We're taking a holiday break but, we'll be back next week. Please enjoy this timeless rerun from our friendship month earlier this year!

Elise prepares for her birthday weekend in Mexico City and Doree witnesses the perils of rain in LA! Then, they invite Rhaina Cohen, author of The Other Significant Others, on to discuss why prioritizing friendship doesn?t mean being anti-marriage, the power of ?just ask? in building your relationship with new and old friends, the balance of showing up for and leaning on your friends, and how to more actively invest in existing friendships and cultivate new ones.

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We're taking a break for the holidays, but please enjoy this well-loved episode with Stacey Abrams!

The unstoppable author and voting rights activist Stacey Abrams joins Doree and Elise to share her magnetic charisma and talk through the importance of pairing empathy with action, what it looks like to commit to the craft of imagination, and how to overcome fear in your daily life.

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We want you to come away from this episode corrupted, in the best way, thanks to our guest Dr. Meghan Sullivan, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame. She joins Doree and Elise to discuss how to live ?The Good Life,? and they get into everything from the beginning of democracy and the role philosophy played (and continues to play) in it, to virtue ethics and its relationship to work-life balance. She also gets existential with us about flourishing, happiness, and the vexing question about whether to have children.

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Doree and Elise answer listener questions about their holiday traditions and what they?re gift giving. Plus, they get advice for the caller worried about officiating a friend?s wedding, and hear a listener?s reflections on the meaning of happiness.

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Jen Hatmaker is back after living a lot of life since she was on Forever35 more than 5 years ago! She discusses her new book (Awake: A Memoir) about her life after her divorce, and looks back at her previous book (Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire), which came out just before she learned her husband of 26 years cheated on her. They touch on the relationship she and her kids have with religion and faith today, learning personal finance for the first time as a divorcee, and how she?s left the evangelical world behind. 

And, Doree and Elise chat about their holiday plans and the fun ways Santa shows up for kids who are traveling for the holidays.

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Listeners call in asking about advice for public speaking when you?re nervous, how to promote hair growth on your head, and figuring out how to have a happy life. 

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Dr. Jenny Wang, Founder of SoCal Skin and Surgery (and Elise?s dermatologist!), joins the pod to answer listener questions about skincare and busts some of the recent trending cosmetic procedure myths. She digs into why your skin suddenly rejects products you?ve used for years, how to deal with blackheads (aka sebaceous filaments), the not-so-secret to anti-aging, the legitimacy of exosomes, and so much more! 

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Doree and Elise hear from listeners with a suggestion for how to celebrate your Forever35 birthday, ways to plan financially with ?  and for ? your aging parents, and dueling views on how to handle berries after they?ve come home from the store. 

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?Tis the season for the Forever35 Gift Guide! Doree and Elise get into the jewelry, crafts, games, home, beauty, and work gifts for everyone on your list for the 2025 holiday season.

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We're taking a little break for Thanksgiving but here's a favorite mini-ep of ours from earlier this year. Happy Thanksgiving, and we'll be back Monday as usual!

Doree and Elise share their recent microjoys and their thoughts on the Wirecutter Trader Joe?s list. They also hear from listeners about tennis-themed fashion, more great hair oil recs, and a tea towel throwback (and discount code).

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We're back with another Pod Swap! This time with one of our guests from our Money Month series earlier this year: Jannese Torres of Yo Quiero Dinero with her episode How To Financially Plan For Motherhood. 

You can find her podcast Yo Quiero Dinero wherever you listen to podcasts!

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Jannese Torres takes you through her journey of stepping into motherhood while juggling entrepreneurship?and how she financially prepared for this life-changing chapter.

She breaks down the key steps she took to plan for maternity leave, build a maternity fund, and create passive income streams to support her growing family. You'll also learn about the power of automation in business, long-term financial planning (yes, even saving for your little one?s future!), and why having a strong community matters more than ever.

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In this grab bag mini-ep, listeners send in their commentary on aging parents, Australian pop-culture recs, and shift work. Plus, Doree and Elise talk about money-saving hacks and Elise discusses her teen modeling years. 

