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The Home Service Expert Podcast

The Home Service Expert Podcast

The Home Service Expert podcast is the No. 1 podcast for ambitious home service entrepreneurs, whether they are in plumbing, HVAC or another niche. In this show, Tommy Mello, a $200M business founder, will talk with the best entrepreneurs and experts in the home service industry and beyond, to share insights that have made them successful: from the newest marketing tools to the best scaling strategies. Previous podcast guests include Terry Nicholson (former national trainer of NYSE-listed home services company), Craig Smith (President of HomeAdvisor, a home services marketplace valued at $2B+), Cameron Herold (former COO of three $100M+ companies), etc.

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Episodes

From Convict to CEO - A Journey of Transformation with Weldon Long

In this episode, Tommy talks with Weldon Long, an ex-con turned successful entrepreneur, author, and CEO. Weldon shares his journey of overcoming adversity and the powerful mindset shifts that fueled his success. They dive into essential topics such as the role of transparency in sales, understanding customer expectations, and building trust. Weldon also discusses the future of sales, the impact of mindset on personal growth, and how simple marketing techniques and storytelling can drive business success.

 

For more information about Weldon Long, visit https://weldonlong.com/books/

 

Don?t forget to register for Tommy?s event, Freedom 2025! 

This is the event where Tommy?s billion-dollar network will break down exactly how to accelerate your business and dominate your market in 2025. 

For more details visit freedomevent.com

2025-03-21
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The Path to Meaningful Change with JD Ploetz

In this episode, JD Ploetz, a long-time area manager at Tommy?s company, shares his journey as a seasoned leader and manager, growth, leadership, and overcoming challenges in the trades industry. JD reflects on his early days as a technician and the evolution of his role into management, eventually overseeing multiple locations. He opens up about the struggles of managing people, balancing business growth, and the importance of leadership in creating a successful team culture. JD also discusses his recent book, Nothing Changes When Nothing Changes, which highlights actionable advice on personal development, time management, and financial responsibility. He shares how these principles have transformed his own life and how he?s using them to mentor his team and help them navigate not only their careers but also their personal challenges. This episode is packed with insights on leadership, personal growth, and the power of building trust within a team.

You can purchase JD?s new book here! 

https://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Changes-When-Universal-Meaningful/dp/1953487211

Don?t forget to register for Tommy?s event, Freedom 2025! 

This is the event where Tommy?s billion-dollar network will break down exactly how to accelerate your business and dominate your market in 2025. 

For more details visit freedomevent.com

2025-03-14
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The Art of Building Trust in Marketing with John Jantsch

In this episode, Tommy speaks with John Jantsch, a marketing expert and founder of Duct Tape Marketing, about the critical role of marketing in small business success. John is an expert at creating marketing strategies, building trust with customers, and creating tailored marketing systems for small and large businesses. In this episode, John provides actionable strategies for generating leads and retaining customers through effective sales training and referral systems, and gives his advice on how to adapt to the future of AI in marketing. 

For more information about John and his company, you can visit ducttapemarketing.com

Don?t forget to register for Tommy?s event, Freedom 2025! 

This is the event where Tommy?s billion-dollar network will break down exactly how to accelerate your business and dominate your market in 2025. 

For more details visit freedomevent.com

 

2025-03-07
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Staying Competitive by Adopting AI to Optimize Efficiency

Boris Valkov is the Co-Founder & CEO at Lace, and a technology leader with expertise in artificial intelligence and machine learning. With a background in engineering leadership at top tech companies, he is dedicated to bringing AI-driven solutions to the home service industry. His work focuses on optimizing call center operations, improving booking rates, and helping businesses unlock new growth opportunities through data-driven decision-making.

In this episode, we talked about common call center challenges, automation, marketing ROI?

 

2025-02-28
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Q&A With Tommy - Stop Trading Time for Money: How to Build a Self-Sustaining Business

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 22 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about lead generation, delegation, financial intelligence?

2025-02-21
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Hustle vs. Leadership: The Right Moves that Change Everything for Your Business

DJ Carroll is the CEO of Carroll Media. He is an expert on sales psychology and advertising strategy, focused on helping others achieve their business goals. As an author and speaker, he travels the country motivating and training entrepreneurs in social media strategies and how to make the most of their advertising budget.

In this episode, we talked about employee support, AI integration in business, profitability strategies...

