wine," and readers are steered away from any teacher outside Krick's own lineage, a lineage she traces to her "spiritual father," Tanzanian prophet GeorDavie, not to ordination or accountability. 

Josh and Michael compare the book against Scripture, chapter and verse. They land on why this pattern isn't just concerning . . . Kathryn Krick is mark and avoid.

0:00 – Introduction
2:49 – Katherine Krick Book Overview
6:53 – Apostles Prophets Greater Anointing
16:42 – Prophetic Reward Prosperity Claims
22:16 – Five-Fold Ministry Holiness
38:44 – Discrediting Other Ministries
45:29 – Old Wine New Wine Doctrine
50:25 – Removing Disagreement Dissent
56:58 – Spiritual Buffet Isolation Tactics
1:03:06 – Katherine's Unique Anointing Claims
1:06:51 – Spiritual Father Pecking Order
1:17:33 – Closing Thoughts

PREVIOUS RR EPISODE ON KATHRYN KRICK:
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"Jesus Calling" has sold more than 50 million copies across its brand. It's been promoted by Christian leaders, shelved in bookstores and gift shops, and quoted from pulpits. A recent episode from Little Light Studios and Stephanie Griffin Ministries has raised a hard question about it: does this beloved devotional have New Age roots?

Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller will explore the claims, call balls & strikes, and help you discern whether this is a book to have on your nightstand or not.

Original episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGvP6K8aP54 

0:00 – Introduction
2:11 – Sarah Young Background
3:52 – God Calling Origins
6:01 – Miller's Initial Thoughts
11:40 – God Calling Introduction Quote
17:08 – Why So Popular Question
26:36 – Pantheism Quote Debate
39:04 – Making Jesus First Priority
45:22 – Contemplative Meditation Quote
49:52 – Cocoon Of Light Anathema
59:06 – Last Words And Blasphemy

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Is hell a divine torture chamber? Dr. Paul Copan says no, and he's the one defending the traditional view. In Part 2 of our Hell Debate series, the Palm Beach Atlantic University philosopher and co-editor of the forthcoming Concerning Hell makes the biblical case for eternal conscious punishment while giving annihilationism the fairest hearing you'll find anywhere. Fresh off Kirk Cameron's viral Hellgate roundtable, Copan and Joshua work through the texts, the caricatures, and the question underneath it all: who is the God doing the judging?

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When people think of hell, images of the devil tormenting souls with a pitchfork and eternal fire come to mind. Dr. Paul Copan defends the traditional view of hell, but he wants that picture gone. So if that's not hell, what is? And if the popular image is a caricature, what exactly has the church been arguing about?

Copan isn't watching this debate from the cheap seats. He was at the table for Kirk Cameron's Hellgate roundtable, the conversation that lit up half the Christian internet. He co-edited the forthcoming book Concerning Hell (IVP Academic) with Chris Date, the very annihilationist who made the opposing case in Part 1 of this series. Friends on opposite sides, writing the book together. Now he sits down with Joshua for the conversation Hellgate didn't have time for.

And the texts get harder the closer you look. Jesus calls the prodigal son "lost" with the same destruction language annihilationists build their case on, yet the son walks home alive. Smoke rises forever in Revelation 14:10-11 from something that supposedly no longer exists. Matthew 25:46 puts eternal punishment and eternal life in the same breath, and both sides claim that verse as their own. Copan walks through each one, and along the way he admits something scholars rarely admit on camera: a text he used to read wrong, and what changed his mind about 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

Then Joshua asks the question this whole debate keeps circling: at what point does our picture of hell describe a different God altogether? 

Watch Part 1: https://youtu.be/sVOQfKMB6RI

0:00 Introduction
1:09 Dr. Paul Copan Introduction
3:08 Eternal Punishment vs Annihilationism
8:53 Kirk Cameron Hellgate Discussion
13:50 Early Church Fathers
17:55 Matthew 25 Eternal Punishment
29:17 Destruction Language: Matthew 10
38:05 2 Thessalonians: God's Presence
41:04 Revelation 14: Apocalyptic Imagery
52:04 Worshiping a Different God?
1:03:48 Universalism and Orthodoxy
1:11:41 Closing Thoughts

ABOUT THE GUEST: 
- Concerning Hell: The Doctrine in Theological, Philosophical, Historical, and Biblical Dialogue (ed. Paul Copan & Christopher M. Date, IVP Academic, available for pre-order): https://www.ivpress.com/concerning-hell
- Dr. Paul Copan's website: https://www.paulcopan.com

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis: https://www.amazon.com/Great-Divorce-C-S-Lewis/dp/0061774197
- Erasing Hell by Francis Chan & Preston Sprinkle: https://www.amazon.com/Erasing-Hell-About-Eternity-Things/dp/0781407257

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A cessationist prays for a sick friend, and the friend recovers. He calls it answered prayer. A continuationist watches the same moment and calls it the gift of healing. Same event, same God, two labels. And that difference explains more about why this debate stalls than almost anything else.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
The conversation continues. In Part 1, Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller looked at how continuationists and cessationists end up misrepresenting each other: different theological streams, suspicion of motives, judging each other's worst instead of engaging each other's best. This episode picks up where that one left off, and it examines the reasons behind the arguments.

Because the deepest divides in this debate aren't really about the facts. Both sides can watch the identical healing and walk away more convinced of their own position. So Josh and Michael dig into the questions underneath: Does personal experience count as theological evidence, or is testimony inadmissible from the start? Why do charismatic scandals go viral while other traditions' failures stay quiet? And how do personal wounds, the cold church that dismissed your experience or the one that manipulated your trust, quietly harden into theology?

Join us for an episode on how we can better see each other's point of view and how to find common ground as Christian brothers and sisters in the continuationist versus cessationist debate.