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Actor and writer Mari Yamamoto (Pachinko, Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, Rental Family) joins Doree and Elise to discuss her new film, Rental Family, and how it opens the conversation about the loneliness crisis in the digital age. Plus, they get into Mari and Elise?s time together in Tokyo, her deep commitment to the parasol as a sun shade, and why she went from being a reporter to being an actor multihyphenate. 

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Doree and Elise share listener thoughts on Sephora finally carrying MAC products, senior care in America, and the prevalence of workplace burnout for women. 

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We?ve got a golfer on the show! Hilary Lassoff, Founder of Bunker Club ? a golf-centered social club for women, queers and underrepresented voices ? joins the pod to talk about all things community, sports, and how coaching can change the way you feel about a sport with Doree and Elise. 

Plus, we did it! The Forever35 (aka YOUR) Giving Circle investments helped us make Virginia the country?s newest pro-democracy trifecta! Thank you to everyone who was able to donate! And thank you to everyone who voted, went door-knocking, or in any way engaged civically this election cycle. <3 

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Doree and Elise reflect on how much the topic of parents getting older has resonated with listeners. Then listeners send in their thoughts on jobs and identity, tips for continuing to help your aging parents, and the strange lens we still view weight through in the U.S.

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Poet and author Kate Baer returns to the pod four years later (almost to the day!) to discuss her latest collection, How About Now?, the ways she keeps intimacy alive within her friendships, and what she enjoys about living in the country.

Plus, Doree gives us the play-by-play on her recreational tennis team?s dramatic trip to National Championships in Scottsdale!

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Listeners share thoughts on our recent guest Vanessa Grigoriadis? episode on aging parents, offer ideas for how to support a friend going through IVF, and advice for switching careers without spending a ton of money (and maybe even with the help of AI?). Plus, Doree has a triumphant tennis update! 

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The States Project?s Melissa Walker is back on Forever35 to discuss the importance of upcoming off-year elections, like high-stakes contests in Virginia next week. The ladies also talk about why driving powerful change at the state legislative level is vital, what door-knocking can do, and how to make the most of dramatic career pivots in your 30?s.

In these final days before the election, the Forever35 community is raising for VIRGINIA! Any and every Giving Circle donation received from October 20, 2025 through October 28th at 11:59 pm PT will be matched dollar-for-dollar until we reach the $100,000 cap!

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Listeners send in their request for bath towel recs (they?re different from dish towels!), the importance of working on your executive function skills, and advice on changing careers without the side hustle. 

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What is it like to take on your aging parents' health management, finances, and the logistics of it all? Vanessa Grigoriadis, reporter and podcast producer, joins the show to get into it. She hypes her new show ?So Your Parents Are Old,? that tackles the very real, very difficult stage of life when caretaking for parents is a subject that still has a sense of taboo around it. The ladies also gab about what makes today?s ultrarich ? and famous ? unique from other eras. 

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Listeners send in their thoughtful notes about dealing with, moving through, and getting to the other side of burnout ? especially when you like your job and your company. 

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Cadence Dubus (founder of Brooklyn Strength and host of the podcast Busy Body) joins Forever35 to remind us that our bodies don?t need be ?optimized? and share practical reasons for getting into fitness. She also offers her take on how GLP-1s are changing the way people think about their bodies and the kinds of questions you have to ask yourself when beginning a new movement practice.

Plus, Elise shares a transformative Korean shampoo, and Doree takes another big step in her decluttering moment.

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Doree and Elise hear from listeners about supporting your friends who work in the government, how to deal with burnout, and how adding some executive function hacks is working out. Plus, the link to Doree?s barrel jeans!

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Sue Dominus, New York Times writer and author of The Family Dynamic: A Journey into the Mystery of Sibling Success, joins Doree and Elise to discuss how birth order does and doesn?t affect our identities, how to outsource discipline and make the home life safe and loving, and the thing she wishes she had done more with her kids.

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Listeners call in with their thoughts on the efficacy of at-home laser hair removal, the joys of color analysis, opinions on THE best JLo movie, and advice for what to do with all those tiny beauty samples. 

Plus, Doree volunteers at the library and Elise goes to a Patreon event. 