2025-02-14
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Building a Winning Culture: Lessons from a Former Addict and Elite Athlete

Tony Hoffman is the Founder of PH Wellness, a drug and alcohol addiction treatment facility in Southern California. After being released from prison in 2008, Tony overcame his addiction and achieved significant milestones as a former BMX Elite Pro, including placing 2nd at the 2016 World Championships.

In this episode, we talked about mental health, addiction recovery, habits...

2025-02-07
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Re-Air: Buying Back Your Time with Dan Martell

This week we're re-airing an episode from 2023 with business LEGEND Dan Martell.


Dan Martell is the founder and CEO of SaaS Academy. He is a serial entrepreneur, investor, and coach who has helped thousands of entrepreneurs worldwide build successful businesses. He is passionate about helping entrepreneurs achieve their goals and has consequently developed a range of resources to support them, including his podcast, "The Martell Method," and his best-selling book, "Buy Back Your Time."


Don't forget to register for Tommy's event, Freedom 2025!


This is the event where Tommy's billion-dollar network will break down exactly how to accelerate your business and dominate your market.


For more details visit freedomevent.com

2025-01-31
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Q&A With Tommy - Doubling Down on Core Markets and Rethinking Expansion Strategies

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 22 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about operational efficiency, branding, team management...

2025-01-24
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The Homegrown Advantage: Why Training From Scratch Beats Hiring Experience

Chris Lee and Daryl Kelly are long-time business partners and entrepreneurs, known for co-founding Solgen Power, a solar energy company that rapidly scaled to over $200 million in revenue through innovative sales strategies and operational excellence.

In this episode, we talked about scaling operations, maintaining margins, long-term partnerships, home-grown talent development...

2025-01-17
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Achieving 500% Productivity Through Flow States

Steven Kotler is the Executive Director of the Flow Research Collective and a leading expert in peak performance. He is an 11-time national bestselling author, known for successful books such as ?The Art of Impossible,? and ?The Future is Faster Than You Think.?

In this episode, we talked about the science and application of flow, recovery and energy management, motivation and goal-setting?

2025-01-10
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Building a Team That Builds the Business: How to Recruit Strategically

J.J. Levenske is the President and Co-Founder of Bleuwave, a company that provides facilities-based solutions for its clients. J.J. has over 30 years of experience in the construction and business solutions industry, and is a past board member at Vistage Worldwide, Inc., a global CEO peer advisory and executive coaching organization. He is also the host at MAC & Bleu, a podcast covering all things related to Building the Future.

In this episode, we talked about team building, mergers and acquisitions, visionary leadership, enterprise value growth...

2025-01-03
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Q&A With Tommy - Elevating Your Workforce in 2025

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 22 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses. 

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about hiring, marketing budgets, valuation?

2024-12-27
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Don?t Go Broke Trying to Get Rich with Ryan Pineda

Ryan Pineda is a successful real estate investor, entrepreneur, and author of The Wealthy Way, with over $100 million in investments and multiple thriving businesses. 

In this episode, we talked about wealth-life balance, personal branding, real estate market and investments, influence...

 

2024-12-20
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Mastering the Art of Negotiation with Chris Voss

Chris Voss is the world's #1 Negotiation Coach and CEO at The Black Swan Group, a negotiation consultancy serving Fortune 500 companies globally. He represented the U.S. in international conferences and served as the FBI?s hostage negotiation representative on the National Security Council?s Hostage Working Group.

In this episode, we talked about negotiation techniques, ethical influence, systems thinking...

2024-12-13
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Breaking Down the Science of Virality with Brendan Kane

Brendan Kane is a Managing Partner at Hook Point. He is a digital marketing expert who has been helping top brands and celebrities create viral content since 2005. Overseeing $300 million in marketing spend, he has worked with major corporations like MTV, Paramount Pictures, and IKEA, generating over $1 billion in revenue. His celebrity clients include Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Adriana Lima, for whom he crafted successful digital strategies. Brendan is also the best-selling author of ?One Million Followers? and ?Hook Point: How to Stand out in a 3-Second World.?

In this episode, we talked about social media presence, virality, content format, organic media strategies?

2024-12-06
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Role-Playing Sales Objections: Pro Sales Tactics That Work

Brian Burton is the General Manager of Benjamin Franklin Plumbing Phoenix and the host of the Waste No Day Podcast. He previously served as VP of Sales for One Hour Heating and Air Conditioning of Southeast PA and was an Operations Manager at Rohrer?s Mister Sparky Electric. 