PART 1 EPISODE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDmzY30Ddl4

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What does the Bible actually say happens to the lost? Chris Date of ​Rethinking Hell joins the show to lay out the biblical case for annihilationism / conditional immortality, the view that the unsaved are resurrected, judged, and then die a second death rather than suffering consciously forever.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Chris spent his first years as a believer firmly convinced of eternal conscious torment, until an interview with the late Edward Fudge sent him back to the text. What followed was months spent trying to defend the traditional view and failing to find a version of it that held up exegetically. In this conversation, he walks through why.

A lot of believers are quietly wrestling with the doctrine of hell right now, caught between a traditional view that many find hard to square with the character of God and a universalism that abandons judgment altogether. Chris argues conditionalism is neither of those things: it takes judgment seriously while insisting the Bible describes that judgment as death, not endless suffering.

Wherever you land on after watching, Chris's closing word is worth sitting with: this is a debate the creeds leave open, and how we treat brothers and sisters who land differently matters as much as the conclusion we reach.

0:00 – Introduction
0:54 – Chris Date's Testimony
6:49 – Defining Conditional Immortality
14:50 – Tree Of Life Motif
19:37 – Why Hell Debate Now
35:37 – Daniel & Matthew 25
42:22 – Matthew 10:28 Apollumi
49:47 – 2 Thessalonians 1:9
57:21 – Revelation 20 Lake Fire
1:13:35 – Partial Conditionalism Debate
1:20:46 – Rethinking Hell Resources
1:30:52 – Closing Thoughts: Atonement

ABOUT THE GUEST:
Rethinking Hell: https://rethinkinghell.com/
Chris Date's website: https://www.chrisdate.info/
Chris Date's journal articles: https://www.chrisdate.info/journal-articles

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Edward Fudge, The Fire That Consumes: https://www.amazon.com/Fire-That-Consumes-Historical-Punishment/dp/1608999300
Edward Fudge, Hell: A Final Word: https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Final-Edward-W-Fudge/dp/0891121498
Edward Fudge & Robert Peterson, Two Views of Hell: https://www.ivpress.com/two-views-of-hell
Rethinking Hell: Readings in Evangelical Conditionalism: https://rethinkinghell.com/rethinkinghell-book/
A Consuming Passion: Essays on Hell and Immortality in Honor of Edward Fudge: https://rethinkinghell.com/aconsumingpassion-book/
Concerning Hell (Copan, Date & Huff, IVP Academic): https://www.amazon.com/Concerning-Hell-Theological-Philosophical-Historical/dp/1514004976

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Continuationists and cessationists spend a lot of time responding to one another, but how often is that response actually accurate? Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller explore the caricatures both sides fall into when talking about the gifts of the Spirit.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Most debates about the gifts of the Spirit aren't really debates. They're two sides responding to a caricature of the other. Cessationists often get flattened as denying the supernatural altogether. Continuationists get painted as accepting any miracle claim with zero discernment. Neither one is a fair assessment, and in a body of Christ already low on trust, sloppy caricatures do real damage.

This isn't a conversation about one bad take or one public figure. Joshua and Michael zoom out to examine the broader habits that shape our theological debates. How should we define each other’s positions? What responsibility do we have to correct our own overstatements? And how can we strongly disagree while still representing one another truthfully?

The goal isn't to erase the real differences between continuationism and cessationism. Those differences matter, and this episode doesn't pretend otherwise. The goal is precision, humility, and the kind of Christian charity that's supposed to mark how believers disagree, because you can't fairly critique a position you haven't first tried to understand.

0:00 – Introduction
1:36 – Continuationism & Cessationism Defined
2:29 – Bethel Church Misdefinition
4:38 – Justin Peters Discussion
13:56 – Show Outline Overview
15:32 – Wesleyan Vs Reformed Roots
22:46 – God Told Me Providence
28:21 – Ordinary Vs Extraordinary Grace
40:11 – Suspicion Of Motives
56:02 – Judging Worst Not Best
1:00:26 – Destiny Image Concerns

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Heresy doesn't knock and announce itself. It shows up wearing just enough biblical language to sound credible. Joshua Lewis breaks down Cracking the Time Code by Candice Smithyman (Destiny Image, 2025), offering a robust scriptural critique that doubles as a lesson in how to spot the same patterns anywhere else you find them.

Joshua's review traces how the book builds toward a word of faith framework, where your own faith produces blessing and protects against loss, and even extends into a claim that death itself may be optional for a sufficiently "heaven-attuned" believer. If that sounds familiar, it should. Prosperity theology, gnostic anthropology, and low Christology have circled through church history since the first century, just with new packaging each time.

Watch this episode to better understand why this book is promoting false teaching and heresy, not Christianity. Additionally, use Josh's teaching as a case study for recognizing the false. The goal is for all of us to get sharper at telling the difference between genuine insight and repackaged error.

0:00 – Introduction
2:16 – Cracking the Time Code
2:32 – Greek and Hebrew Foundations
4:22 – Invented Word Meanings
10:18 – Correct Words, Wrong Theology
15:01 – Word of Faith Imports
21:53 – Gnosticism in the Book
28:01 – Most Dangerous Claims
34:53 – Closing Thoughts

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There are still God-fearing, God-loving people attending Bethel Church. That's exactly what makes this episode hard to make. But in light of recent events, we have to ask: Have we reached the point of mark and avoid? This is a one-stop, 30-minute review of concerns with Bethel to see the patterns.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Remnant Radio has kept an eye on Bethel for years - through the grave soaking scandal, through Bill Johnson's daughter-in-law describing the Holy Spirit as a "genie," through the New Age framework quietly baked into Physics of Heaven, through Culture of Honor, through Bob Jones and Kenneth Copeland getting platformed anyway, and now through Shawn Bolz. We have reviewed many of these practices and situations over the years, and our comments have grown firmer and sterner toward Bethel leadership.

Now there's a new development, and it's not about doctrine. According to Mike Winger's sources, the people currently being let go at Bethel are the ones who kept asking the questions about transformation and change. If that's accurate, it isn't a staffing decision, but a pattern about the thinking and decision making of Bethel leadership.

So Josh asks the question a lot of Bethel's own alumni have been asking quietly for months, and finally says out loud what he's suspected for a while: is this still a church working through its mistakes, or has leadership moved somewhere it can't recover from? Are we at mark and avoid?

