John Durham, the former US attorney who was appointed special counsel to investigate the origins of the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign and its alleged connections to Russia, has turned an indictment. A grand jury has indicted Michael Sussmann, an attorney at election law firm Perkins Coie, for making false statements to federal officials. Good lawyers and listeners of this podcast know that?s 1001 violation. But what?s unusual about this one? Ken and Josh talk through the interesting points of this indictment.

Then: John Eastman, a lawyer for the Trump campaign, produced an internal memo arguing that former Vice President Mike Pence had the legal and constitutional authority to set aside the results of the election and declare Donald Trump the lawful president of the United States. Uh, was that illegal? Was it ethical? Bad lawyering?

Plus: it?s sort-of news that Allen Weisselberg?s attorney said he ?expects? more indictments, why Donald Trump is suing his niece Mary, and campaign finance indictments are rare but not as rare as two presidential pardons.

There?s been a lack of thumb-headed henchmen news on the show for a bit? so this week, Ken and Josh check in on one. Igor Fruman, a sometime associate of Rudy Giuliani, has pleaded guilty to one count of soliciting foreign campaign contributions. In his indictment, it was alleged that Fruman, along with Lev Parnas and others, illegally funnelled millions of dollars from Russia to U.S. political candidates in an attempt to obtain licenses to operate marijuana businesses. What?s Fruman facing with this guilty plea, and what?s ahead for Lev Parnas, whose trial is set to begin in a few weeks? Yep, it?s time to talk about the company ?Fraud Guarantee? again.

Popular January 6 lawyer John Pierce is back after mysteriously disappearing for a week, and he won?t tell anybody where he went. He?s representing nearly 20 Capitol riot defendants, even though he?s never tried a criminal case before. Josh and Ken answer a question from a listener about whether there?s an ineffective assistance of counsel claim to worry about here.

Plus: you can pay Rudy to make a Cameo that goes against his clients, apparently, and the telecomm/social media companies appear to be listening to Congress...so far.

Trump Organization employee Matthew Calamari Jr. testified last week before the New York grand jury that?s looking into the financial practices of the Trump Organization. It?s the same grand jury that indicted then-Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg a few months ago. What should we make of the details that have been reported about this subpoena? And there?s also one big problem: both Matthew Calamari Jr. and his father, Matthew Calamari Sr., work at the Trump Organization, and they have the same attorney. Is it possible they have adverse interests? And how would the judge handle that situation?

Also: Donald Trump Jr. faces a legal setback in the defamation case brought against him by Don Blankenship. Donald Trump Jr. called Blankenship a ?felon? while Blankenship was running for office but Blankenship isn?t a felon. He was acquitted of felony charges and was convicted of a misdemeanor. Blankenship sued Trump Jr. and Trump Jr.?s lawyers sought to have the case dismissed, but U.S. District Judge John Copenhaver Jr. rejected that last week and allowed the case to move forward. Was it a tough call for the judge? Did the lawyers make good arguments? And what makes somebody felonious? And why is ?felonious? such a good adjective?

Plus: more on the requests from the House select committee for communications records of lawmakers related to the January 6 insurrection, and the very recognizable horn-and-fur-wearing ?QAnon Shaman? a.k.a. Jacob Chansley has pleaded guilty to a single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress. As part of his plea, he acknowledged he may face between 41 and 51 months in jail. Is that set in stone? Does it reflect that the government believes there's more to be worried about with him?

What happens when you?re facing federal charges connected to the Jan. 6 insurrection and your lawyer?.goes missing? And their associate, who has been showing up in court, is not a licensed attorney and is facing felony indictments? Yikes. That?s the case for clients of John Pierce, one of the more ideological advocates. What happens when an attorney is incapacitated and unable to represent his or her clients? And what could happen to those clients?

Then: the January 6 select committee is starting to make requests for information, some of which are going to telecommunications companies. At this point, these are requests, not subpoenas. House Minority leader Kevin McCarthy is telling communications companies not to comply with those requests, saying they are unlawful and if the companies comply, ?a Republican majority will not forget.? Ken says this is approaching the line of obstruction of justice by in effect threatening future legislation against those who cooperate with a congressional committee.

Another thing Ken says isn?t a good idea: doing anything that will inspire a federal judge to write a 100-page ruling that?s not in your favor. In this case, it?s sanctions for Sidney Powell and Lin Wood from federal judge Linda Parker.

Plus: a possibility $5 million fine for Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman, another civil suit for former President Trump and more.