Logan Altland is the #1 salesman at Mister Sparky, holding the position for two consecutive years, and brings over a decade of experience as an electrician.

In this episode, we talked about sales tactics, customer interaction, overcoming sales objections?

2024-11-29
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Q&A With Tommy - Refining Training Programs to Recruit and Retain A-Players

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 22 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about business intelligence, employee accountability, development programs...

2024-11-22
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Keep Them Coming Back with Proven Client Retention Strategies

Ismael Valdez is the Owner and CEO of Nexgen Air Conditioning Heating and Plumbing, a $100 million Southern California company that highlights superior customer service, data efficiency, and a highly-trained staff of technicians and contractors. From initially working as a ?counter guy? at a wholesale distributor to expanding his own HVAC company, Ismael has emerged as one of the most innovative figures in the home services sector.

Travis Ringe is the President of ProSkill Plumbing, Heating & Air, which was established in 2008 by Travis and his brother Tyler, who both grew up in a family of tradesmen.

In this episode, we talked about customer feedback, client retention strategies, service efficiencies...

2024-11-15
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Transforming Data into More Calls and Better Conversions

Chris Yano is the CEO of RYNO Strategic Solutions and has been leading the company since 2008. He is an experienced business owner, investor, and philanthropist with a heart for the trades and a successful history working in the home services digital marketing and advertising industry. Chris is also the host of the popular ?To The Point Home Services Podcast,? which offers marketing solutions to help more companies grow.

In this episode, we talked about data-driven business decision-making, digital marketing, private equity?

2024-11-08
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Driving Growth Through Private Equity Partnerships to Scale Home Service Brands

Rob Parker and Eric Van Dam are Managing Directors and Co-Heads of Residential Services at Piper Sandler. Rob was one of the founders of Quarton Partners. He has advised public and private clients on numerous mergers, acquisitions, LBO, cross border, and capital raising transactions across a variety of industries.

Eric, on the other hand, brings over 15 years of experience from over 100 transactions. Eric expertise lies in middle market mergers and acquisitions engagements.

In this episode, we talked about mergers and acquisitions strategy, private equity, financial metrics...

2024-11-01
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Mastering the Principles of Influence with Dr. Robert Cialdini

Dr. Robert Cialdini is the Founder of Cialdini Institute and the President of Influence at Work. Recognized as the ?Godfather of influence,? he is known for his cutting edge scientific research and ethical business and policy applications. Dr. Cialdini is also the New York Times Bestselling Author of ?Influence? and ?Pre-suasion.?

In this episode, we talked about principles of influence, ethical persuasion, personal development...

2024-10-25
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Q&A With Tommy - Taking Market Share: How to Manage Finances and Scale Without Debt

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about customer service, finance and credit, talent retention, scaling strategies...

2024-10-18
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Unlocking Success by Combining Visionary Thinking with Consistent Execution

Benny Fisher is the Founder of The Big Fish Contracting Company. He is an experienced public speaker, business consultant, and marketer. Benny has earned a reputation for outstanding customer satisfaction, gaining several awards including, GAF Master Elite Contractor, GAF President?s Award, Beacon Lighthouse Award, Angie Super Service, and hundreds of 5-Star Google reviews.

In this episode, we talked about personal growth, delegation techniques, personal branding...

2024-10-11
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Implementing Bulletproof Systems to Build a Scalable, High-Performance Team

Cameron Herold is the Founder of the COO Alliance & Second In Command Podcast. Known as ?The CEO Whisperer? and a business growth guru, he earned his reputation by guiding CEO & COO clients to double their profit and double their revenue in just three years or less.

In this episode, we talked about scalable systems, employee development, delegation...

2024-10-04
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How to Develop Mental Toughness to Edge Out The Competition

Andy Elliott is the CEO and Co-founder of The Elliott Group, the fastest growing automotive sales training company and virtual training program in the world which currently trains 185,000 salespeople across the globe. He also runs the largest car sales training channel on Youtube while hosting a live automotive sales seminar called ?The Master Closer Seminar? based in Scottsdale, Arizona.

In this episode, we talked about work ethics, mental toughness, sales tactics...

2024-09-27
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Q&A With Tommy - Moving Beyond Revenue Goals for Lasting Success

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about profitability, mindset shifts, equity incentive programs...

2024-09-20
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Mastering Arbitrage and Turning Small Acquisitions into Big Gains

Travis Ringe is the President of ProSkill Plumbing, Heating & Air, the Phoenix Area's Premier plumbing, heating and air conditioning service contractor. Proskill Plumbing was established in 2008 by Travis and his brother Tyler, who both grew up in a family of tradesmen.