This isn't a pile-on. It's for the people who've genuinely loved this church and are trying to figure out what faithfulness looks like now that the pattern is this clear.

0:00 – Introduction
0:22 – Bethel Controversy Background
3:55 – Grave Soaking & Genie Scandal
5:34 – Michael Brown Interviews Bill Johnson
6:20 – Winger's First Bethel Review
7:21 – Physics Of Heaven Exposed
8:32 – Kenneth Copeland Endorsement
8:58 – Shawn Bolz Scandal Breaks
10:03 – Winger Exposes Shawn Bolz
13:56 – Bethel's Public Apology
16:47 – Passion Translation Plagiarism
17:23 – Layoffs And NDAs
20:01 – NDA Rights And Scripture
27:01 – PR Versus Real Repentance
29:54 – Examine Your Own Church

PLAYLIST ON POLICING THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFHSZqA1Q85VKxRrkvEYXBec

PREVIOUS RR EPISODES OF BETHEL CHURCH:
2020 - https://youtu.be/sOTdC5LnrVA
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soFFhiYZY-E
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkKILXkKWs
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRvpVqmk5RU
2020 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6k91pFZWVc
2022 - https://youtu.be/w8b7y7mWIvg
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XlUPjWRqpc
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hseSRlFKzSM
2022 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcgjtvc91E
2022 - https://youtu.be/9Bys8_ylGUk
2026 - https://youtu.be/TN6UbN0Vq6E
2026 - https://youtu.be/NSWzRCDTPNU
2026 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U1-rugrYZM
2026 - https://youtu.be/PEKIozi7Cjc
2026 - https://youtu.be/z0PTDwlpQPo
2026 - https://youtu.be/AcXNqe4vg6E

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You were probably taught to read Daniel like a codebook with beasts to identify, timelines to chart, and an Antichrist to spot. Dr. Jim Hamilton thinks the church has been missing the point, and he makes a compelling case that the key to Daniel's strangest visions is hiding in the stories of chapters 1–6.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Dr. Jim Hamilton, professor of biblical theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and senior pastor of Kenwood Baptist Church, joins Joshua Lewis to walk through his book With the Clouds of Heaven: The Book of Daniel in Biblical Theology. His central claim: Daniel wrote real history and real prophecy, and the apocalyptic visions of chapters 7–12 aren't a departure from the narratives of chapters 1–6, but rather a projection of them. 

Look to the patterns: Nebuchadnezzar attacks God's people, plunders the temple, and tries to indoctrinate the faithful in Daniel 1, and that same pattern gets pressed onto the end times, again and again, until it culminates in resurrection of the dead (Daniel 12:2). Dr. Hamilton makes the case that Daniel interpreted his own God-given visions through a mind saturated with earlier Scripture, describing Nebuchadnezzar's shattered statue in the language of Psalm 1 and Psalm 2. 

However, the sparks fly on the fourth man in the fiery furnace. Dr. Hamilton argues it was an angel, not the pre-incarnate Christ, and Joshua isn't ready to concede. You'll also get his take on the 70th week of Daniel, resurrection hope in the Old Testament, and why Daniel parallels the book of Revelation.

ABOUT THE GUEST:
- https://jimhamilton.info
- With the Clouds of Heaven: The Book of Daniel in Biblical Theology https://a.co/d/00WPN6Zr
- Typology: Understanding the Bible's Promise-Shaped Patterns https://a.co/d/0d5vWjzG

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 
- Waking from the Dust: Daniel 12:2 and Resurrection Hope in Biblical Theology by Mitchell L. Chase https://a.co/d/02n8iyCx
- Knowing God by J.I. Packer: https://a.co/d/0bSWnkek
- The Book of Revelation (NIGTC) by G.K. Beale: https://a.co/d/0dUD4rQ9

0:00 – Introduction
2:40 – Daniel's Theology Overview
4:30 – Dating Daniel's Prophecies
6:59 – Nebuchadnezzar Patterns Repeated
13:07 – Daniel in the Writings
16:29 – Eden to Daniel
19:57 – Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, Psalm 1
28:46 – Fourth Man Debate
46:02 – Daniel 10 Angelic Visions
49:08 – Resurrection in Daniel
57:03 – Daniel's 70th Week
1:02:42 – Closing Encouragement

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Is it wrong to publicly name a false teacher, or is staying quiet the real problem? Emma Stark of the Global Prophetic Alliance recently released a video arguing that exposure ministries are "measuring fruit in hopelessness," and that real biblical justice can only be administered through a five-fold ministry structure where prophets alone have the authority to remove someone's spiritual credibility. Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller go clip by clip through her argument.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
When leaders in charismatic and continuationist spaces are credibly accused of abuse, plagiarism, or false prophecy, who actually has the standing to say so, and does saying so publicly make you the villain? Josh and Michael walk through Emma Stark's claims of relationship with Ron Cantor, Mike Winger, JonMark Baker, and Remnant Radio, and then test her "five-fold justice" model against Proverbs 29:18, Ecclesiastes 9:18, Titus 3:10-11, 1 Corinthians 5, Ephesians 5:11, and 1 Timothy 5:20.

The core problem: scripture never assigns justice to a single office. It's given to the whole body of Christ. When that responsibility gets narrowed down to "only prophets can call this out," the practical result isn't more accountability, but less. 

This is a Word & Spirit conversation from a charismatic theology perspective. We're not cessationists, and we're not interested in throwing out the gifts of the Spirit. But when a new doctrine gets invented and taught as biblical without a single verse that actually supports it, biblical accountability requires we say so. 

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Full Emma Stark Episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY9mfDoZ35I 

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Joe Rogan's latest viral guest claims the Catholic Church genetically eliminated psychic ability from humanity through the Inquisitions. But is that true?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Joe Rogan recently hosted Dr. Dean Radin, chief scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, to discuss his "psi gene" theory. During the interview, Radin claimed that the Catholic Inquisitions systematically targeted and killed people with a genetic predisposition for psychic ability, effectively removing that trait from Christianized populations over centuries.