It?s a big week for Michael Avenatti. A mistrial! Judge Selna ruled that the government had withheld financial evidence they should?ve made available to Avenatti as he defended himself in the case where he was being tried for embezzling funds from his clients. He?s going to be tried again in October. Is it a major factor that each side has seen the other?s hand? Does this make the case much more expensive, and is that to Avenatti?s advantage? And is Michael Avenatti a good lawyer now???

In other Southern California legal proceedings ? Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz got married on Santa Catalina Island. How romantic! Ken reviews the spousal privilege for us because, as you might remember, Gaetz is also part of a sex trafficking investigation.

Also: thumb-headed henchman Igor Fruman (remember him?) is expected to change his plea to guilty in the criminal case where he?s accused of advancing Ukrainian business interests in the U.S, including soliciting campaign contributions. Should Rudy be more freaked out ...or less freaked out?

Finally: Ken and Josh discuss charges for Infowars host Owen Shroyer and the sentencing of Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio, and follow up on a ?criminal complaint? about Jeffrey Clark.

Former acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen testified about what happened between him, Donald Trump, and former acting head of DOJ Civil Division Jeffrey Clark in a closed session with the DOJ Inspector General and the Senate Judiciary Committee. TL:DR and also it was a closed session, so here?s what we know; Clark tried to pressure former president Trump to remove Rosen and install Clark as acting AG while Trump was trying to get the 2020 election results thrown out. Does this meeting mean Clark could face legal consequences? What about political consequences? We discuss.

Next: A motion to dismiss Dominion?s lawsuits falls flat, and a judge allows the company to pursue a deceptive trade practices suit against MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, among others. What does that mean for Dominion?s chances of winning damages, and how does a defamation suit work when the defendants believe what they?re saying is true?

Finally: an update on Michael Avenatti. He?s trying to get at least a couple motions for a mistrial and he might be behaving too much like a civil lawyer in a criminal trial.

This week, we?re bringing on special guest Ryan J. Reilly, senior justice reporter at HuffPost, while Ken enjoys a deserved vacation. We?ve followed and referenced Ryan?s reporting on prosecutions related to the Capitol riot for the past seven months and it?s time to check in. First: what does it look like for hundreds of cases to move through one federal court district in D.C.? How is the system handling the volume? And is there any method to which cases have been charged so far? Ryan explains how the insurrection has impacted the work of the Department of Justice and the FBI, both in Washington D.C. and spread out across the country. With so many ideological defendants, it?s likely more of these cases will go to trial, further impacting the system.

Citizens have been sifting through the mounds of publicly available photos and videos from the riots and sending tips to federal investigators. Ryan talks about who these ?sedition hunters? are, why they?re getting involved, and why sometimes they?re a few steps ahead of investigators. Is their help welcome? How likely are they to potentially misidentify a suspect? Is facial recognition software taking the weight off of beleaguered prosecutors?

The Biden administration said this week that the House Ways and Means Committee can have access to former President Trump?s tax returns. The committee says it wants the returns as part of an ongoing investigation into how the IRS audits presidents ? and that Trump?s returns serve a valid legislative purpose. Trump said he?d personally sue to prevent the returns from being turned over (and he did so after we recorded this episode). Are we in for another long battle?

Also: federal judges think out loud, too. A number of the Jan. 6 cases are in front of Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the D.C. District. This week, she asked prosecutors whether the government was being overall too lenient on defendants. Ken White explains why this isn?t all that uncommon in the courtroom, and whether this actually matters as far as sentencing goes.

Then: after he was appointed chair of the Jan. 6 committee, Congressman Bennie Thompson withdrew from his Jan. 6-related civil lawsuit against Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, the Proud Boys and others. Was there a legal reason for this? Also: some former federal prosecutors think police officer testimony before the January 6 committee will make it more feasible to criminally charge Donald Trump. Are they right?

Finally: the Avenatti saga continues. What?s the standard for convicting somebody of wire fraud? Is it ?down to the dollar,? as Avenatti wants to make the jury believe? Does that strategy make him a good lawyer? We discuss.

Michael Avenatti is one week into representing himself in federal court in Southern California, where he is accused of stealing funds from his client. Is he doing a good job lawyering for himself? And is a juror in the trial secretly posing as Josh Barro for this week?s podcast? You won?t know until you listen! P.S. As mentioned in the show, we?ve been enjoying and relying on Meghann Cuniff?s excellent and detailed reporting on the Avenatti trial. Follow her here.