In this episode, we talked about arbitrage, roll-up strategy, health and fitness, customer retention...

 

2024-09-13
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Building a High-Performance Team: Insights from a Multi-Million Dollar Home Services Powerhouse

Chad Peterman is the president of Peterman Brothers Heating, Cooling & Plumbing, a family-owned, full-service HVAC & plumbing company located in Indiana. It was recognized as the 2019 Residential Contractor of the Year by Plumbing & Mechanical. He is also the host of the Can?t Stop the Growth Podcast.

In this episode, we talked about greenfield, networking, personnel management, operational metrics?

2024-09-10
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Growth Without Burnout: Balancing Team Wellness with Business Success

Aaron Gaynor is the owner and CEO of Eco Plumbers, a residential plumbing company with a full range of eco-friendly products and services. With a decade?s worth of experience as a licensed green plumber, Aaron has grown his business to a team of 87 strong, even guiding it through a recession-battered economy. 

In this episode, we talked about rebranding, operational excellence, EBITDA, decision-making...

 

2024-09-06
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Crafting Systems for Success: Mastering Implementation To Fast-Track Your Business Growth

Howard Partridge is the President of Phenomenal Products Inc., a company dedicated to equipping small business owners with the systems and strategies needed to build successful businesses. He is an international business coach and the best-selling author of ?The Power of Community.?

In this episode, we talked about system implementation, business relationships, communities, time management?

2024-09-03
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How to Optimize Every Stage of Your Marketing Funnel for Maximum ROI

Jim Leslie was the former Chief Technology Officer and Chief Marketing Officer of A1 Garage Door Service. He is Tommy?s go-to guy for building software needed by A1, and is also a great contributor to the success of organizing Vertical Track and the Freedom events.

In this episode, we talked about talent acquisition, lead conversion, marketing and operations...

2024-08-30
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Secrets to Service Champions? $500M Success with Leland Smith

Leland Smith is the Founder of Service Champions Heating & Air Conditioning, an industry leader that continues to provide homeowners in Southern California with services beyond expectations.

In this episode, we talked about recruitment practices, training & development, happy money promises...

2024-08-27
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Q&A With Tommy - Proven Strategies for Marketing, Leadership, and Organizational Success

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about digital marketing, task delegation, smart networking?

2024-08-23
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Ken Goodrich?s Proven Strategies to Build and Grow a Sellable Business

Ken Goodrich is an expert in business process, negotiation, mergers and acquisition, business planning and operations management. As Chairman of Goettl, he is widely recognized by organizations such as the Las Vegas Business Press, Top 40 Under 40 Professionals, and the Business Professional of the Year Success Club.

In this episode, we talked about selling businesses, mentorship, hiring practices?

2024-08-20
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Streamlining Your Operations with the Right Tools and Talent

Tom Howard is the VP of Customer Experience at ServiceTitan. An experienced home service entrepreneur and consultant, Tom owns multiple residential and commercial service companies in California, including a pest control company and an HVAC company.

In this episode, we talked about budget management, automation tools, financing, marketing strategies...

2024-08-16
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The Secret Growth Strategy of Multi-Million Dollar Entrepreneurs: Building Relationships

Steve Sims is an entrepreneur, speaker and coach. He was labeled ?The Real Life Wizard of Oz? by Entrepreneur Magazine for his experience with teaching the art of communication and helping businesses accelerate their goals. He is also the author of the best-selling book ?Bluefishing: The Art of Making Things Happen.?

In this episode, we talked about networking strategies, branding, mentorship...

2024-08-09
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Embracing Financial Transparency to Build Accountability in Your Organization

Ellen Rohr is the co-founder of Zoom Drain and the Brand + Industry Marketing Lead for Service Titan. She has worked as a columnist for Huffington Post, PHC News, and is a contributor to many business journals and trade magazines.

In this episode, we talked about financial literacy, debt management, profit margins?

 

2024-08-02
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Q&A With Tommy - Stacking the Deck with A-Plus Leaders and Top Talent

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about digital marketing, task delegation, smart networking?

2024-07-26
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Transforming the Hustler Into A Resilient Leader with Keith Mercurio

Keith Mercurio is the Senior Director of Executive Success of ServiceTitan, and CEO & Founder at Ethical Influence Global. Keith has spoken to nearly 20,000 people on the topics of leadership, influence, sales, and personal development. He has also guided over 600 businesses and transformed their own leadership identity and led unprecedented growth for their teams.