It's the kind of theory that sounds compelling on first listen. Joshua Lewis did the historical review to test it. Is this true? Josh also explores the theological question underneath all of this. Why did the early church oppose occult practice in the first place? Was it a power grab as Dr. Radin suggests?

Join us to better understand the full discussion. Don't get caught flat-footed when secular podcasts make "confident historical claims" about Christianity.

0:00 – Introduction
0:14 – Dean Radin's Psychic Research
1:28 – The Psi Genetic Project
5:50 – Joshua's Historical Analysis
7:20 – The Four Inquisitions
9:57 – Spanish Inquisition & Witchcraft
13:03 – Scientific Problems Examined
14:12 – Church, Magic, & Scripture
17:02 – Closing Thoughts

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What is simony? And where do you draw the line? Here at Remnant Radio, we do sell courses and conferences teaching people about the gifts of the spirit. We want to be honest and upfront about that, and it's exactly why we're discussing simony in this episode. We want to examine whether what we do holds up under Scripture. 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
The word "simony" comes from Acts 8, when Simon Magus tried to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit and Peter answered him: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money" (Acts 8:20, ESV). That confrontation gave the body of Christ an important category for thinking about money and ministry that we're going to explore.

What did Peter actually condemn, and what didn't he condemn? Scripture is more specific than most people realize, and the early church, as documented in the Didache, wrestled openly with where the line sits between legitimate support for ministry and exploiting the gifts of God for personal gain.

This episode takes a hard look at that line. There are things that should never carry a price tag. Prayer ministry and deliverance ministry are on that list, and we'll walk through why Scripture draws that boundary so clearly. But the conversation doesn't stop there. What about seminary or Bible college? Christian books and music? The Bible itself? 

Join us for a biblical exploration of simony and where Scripture draws the line.

0:00 – Introduction
0:21 – Ethics of Charging for Ministry
8:53 – Scripture on Giving Freely
12:20 – Isaiah 55 and Matthew 10:8
17:47 – Payment for Healing Prayers?
18:55 – Compensation for Itinerant Ministers
23:12 – Honorariums and Speaking Fees
27:18 – Bibles, Seminaries, and Simony
32:03 – Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8
37:37 – Suggested Donations for Deliverance?
51:38 – Didache on Itinerant Prophets
56:02 – Dangers of Full-Time Itinerancy

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Was America's founding a genuinely Christian project, or has that idea been read backward into history by people who want it to be true? Dr. Ben Carson, famed neurosurgeon, former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and founder of the American Cornerstone Institute, joins Joshua Lewis to make the case that the founders' faith wasn't incidental to the American project, but was foundational to it.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Carson walks through the well-known stories: George Washington's providential survival during the French and Indian War, Benjamin Franklin's call to prayer at the Constitutional Convention, John Adams' conviction that the Constitution was built for "a moral and religious people." Carson recounts these as evidence that the founders understood their rights as God-given rather than state-granted and argues this conviction is what allowed the young nation to move as fast as it did.

But this episode tackles some of the harder questions about America's Christian roots. In fact, many Christians today are wrestling with where the line falls between honoring faith's role in government and slipping into theonomy or Christian nationalism (using the Bible not just to inform conviction, but to enforce practice). Josh and Dr. Carson walk through the difficult cases, including Thomas Jefferson's private letters calling Paul "the first corruptor" of Christ's doctrine, the Treaty of Tripoli's explicit statement that the U.S. government is "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion," and the uncomfortable reality that some founders held views far messier than the Sunday-school version of American history.

What emerges is a conversation about the difference between a Christian moral framework shaping a leader's conscience and a Christian theocracy shaping a nation's laws and why the founders, having fled state-enforced religion in Europe, were careful to avoid recreating it here. Dr. Carson also addresses the founders' inconsistencies head-on, including slavery, and how a constitution "inspired" by Christian conviction could coexist with such a profound moral failure.

If you've ever felt caught between two unsatisfying camps with "America was a secular Enlightenment experiment" on one side, and "America should be governed by biblical law" on the other, this conversation gives you a third way to think about it: historically honest, theologically grounded, and avoidant to both extremes.

0:00 – Introduction
0:51 – Built on Faith Children's Book
1:00 – Washington's Providence Stories
4:34 – Christianity Twisted by Marxism
6:09 – Founders and Deism Debate
8:00 – Declaration vs Constitution
11:06 – Theonomy and Theocracy
12:47 – Christian Ethics and Lawmaking
19:12 – Washington's Christian Faith
20:50 – Jefferson's Mixed Beliefs
26:49 – Benjamin Franklin's Faith
33:39 – Treaty of Tripoli Question
35:32 – James Madison and Constitution
38:05 – Christian Political Involvement
 
RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- Dr. Ben Carson's children's book, Built on Faith (co-authored with Kirk Parrish): https://www.amazon.com/Built-Faith-Ben-Carson/dp/1967002711
- American Cornerstone Institute: https://americancornerstone.org
- Andrew Wilson, Remaking the World: How 1776 Created the Post-Christian West: https://www.crossway.org/books/remaking-the-world-hcj/
- Carl Trueman, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: https://www.crossway.org/books/rise-triumph-modern-self-hcj/
- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), Article 11 (full text): https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

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Can a prophetic word reach someone an argument never could? What if the most effective evangelism tool in Scripture is a detail about someone that only God could have known?

JonMark Baker of the Minor Prophets Podcast joins Remnant Radio to talk about the gift of prophecy and words of knowledge as on-mission tools for evangelism.

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We live in a culture that's heard plenty of arguments for God and built a callus against most of them. Apologetics still matters. But what do you do with someone whose heart hardened against Jesus before you ever opened your mouth?

That's where a word of knowledge does something logic can't. A divinely-given word proves to a stranger that God sees them, knows them, and has His eye on the actual details of their life. Paul described exactly this in 1 Corinthians 14:24-25: an outsider walks in, the secrets of his heart are laid bare through prophecy, and he falls on his face declaring that God is really among you. It's the New Testament's own case study for prophecy as evangelism.