Then: the DOJ has indicated that they will refuse to step in to defend Congressman Mo Brooks in a civil lawsuit brought against him over the insurrection. Why is this different from other situations related to January 6 where the DOJ has stepped in? Also: one person arrested in the insurrection made a selective prosecution argument ? why is he being prosecuted now when so many people who were arrested on federal property in Portland last summer were not?

Plus: when you?re under federal indictment and also rich enough to post a $250 million bond, how do the feds ensure you stay in the country and show up in court?

This week, Michael Avenatti told a federal district judge in California that he would like to represent himself in his second of three criminal trials, in which he is charged with stealing millions from his clients? settlements. There are a lot of reasons why hiring a lawyer is a very good idea and a very smart idea. Is it possible, though, that Michael Avenatti could be making a good decision, even though his experience in criminal law is, uh, as a defendant?

Also: like former President Trump, the Biden administration has beef with social media companies. Ken and Josh examine whether Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act could be revised to hold platforms accountable for misinformation around vaccines. 

Then: Tom Barrack, who chaired President Trump?s inaugural committee, is the latest prominent Trump-tied figure to be indicted. He?s facing charges related to alleged lobbying of the Trump administration on behalf of the United Arab Emirates.

Allen Weisselberg is no longer in executive positions with the Trump Organization and its subsidiaries. Does this signal anything about the relationship between the former CFO and the company? Weisselberg?s defense is going to be very, very expensive. How expensive? Ken says there?s a good chance a full defense in a case like this could even be $1.7 million ? the amount in off-the-books compensation Weisselberg is alleged to have received. So who?s paying those legal bills, and what happens if a wealthy defendant such as Weisselberg can?t afford them?

Then: the sanctions hearing for Kraken lawyers Sidney Powell and Lin Wood with a federal district judge in Michigan did not...go well. Ken and Josh discuss what makes an affidavit too stupid to file, and whether you should be sharing your sanctions hearing on Telegram. (You should not.)

Also, Michael Avenatti received his first sentence: 30 months for trying to extort Nike. This may be the end of his legal career (it is) but it?s not the end of his legal troubles. He still faces two more cases for allegedly stealing money from both Stormy Daniels and a paralyzed tort lawsuit plaintiff. And finally: Can Fox News air just about anything as long as they run a chiron or disclaimer with it?

Surprise episode! Josh Barro and Ken White talk about the unsealed indictments of the Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg. They?re alleged to have engaged in a fifteen-year tax fraud scheme that protected Weisselberg and other Trump Organization employees from paying tax. In Weisselberg?s case, that?s over $1.7 million in compensation. But what?s really at stake here? And is this actually just a way for prosecutors to get to the man for whom the Trump Organization is named?

As of Wednesday morning, there have been no charges yet against the Trump Organization or any of its senior officials. The Wall Street Journal reported that charges for tax related crimes are expected Thursday for the organization and its CFO, Allan Weisselberg. Ahead of those charges, there have been reports that the New York District Attorney gave Trump Organization lawyers a deadline of this Monday to talk prosecutors out of charging the organization. What?s the purpose of that meeting? What can really happen at this point?

Attorney General Merrick Garland will not conduct a broad review of the politicization of the Department of Justice during the previous administration, disappointing many Democrats. He says the Department?s inspector general is best positioned to investigate such matters. Is that a good decision?

Then: Josh and Ken answer a bunch of questions from listeners about why there probably won?t be any repercussions for President Trump related to his role in the insurrection, a hard-number prediction about whether he will be arrested ?at some point,? how Josh and Ken met, and our signature swear jar sound effect. Thank you for sending in your questions and please keep them coming.

The show will return July 14.

The first Capitol riot defendant received her sentence today, more than six months after the insurrection. Ken White and Josh Barro analyze the sentencing memos from the woman?s lawyer and the government. Both agreed that a lenient sentence with no jail time was appropriate for her one misdemeanor count (to which she pleaded guilty) and the government seemed to set a standard for the hundreds of sentences that are expected. What is the criteria and will it determine how other people are sentenced?

Next: some legal analysts worry that because the government will continue to defend Donald Trump in the defamation lawsuit against him E. Jean Carroll, that indicates the government would also defend the former president in civil cases arising from the insurrection. Ken says that the government actually has a better reason to do so in that case than they do in the E. Jean Carroll case. Also: Trump?s attempts to use the Department of Justice and the FCC to get SNL to stop making fun of him were amusing and predictable but not legally feasible.