In this episode, we talked about building relationships, personal transformation, mental health...

 

2024-07-19
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From Idea to Implementation: How To Get Things Done Right And Fast

David Cogan is the Founder of Eliances (Where Entrepreneurs Align), a vast private community of diverse leaders, including celebrities and billionaires. With corporate experience from IBM and Microsoft, he's also a successful serial entrepreneur in e-commerce, healthcare, and more. David is a Docusign Global Advisory Board Member, an adjunct college professor, and an advisor to Eureka Loft, a mayoral initiative.

In this episode, we talked about work-life balance, time management, launching strategies, relationship building?

2024-07-12
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Developing a Family-Oriented Business Culture to Improve Employee Retention

Eduard Mirzoian is the CEO of RESTORERZ - Emergency Services, the most trusted and technologically advanced emergency restoration company in Southern California. He has a Bachelor?s degree in Architecture from the University of Nevada - Las Vegas and he previously worked as an Operations Manager at Dry Tech Restoration for more than ten years.

In this episode, we talked about the restoration industry, building client relationships, insurance companies?

 

2024-07-05
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Q&A With Tommy - Scaling Your Growth with Financials, Recruitment, and Online Marketing

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through HomeServiceMillionaire.com and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about business efficiency, online brand presence, scaling strategies...

2024-06-28
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The Right People, Processes, and Leadership Styles For Success

Brian Davenport is the Senior Vice President of Operations at A1 Garage Door Services and former Regional VP of Operations. Part of his role at the company is to find new talent and lead people to their full potential. His other specialties include executive leadership, customer service excellence, and personal development.

In this episode, we talked about effective meetings, employee behavior patterns, operations?

2024-06-21
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From Addiction to Achievement: How Mental Health Fuels Business Growth

Dr. Anna Lembke is a professor of psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine and chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic. She appeared in the Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma, an unvarnished look at the impact of social media on our lives and is also the author of ?Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence,? an instant New York Times Bestseller.

In this episode, we talked about addiction psychology, mental illness, treatment, productivity habits...

2024-06-14
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Inside The Franchise Playbook: From Startups to Scalable Empires

Dan Claps is the Chief Executive Officer & Co-Founder of Voda Cleaning & Restoration, a successful Franchise Playbook Brand. He?s a serial entrepreneur in the franchise space who joined Murphy Business and Financial Corporation as the franchise system's youngest Business Broker in 2014.

In this episode, we talked about franchising strategies, local service ads, lead generation...

 

2024-06-07
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Unlocking Millionaire Success Habits with Dean Graziosi

Dean Graziosi is the co-founder of Mastermind.com. He is a professional speaker, host of the ?Own YOUR Future Podcast,? and the New York Times bestselling author of ?Millionaire Success Habits? and ?The Underdog Advantage.?

In this episode, we talked about work-life balance, product strategies, marketing initiatives...

2024-05-31
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Q&A With Tommy - Maximizing Local Leads and Clicks for Your Business

Tommy Mello is the author of Home Service Millionaire and Elevate, and the founder of A1 Garage Doors, a $200 million-plus home service business with over 700 employees in 19 states. Through Home Service Freedom and the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy shares his experience and insights to help fellow entrepreneurs scale their businesses.

In this special episode of the Home Service Expert podcast, Tommy answers your biggest questions about marketing investments, equity programs, advertisement spending?

 

2024-05-24
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An Inside Look Into A1 Garage Doors? Strategies for Cultivating Top-tier Technicians

Alisa Imperial is a Project Manager at A1 Garage Door Services, where she leads a team dedicated to providing leadership and support to industry leaders in home services. Prior to joining the company, she spent over ten years at Spectra, where she worked as a Regional Human Resource Operations Manager during her final year.

In this episode, we talked about technician training, customer service, ride-along forms, employee engagement?

2024-05-17
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How to Scale a Highly Profitable Brand: Innovating and Marketing for Success

Chris Hunter is the co-founder and CEO of Koia, a plant-based beverage company that produces refrigerated vegan protein shakes. He previously co-founded Phusion Projects Inc., the company behind the alcoholic energy drink Four Loko and is the author of ?Blackout Punch: An Entrepreneur?s Journey from Chaos to Clarity.?

In this episode, we talked about business risks, resilience, distribution & marketing strategies?

 

2024-05-10
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