This is a conversation about giftings doing what they were always meant to do: building up the body of Christ, and pushing back the darkness in a culture that needs reminding God is real, and still speaks.

0:00 – Introduction
2:27 – JonMark Baker
4:36 – Prophesying & Availability
9:54 – God Speaks Subtly
20:49 – Spirit, Mind, Thought
25:33 – Prophetic Evangelism Steps
36:38 – Parable of the Soils
44:36 – Power & Evangelism
49:30 – Closing Thoughts

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Samuel Rutherford helped write the Westminster Confession. He also developed a four-part test for evaluating prophetic words. That's not a charismatic running loose, but a Westminster divine doing careful pastoral theology on the gifts.

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There's an assumption that the debate over spiritual gifts is a recent one: a 20th-century Pentecostal invention set against centuries of Reformation clarity. But the historical record tells a different story. John Knox was called "the prophet and apostle of our nation." John Welsh reportedly prayed a dead man back to life. George Wishart publicly predicted Cardinal Beaton's death from the pulpit. These weren't fringe figures. They were architects of the Scottish Reformation.

In this episode, Joshua Lewis responds to a four-part viewer question that cuts to the heart of what cessationists often ask about continuationism:
 
1. Did any Protestant Reformers — Luther, Calvin, Knox, Wesley — actually affirm the continuation of miraculous spiritual gifts?
2. Are there accredited seminaries that teach continuationism, and if so, why don't more charismatic leaders pursue formal degrees?
3. Did the lack of denominational accountability in charismatic churches contribute to the scandals the show has covered?
4. Are continuationists mostly Arminian, or do Calvinists hold this position too?

Joshua works through each question with the historical and theological care. Join us for an informative episode.

0:00 – Introduction
0:34 – Questions
2:23 – Reformation-Era Continuationism
5:26 – Continuationist Seminaries
7:01 – Charismatic Anti-Intellectualism
11:27 – Denominational Accountability & Scandal
14:52 – Calvinism vs. Arminianism

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 
- Scots Worthies by John Howie (unedited, Project Gutenberg): https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28272/28272-h/28272-h.htm
- Spirit Hermeneutics by Craig Keener: https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Hermeneutics-Reading-Scripture-Pentecost/dp/0802874398
- Barna Research — "Is There a Reformed Movement in American Churches?": https://www.barna.com/research/is-there-a-reformed-movement-in-american-churches/

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The early church didn't just baptize new believers. They delivered them first. For the first several centuries of Christianity, exorcism wasn't a dramatic spectacle reserved for extreme cases. It was woven into the baptismal rite itself, practiced across traditions, and considered a normal part of welcoming someone into the body of Christ. Somewhere along the way, we forgot.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Matthew Esquivel returns to Remnant Radio to walk us through overlooked chapters in church history. We'll examine the deep and consistent link between baptism and deliverance in the early church. From the Apostolic Tradition attributed to Hippolytus of Rome in the third century, to the Seventh Council of Carthage in 258 AD, to the near-universal practice of renouncing Satan as part of the baptismal liturgy, the historical record is clear. The church fathers didn't see deliverance as a crisis intervention. They saw it as part of what it meant to cross from one kingdom into another.

This episode is for believers who want to understand deliverance ministry historically and theologically. It's for people who've seen something real in deliverance prayer but haven't had the church history to back it up. And it's for the skeptics who wonder whether any of this has any grounding in Christian tradition.

0:00 – Introduction
4:52 – Baptism & Deliverance Overview
7:31 – Defining Christian Initiation
13:29 – Baptism in Scripture
21:36 – Acts 8 & Typology
31:03 – Tertullian on Baptism
40:45 – Cyprian's Baptismal Rite
58:16 – Augustine's Exorcism Account
1:05:40 – Practical Application Today
1:11:42 – Closing Thoughts

INTRODUCTION TO DELIVERANCE MINISTRY:
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If a book promises to give you the heart of God while quietly replacing His words with someone else's, that's not a translation. It's a trap. And the trap has a paper trail.

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The Passion Translation has been endorsed by some of the most influential voices in the charismatic world. Bill Johnson called it the best thing to happen to Bible translation in his lifetime. It's been sold in Bethel's bookstore, read in prayer rooms, and handed to new believers across the movement.

David Fish and JonMark Baker of the Minor Prophets Podcast spent weeks comparing the Passion Translation, line by line, against its claimed sources. What they found isn't a matter of interpretation. It's documented.

Where Brian Simmons departs from the Greek text, and claims an "Aramaic" source, the renderings don't match the Peshitta, the actual Syriac New Testament. They match the Mirror Bible, The Message, and other fringe paraphrases. Fish found over 300 instances in Paul's epistles alone. Simmons also claimed co-translator credentials on a Kuna New Testament. Ethnos 360, the mission that ran the project, says he was NEVER a Bible translator. The organization's own personnel said so on record.

The second half of this episode goes deeper: into Simmons' theology. In his own words, in multiple recordings, he redefines the second coming of Christ as an unveiling of a glorified end-times people rather than a bodily return. He calls the physical second coming "not in the Bible." He says, directly: "Christ is no longer a person. He is now a body, a corporate expression." That's not a slip. That's a system, and it has a name: Manifested Sons of God theology has a long history in the fringe of the charismatic world, and Brian Simmons is teaching it from the platform the movement handed him.

Join us to hear the evidence for yourself as fellow continuationists examine the paper trail.