Also in this episode: the swear jar runneth over as Ken and Josh discuss a Ukrainian oligarch named Pavel Fuks with ties to Rudy Giuliani. Finally: the DOJ drops its fight with John Bolton, Manhattan prosecutors appear to be investigating another Trump Organization exec, and the Trump Organization sues the entire city of New York for canceling its contracts to run a golf course, two ice rinks and a carousel.

It?s been an interesting week for Donald Trump?s Department of Justice, despite the fact that Donald Trump isn?t president anymore. This week, we saw communications from Trump administration officials pressuring people in the Department of Justice to investigate increasingly erratic claims about the November election. In one exchange, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows asked then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to look into a matter dubbed ?Italygate.? Rosen forwarded the request to his acting deputy attorney general, who replied ?pure insanity.? What?s revealed in these communications? Why didn?t they ultimately bend to the will of the Trump White House? Was anything about their communications legally irresponsible? Ken says you shouldn?t underestimate the motivating forces of self preservation, institutional preservation, and the likelihood that many people in Trump?s Department of Justice were about to be on the job hunt.

Then, we knew that the Trump administration had subpoenaed journalists? information as part of its leak investigations, but this week, we found out that extended to lawmakers too. Did they necessarily suspect certain lawmakers were leaking material? What were they looking for?

Plus: former White House counsel Don McGahn finally testified and it was kind of boring, new indictments and new plea deals for those involved in the Capitol riots, and Ken makes a connection between Ewoks, Stormy Daniels and Michael Avenatti because Ken?s gonna Ken.

Before the election, the Department of Justice under President Trump was at work defending him in E. Jean Carroll?s defamation suit, arguing that when Trump denied Carroll?s accusation that he had raped her, he did so in his official capacity as president, and therefore he couldn?t be sued. It?s customary for the Department of Justice to represent the president in situations like this, though a federal judge rejected it. The Trump DOJ appealed, but after he lost the election, there was a question about whether the DOJ under Biden would continue the appeal. Carroll and her lawyers were strongly opposed. Well, now the Department of Justice under President Biden has spoken: they will continue to represent the former president in this case. Why? Was this unexpected?

Ken and Josh discuss that, plus the audio of Rudy Giuliani pressuring Ukrainian officials to announce investigations into Joe Biden?s work in Ukraine and whether Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election, if it?s a sweet gig to be a special master, how you go about searching through millions of documents anyways, messing up a PDF and hurting the opposing party, serving subpoena realness and more.

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn made some news this week at a rally when he seemed to say a coup like the one in Myanmar earlier this year should happen in the United States. Flynn denied saying this, even though he was caught on tape. Flynn?s old boss, former president Trump, is supposedly telling people he expects to be reinstated as president by August. While Ken says it?s not a crime to believe or wish you?ll be reinstated, it can tip over into seditious conspiracy if an agreement is made.

Court documents related to prosecutors? investigation of Rudy Giuliani show yet another redaction mistake. The documents didn?t reveal much about the investigation, but they did give Josh the opportunity to explain the right and wrong way to redact information from a PDF. And the Manhattan DA?s probe of the Trump Organization may use New York?s ?Little RICO? law. 

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance has empaneled a special grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former President Donald Trump, his business, or his business associates. It could be a few months before we know anything, or if there will be anything, about indictments. Is this an indication that Vance expected to indict anyone at all? Ken White and Josh Barro discuss the coverage of the grand jury announcement and the part of the memo sent to then-Attorney General Barr that underlay his decision to announce (purporting to summarize the Mueller report) that the Justice Department lacked sufficient evidence to indict Trump for obstruction of justice. What went into this order by LSFJ Amy Berman Jackson that the memo be released?

Plus: Judge Jackson unseals some Manafort documents, McGahn will testify soon, remember Gordon Sondland?, and why you should be nice to your exes if you?re going to crime.

We know that allies of Rudy Giuliani have been pushing for former President Trump to pay his legal fees or to pay him so he can pay his legal fees. But there?s another urgent ask that The Daily Beast reports Trump has demurring on: ?a strong verbal or written statement saying Giuliani?s work during the Trump-Ukraine saga was done on behalf of then-President Trump?and therefore not part of an illegal foreign lobbying effort.?

Josh and Ken agree this would be inadvisable for Trump if he wants to avoid legal exposure, so does that mean he?s being a good client?

New York Attorney General Tish James says her prob eof the Trump Organization is ?no longer purely civil? and that she?s work on a criminal inquiry with the Manhattan DA. So...what does that mean? Plus: Proud Boys, insanity defenses, how not to talk about your clients and more.