0:00 – Introduction
3:55 – Plagiarism Discovery Explained
5:53 – Examples of Copied Verses
8:16 – Why Simmons Changed Text
12:07 – Lessening Judgment: John 15
13:29 – Is Simmons a Universalist?
16:46 – Simmons' Fabricated Credentials
18:44 – Ethnos360 Exposes Simmons
20:01 – Manifested Sons Theology
37:21 – "I Know When Jesus Returns"
57:58 – "I Am My Lover" Clip
1:06:35 – "Christ Is No Longer A Person"
1:14:26 – Closing Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
- The Minor Prophets/Mike Winger episode:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9--owgBjtA
- Andrew Chapman's Research: https://theriveroflife.com/category/the-passion-anti-translation/
- Mike Winger's Research on The Passion Translation: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ3iRMLYFlHuv-ISp_iIw1WL8zaEm86L8 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ3iRMLYFlHvXha4rjCj1Po0WLQc_jGGW
- Handbook on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament — G.K. Beale https://a.co/d/09nG966Z
- Typology-Understanding the Bible's Promise-Shaped Patterns: How Old Testament Expectations are Fulfilled in Christ - James Hamilton https://a.co/d/01jQgVDW

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Sign the petition to request YouVersion remove the Passion Translation: https://www.change.org/p/an-appeal-to-youversion-to-remove-the-passion-translation/psf/membership-ask?experience=member&allow_actions=true

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Most Christians think the debate over spiritual gifts comes down to one question: do they still happen or don't they? Dr. Vern Poythress, 50-year New Testament professor at Westminster Theological Seminary, says both cessationists and continuationists are asking the wrong question. 

ABOUT THIS EPISODE:
Dr. Poythress proposes the term "analogous gifts" — the idea that the gifts of the Spirit are genuine, Spirit-empowered works modeled after Christ's own prophetic, priestly, and kingly ministry, but subordinate to it. Not identical to what the apostles did. Not a lower-tier substitute. Analogous with the same Spirit, the same source, a different level of authority.

This reframing has real stakes for the cessationist/continuationist divide. The tension in the body of Christ right now isn't just academic: it's shaping how whole churches think about prophecy, tongues, healing, and what it means to be filled with the Spirit. Dr. Poythress argues that if Gaffin is right about New Testament prophecy being infallible, that doesn't end the conversation, but just moves it. There's still a genuine, non-inspired, Spirit-empowered gifting that needs to be accounted for. And if Grudem is right, continuationists still need to reckon with what discernment and testing actually look like in practice.

Joshua and Dr. Poythress also discuss the history of cessationism, why it developed as a response to Roman Catholic claims, how the Reformation fought on two fronts (Rome and the enthusiasts), and why figures like Samuel Rutherford and even C.H. Spurgeon complicate the neat cessationist narrative. The episode doesn't try to solve the debate. It tries to widen the table.

0:00 – Introduction
0:44 – Guest: Vern Poythress
3:05 – Analogous Gifts Explained
14:52 – Cessationism vs. Completionism
20:34 – Canon and Prophecy
30:06 – Puritan Prophesying Language
44:04 – RC Sproul's Voice
53:15 – Pursuing Spiritual Gifts
59:09 – Closing Thoughts

GROW IN THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT PLAYLIST: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFGpsFnIkPFAIzI4BFoAy3zQ

ABOUT THE GUEST:
"What are Spiritual Gifts?" by Dr. Poythress https://frame-poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/PoythressVernWhatAreSpiritualGifts.pdf

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What if the Old Testament prophets weren't just messengers who received words from God, but participants in His heavenly court? That's the proposal Dr. Michael Heiser put forth in his works on the divine council. The Remnant Radio explores this perspective, walks through the texts, and works out what it means for how we think about prophecy today.

ABOUT THE EPISODE:
Dr. Michael Heiser put forth the interpretative framework that the Old Testament prophets participated in Yahweh's divine council, and access to that court is what distinguished the genuine prophet from the counterfeit. The claim from The Unseen Realm: "True prophets have stood and listened in Yahweh's divine council; false prophets have not." 

Heiser's proposal focuses on the word sōd, appearing in Jeremiah 23:18 as the sōd YHWH, "the council of Yahweh," and describes what the Hebrew Bible presents as Yahweh's heavenly assembly. Jeremiah deploys it as the credibility test for prophets: the genuine ones have stood in it. The false have not. If that reading is right, the prophetic calling in the Old Testament was more than hearing a message from God. Rather, it was about access to the divine council - admission into the throne room of God. 

The concept finds support across multiple texts. Amos 3:7 declares that God does nothing without first revealing his counsel to the prophets, and the council scenes throughout the Hebrew Bible show a relationship that is consistently dialogical. Isaiah is caught up into the council of YHWH so that he can give an answer. He doesn't passively receive a scroll. He's present in a scene (seraphim, a throne, a voice asking "Who will go?"), and he responds. 

This idea matters for the body of Christ right now. The continuationist world is navigating real questions about prophetic legitimacy, accountability, and what it actually means to carry a word from God. Heiser's framework gives us a biblical-theological foundation for those conversations that goes deeper than most of what's currently in circulation. If the sōd YHWH is the dividing line between true and false prophecy in Jeremiah 23, that has implications we haven't fully worked out yet.

This episode walks through the key texts and what it means for how we think about the prophetic today.

0:00 – Introduction
3:05 – Divine Council Overview
10:44 – Prophets in the Council
14:26 – Adam, Enoch, Noah
17:55 – Moses and Prophets
20:51 – Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah
23:41 – True vs. False Prophets
32:46 – New Covenant Implications
43:56 – Democratization of the Spirit
45:33 – Warning: Heavenly Travel

PLAYLIST OF DR. MICHAEL HEISER EPISODES: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFGvabVTMdkZJffia17pz7Cv

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Bethel Church released a NEW statement via email addressing the controversies and scandals involving their organization and the people they've endorsed and promoted. 

We've been consistent on this: the charismatic movement needs internal voices willing to evaluate its most influential organizations with theological honesty. Tribal loyalty doesn't serve the people who've been hurt. And reflexive dismissal doesn't serve the people who are genuinely trying to find their way forward. Both are too easy.

So we're reading the statement. We're weighing what's there. We'll do our best to call balls and strikes, and give you a framework for evaluating it yourself.

Our hope is that this conversation helps you think through what genuine accountability and repentance look like in a public Christian context and what we should actually expect from leaders and organizations when things have gone wrong.

0:00 – Introduction
0:35 – Shawn Bolz Allegations Overview
6:14 – Kris Vallotton's Response
8:05 – Bethel's Statement 
14:15 – Governance & Leadership Review
25:39 – Accountability & Safety Update
33:26 – Wider Culture Ministry Review
42:49 – Platforming & Reinstatement Policy
52:05 – California Privacy Law Concerns

POLICING THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFHSZqA1Q85VKxRrkvEYXBec

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The question isn't whether the lights in the sky are real. It's what doors you're actually opening when you go looking for them.

Something strange has been happening at the intersection of UFO culture and spirituality. People are gathering in the dark, meditating in circles, performing rituals, and then pointing cameras at the night sky and calling it contact. Steven Greer has built an entire ecosystem around it with documentaries, paid expeditions, and a protocol he calls CE-5 or Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. And long before Greer, a man named Albert Bender was sending telepathic transmissions into space from a room he'd converted into a chamber of horrors, complete with an altar.

What is the Christian response? Many believers aren't sure how to engage the UFO conversation without dismissing it entirely or getting pulled into frameworks that are functionally occult. This episode names that tension and gives you a theological map to navigate it. 2 Corinthians 11:14 says Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. His strategy is not to appear monstrous, but to appear luminous, benevolent, and higher. The CE-5 framework, examined through that lens, looks less like a spiritual frontier and more like a very old deception wearing a new coat of paint.

And underneath all of it? The desire is real. People want to know they're not alone. That contact with something higher is actually possible. That desire isn't wrong — it's just aimed at the wrong door. John 10:9: "I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved."

0:00 – Introduction
0:53 – Albert Bender's Origins
2:47 – World Contact Day
5:40 – Steven Greer & C5
9:18 – Benevolent ETs Claim
13:26 – Prophet Yahweh's Hoax
15:21 – Genuine UAP Phenomena
17:07 – Demonic Spiritual Danger
20:06 – The Gospel Answer

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The church that prays boldly for healing and the church that honors its suffering members aren't two different churches. They're the same church. Most of us haven't figured out how to be both at once.

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There's a tension running through charismatic communities that almost no one names out loud. We believe the Spirit still heals. We preach it, we pray for it, we build entire ministry cultures around expecting it. And yet, in those same communities, those who are suffering — the chronically ill, the disabled, the ones who've prayed a hundred times and heard nothing — quietly absorb an unspoken message: If you had more faith, you would be healed. If God loved you, that diagnosis would already be gone.

That's not the gospel. But it can live inside healing culture without anyone intending it. 

Has our theology of healing accidentally built a hierarchy of spiritual status? Scripture doesn't let us resolve this tension cheaply. Paul prays three times for his thorn to be removed, and God says no (2 Corinthians 12:7-9). Epaphroditus nearly dies in ministry and Paul mourns it (Philippians 2:27). The man at the pool of Bethesda waits 38 years (John 5:5). The gifts of healing described in 1 Corinthians 12:9 are real, active, and given for the building up of the body, and yet the body includes members whose weakness, Paul says, is indispensable (1 Corinthians 12:22). 

This episode explores what it looks like to pray with genuine faith and expectation for healing, while simultaneously building communities where suffering is not spiritually oversimplified, those who suffer long are not treated as problems awaiting solutions, and chronically ill or disabled members are not made to feel like a project or somehow less than. 

HEALING & DELIVERANCE PLAYLIST: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsjeViSScFG2ynSDtQTV6NcDuJtZteIv

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Isaac trembled violently after realizing he blessed the wrong son. He didn't reverse the blessing. He couldn't . . . That moment, super easy to read past, is actually one of the most theologically loaded scenes in the entire book of Genesis.

Most of us read past the patriarchal blessings in Genesis the same way. The text doesn't slow down to explain them. Lamech names his son Noah, announces he'll bring relief from the curse on the ground, and the narrative moves on. Jacob gathers all twelve sons and speaks over each one (tribal territories, political trajectories, a coming ruler) and the story continues. We absorb it as family drama or ancient religious custom. We rarely stop to ask: How do these words actually work?

That question opens up an under-examined corner of Genesis, and the answer has real implications for how we understand prophecy, the gifts of the Spirit, and the character of a God who never stopped speaking. 

In this episode, we'll discuss:

- Why the patriarchal blessings in Genesis can't be explained as lucky guesses or shrewd fatherly observation
- Why the "covenant authority" interpretation, that the patriarchs could speak things into existence by virtue of their office, is theologically dangerous
- Why the most defensible interpretation is that the patriarchs were prophesying: instruments of divine revelation, voicing what God had already shown them
- How Lamech's blessing (Genesis 5:28-29) functions as the hermeneutical template for every patriarchal blessing that follows
- What the patriarchal period reveals about the cluster argument,  and why a steady, continuous stream of prophetic activity through ordinary domestic moments challenges cessationist assumptions

The God of Genesis isn't a God who shows up in dramatic bursts. He's a God who never stopped speaking, threading his voice from generation to generation long before anyone had a formal theology of what a prophet even was. Join us to learn more!

0:00 – Introduction
0:15 – Patriarchal Blessings Overview
2:09 – Genesis Examples Surveyed
6:20 – How Do They Work?
9:33 – Speaking Things Into Existence
14:06 – Patriarchs as Prophets
15:02 – Lamech's Prophetic Fulfillment
17:00 – Cessationism Challenged

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Joshua Lewis and Michael Miller answer your questions from their recent livestream on the rise and fall of the Kansas City Prophets. They tackle some of the toughest questions surrounding false prophecy, discernment, and the legacy of Mike Bickle and IHOP.  

Topics covered include:

-How many false prophecies does it take to be considered a false prophet?
-Did God really speak to Mike Bickle in Egypt while he was actively sinning?
-Can movements rooted in Branhamism or the Latter Rain be redeemed?
-What is the value of prophecy if words can't be taken at face value?
-Was Jonah's prophecy over Nineveh a false prophecy?
-Which charismatics have actually stood up and called out bad leaders?
-Why didn't Rick Joyner publicly expose Paul Cain?