Do you remember Essential Consultants, LLC? Michael Cohen?s company established to make hush payments to Stephanie Clifford (a.k.a. Stormy Daniels) and Karen MacDougal to stop them from publicly disclosing their affairs with Donald Trump before the 2016 election. Michael Cohen ultimately pleaded guilty to making an excessive campaign contribution, but nobody else faced legal consequences for the concealed payment. And now the FEC has dropped its investigation into the matter, citing prosecutorial discretion. What does that mean? Why? Is this the end of the road?

Plus: would Giuliani flip on Trump and would Ken want him as a witness? Can Trump use campaign funds to pay Rudy?s legal fees? Is ?Foxitus? a legal defense? And: more reasons why being in lock-up is horrible and dangerous (but not a reasons judges are sympathetic to when considering pretrial detention) and FOIA-ing for information about Champ and Major Biden, the First Dogs.

On a typical Wednesday, just hours after Josh Barro and Ken White recorded an episode to capture the news of the week, federal investigators executed a search warrant at Rudy Giuliani?s home and office, confiscating electronic devices, because of course they did. News reports indicate the investigation is about whether Giuliani illegally lobbied the Trump administration on behalf of foreign interests. This is bad, right? It?s a big deal to execute a search warrant on a lawyer. What can the feds look for? What if they find other stuff during that raid? Did Rudy do a good job defending himself on television? And is Hunter Biden a good legal defense?

Plus: in continuing coverage of corrupt small-time local officials in mid-size counties, Josh Barro and Ken White talk about Joel Greenberg, the former Seminole County tax collector who?s under indictment for sex trafficking and other charges. Greenberg, who?s buddies with Congressman Matt Gaetz, has been negotiating a cooperation deal with prosecutors, and last week The Daily Beast obtained a confession letter he apparently wrote to Roger Stone when he was trying to get Stone?s help to secure a pardon in the last days of the Trump administration. If there?s one thing Ken wants you to learn from listening to this podcast, it?s this: ?If Roger Stone asks you to write out a confession to crimes, don?t.?

In the weeks after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, the Department of Justice came up with a plan to cast a wide net in its investigation. This would have involved investigating organizers and others who contributed to the event, according to the New York Times, but the FBI wouldn?t go for it. Why? It would be wrong to arrest people for joining groups or attending rallies or funding trips to attend rallies, but is it against the First Amendment to investigate people? Long-Suffering Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson released an alleged rioter and had some words in court for him about his behavior once he?s no longer in detention and his religious beliefs. And was it a bad idea for someone arrested to text the group chat about his intentions to destroy his phone? Yikes.

Plus: hearings for President Biden?s first judicial nominees begin, with one name widely believed to be his pick for the next Supreme Court vacancy; Matt Gaetz, public corruption, and medical marijuana; and more demands for now-citizen Donald Trump to testify as part of lawsuits.

We got a remarkably rapid guilty verdict in the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chuavin this Tuesday, convicted of counts including second degree unintentional murder. Josh Barro and Ken White talk about the verdict plus comments from President Biden and Congresswoman Maxine Waters and if they?ll jeopardize the verdict.

Plus: the first plea deal of the insurrection, Roger Stone?s tax troubles and more.

Josh Barro and Ken White discuss the different way Rudy Giuliani is responding to Dominion Voting Systems? defamation lawsuit against him. Why might he have taken a different approach from Sidney Powell? Plus: former Rep. Katie Hill sued the Daily Mail under California?s revenge porn statute, and this week a judge threw out the suit and the decision was on an anti-SLAPP motion, so Hill may have to pay for the paper?s legal defense. The Daily Mail had published compromising photos of Hill, which her ex-husband leaked, and the judge said the photos were a ?matter of public concern.? Is this a sweeping decision? Hunter Biden?s under investigation and promoting his new book, which Ken thinks is a bad idea, but it turns out his book is pretty boring. Does that make this more okay? (Ken says: No, not really.)

Plus: investigating the Weisselbergs and more legal developments for the people arrested in connection with the U.S. Capitol riot.

Josh Barro and Ken White discuss reports of a federal investigation into Congressman Matt Gaetz. What are the legal issues here? Was it smart for Gaetz to give a prime time interview about it on television? And why was this news apparently leaked? Plus: the Trump campaign set some donors up for recurring donations in a way that was dense and confusing. Is that fraud, and could some donors have a good case to sue the campaign?

Recently, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals set a standard for pretrial detention for those arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. How?s that working out? Due to a filing error, we know prosecutors might be close to a plea deal with at least one person. Was that accidental filing a major blunder?