Plus, Josh and Michael reflect on Remnant Radio's own history of prophetic reviews and why they believe charismatics need to be the ones holding other charismatics accountable.

PREVIOUS LIVESTREAM:
The Rise & Fall of the Kansas City Prophets: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojy0CtsS0e8

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There's a version of complementarian theology that quietly reshapes the Trinity to make its argument. Most people who hold it don't realize that's what they're doing. Dr. Malcolm Yarnell does — and he wrote the book on why it matters.

Dr. Malcolm Yarnell, professor of Theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and author of the Theology for Every Person series, joins Joshua Lewis to work through some of the most contested terrain in Christian doctrine: the person of Christ, the unity of the Trinity, and the debate over eternal functional subordination (EFS).

What We Cover:
- Why the Trinity and Christology are the two doctrines that everything else in systematic theology depends on
- The three senses of "Word of God" in scripture: the personal Word (Jesus), the written Word (scripture), and the proclaimed Word
- What eternal functional subordination is, where it came from, and why Dr. Yarnell considers it a grave theological error
- How EFS was crafted primarily to answer feminism — not to answer a theological question — and why that origin matters
- The unified will of the Trinity, and why the garden of Gethsemane is about the submission of Christ's human will, not an eternal subordination within the Godhead
- A close reading of 1 Corinthians 15:28: what is actually being subjected — humanity, not deity
- The Athanasian scope of scripture: limitations in the text refer to Christ's humanity; perfections refer to his deity
- Why you don't need to reconfigure the Trinity to be a complementarian

0:00 – Introduction
2:08 – Theology for Every Person
5:38 – Christ's Deity and Humanity
10:42 – Word: Person vs. Scripture
15:23 – Eternal Functional Subordination
26:32 – Doctrine and Cultural Moments
33:43 – The Divine Will
54:46 – 1 Corinthians 15:28
1:00:46 – Closing Thoughts

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📖God (Theology for Every Person, Vol. 1) https://a.co/d/0ibY6QQ1
📖God the Trinity https://a.co/d/05bCwH0d
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Dr. Sam Storms has been one of our own. He's served at our conferences, he's connected to us through the Convergence Church Network, and he's been one of the clearest continuationist voices in evangelical Christianity for decades. His new book, The Rise and Fall of the Kansas City Prophets, is the most detailed insider account of the Kansas City prophetic movement ever written — 310 pages covering 1982 to 2000, the era of Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and Mike Bickle's rise to prominence.

And people are asking some tough questions about it.

This episode is not a hit piece on Sam Storms. He was lied to like the rest of us. He has acknowledged that his discernment failed him. That kind of accountability takes humility and bravery. As we review his book, we're going to do our best to call balls and strikes. What does Sam get right? Where does he miss?

What this episode is ultimately about is discernment — not just the discernment of individual prophetic words, but the communal discernment of a movement. How does proximity to leadership shape what we're able to see? And after everything that has happened, what does it look like to hold continuationist convictions with both faithfulness and sobriety?

There is grief in this conversation, but there is also hope. We're not abandoning the prophetic because Mike Bickle and others abused it. We're asking hard questions — with honesty, with care for Dr. Storms, and with deep love for every person still healing from the IHOPKC collapse.

Previous Episodes on Mike Bickle:
- How Do We Process the Allegations Against Mike Bickle? 
https://youtube.com/live/dlkA_FjimJo

- IHOP: A House Divided - Mike Bickle & IHOPKC 
https://youtube.com/live/EpcaPgqCaGo

- Behind the Scenes at IHOP: Stories of Systemic Abuse Part 1 
https://youtu.be/Y9tDHlOLriM

- Surviving a Toxic Church: Victims of IHOP Speak Out, Part 2 
https://youtu.be/rpo8wJkm--I

0:00 – Introduction
1:09 – Sam Storms' Book
8:21 – Bob Jones Controversy
12:19 – Sam's Apologies
17:46 – Sam's Skepticism
42:51 – What About Empirically Verified Prophecies?
59:51 – Paul Cain
1:02:57 – Closing Thoughts

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What if your mental health struggles were something more than what the DSM identifies? What if there was a spiritual aspect keeping you from walking in freedom?

Dr. Natalie Atwell has spent over 20 years as a licensed therapist, and she'll be the first to tell you she ignored that question for most of her career. Then the cases got darker, standard treatments stopped working, and a deep dive into Dr. Michael Heiser's divine council worldview changed how she reads both her Bible and her intake forms.

There's a quiet crisis happening inside Christian counseling offices. Clients are arriving with presentations - dissociation, compulsive sexual behavior, debilitating anxiety, sleep paralysis - that don't resolve the way they should. The DSM has no category for what some of these people are experiencing. And the therapists treating them are quietly asking a question they're not sure they're allowed to ask: Is something spiritual going on here?

Dr. Atwell says yes, and she's built a clinical framework to navigate it. Drawing on the Deuteronomy 32 worldview and Dr. Michael Heiser's understanding of the three rebellions of Genesis 3, 6, and 11, she maps categories of mental health suffering back to specific entry points of spiritual darkness. It's a careful, clinically-informed attempt to take Ephesians 6:12 seriously in a treatment room.

The demand in the broader body of Christ is real. Pastors are referring people to therapists because they don't have a framework. Therapists are getting stuck because they don't have the theology. Dr. Atwell's work, including her assessment tool that asks about Ouija boards, occult involvement, and even alien abduction experiences, is an attempt to build a bridge between those two worlds. Not to replace either one, but to help clinicians ask better questions.

0:00 – Introduction
1:25 – Dr. Natalie Atwell
3:58 – Satanic Ritual Abuse
7:01 – Counselor's Awakening
9:35 – Darkness Uptick Explained
17:01 – Divine Council Worldview
25:21 – Oppression vs. Possession
29:07 – Three Categories Framework
37:31 – Deliverance Treatment Model
40:06 – Other Influences Assessment
47:58 – Client Case Study
54:36 – Mental Warrior Consulting

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