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Beauty writer Arabelle Sicardi joins Doree and Elise to discuss her fascinating new book The House of Beauty, which goes deep on topics like how beauty products are made, produced, and distributed around the world, including the connections between fragrance and fascism; hair and the empire of exploitation; and what it really means to live well and how that connects to biohackers and transhumanists.

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Listeners have thoughts about leaving your baby for a trip for the first time, plus questions about at-home laser hair removal machines and whether you can trust ?expert? advice about haircuts.

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The duo behind the podcasts Reading Glasses and Reading Smut, Mallory and Brea, come on the show to discuss why we?re seeing a rise in the romantasy and smut genres, how to dip your toe into romance if you?re not already into it, and they?re armed with lots of recommendations of what to read and watch.

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Elise wonders at the efficacy of programs like denim buybacks and Sephora?s empties trade-ins, and Doree has some strong opinions! They also hear from listeners about school self-care, JLo?s best songs, and advocating for the library as a (free!) co-working space. 

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Author Jade Chang joins Doree and Elise to talk about her good luck with gut health and her savory porridge dreams, what (and who) went into her new book What A Time To Be Alive, the joy of ginger, and navigating jealousies in friendship.

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Doree and Elise have (just one!) dish towel rec, lots of listener recs for comfy-but-stylish mom jeans, and laser hair removal insight from listeners who?ve done it. 

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Rachel Goodwin is back from her glamorous European summer to answer your makeup questions! She?s got mascara recs for you, whether she thinks Wonderskin lip stain is worth the hype, the concealers you can use if you?re a skin picker, her favorite eyelash curlers, and more. 

Plus, Elise ranks the top J Lo movies and Doree makes a case for Maid In Manhattan.

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Doree and Elise share their co-working space suggestions, soft jean recs that aren?t mom jeans, and the SUPER truth about the experience of laser hair removal with listeners. Plus, a microjoy that will bring you a smile. 

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Alex Laughlin, writer, audio producer and the creator of Normal Gossip joins Doree and Elise to discuss her new show Try Hard and why it?s important to her be earnest, how she went from self-taught audio producer to building an award-winning show, and what it?s like to step away from a successful project to pursue other creative endeavors.

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Elise finishes up her health scan and Doree heads to dinner with the coolest golf club in town. Then, they hear from listeners about the emotional usefulness of wigs, preparing to leave a child for the first time, and those moments when your parents shock you.  

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Former Elle columnist, journalist, and author, E. Jean Carroll joins Doree and Elise to discuss the surprise release of her new book NOT MY TYPE: One Woman vs. a President. Beyond why she was itching to write about ?the absurdity? of her sexual assault case against Donald Trump, they also chat about E. Jean?s advice for giving advice, her secret to great posture at 81 years old, and what she plans to do with the $83 million Trump owes her. 

Content Warning: This episode has mentions of sexual assault. 

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Listeners send in yet more kitchen towel and rag recommendations! Plus, we get a post-friendship month update, and a listener asks for advice on how to handle female pattern hair loss. Plus, Doree has a dog update and Elise has a summer day out sans children!

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Comedian and writer Jena Friedman joins Forever35 to talk about her newfound joy in tennis, why she?s excited about her show at the Edinburgh Fringe Fest, the emotional response crying on stage evokes, and how she came to give a TED talk about AI.

Plus, a (positive) update from Elise on both Oscar?s recent misadventures and her biopsy, and from Doree about her hard-earned efforts at Sectionals. 

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Elise meets a listener in the wild, and Doree?s clean couch hates to see her dog coming! Plus, listeners turn out en masse with dish towel (and/or kitchen rag) recs and we wrap up with some listener microjoys. 

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It?s an extra-special cross-over episode when the co-hosts of GlowJob, Julia Bellary and Sasa Li, join Doree and Elise to chat about all things beauty! They get into the realities of going to aesthetician school, the future of dupes and which ones to keep an eye on, and the importance of listening to your skin about which products feel right.

Plus, Doree returns from her vacation refreshed, and Elise shares an update on her biopsy experience.

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Doree?s on vacation, so Samee Junio joins Elise this week! They chat about Elise?s upcoming biopsy and all the titanium boob markers out there in the world, the hazy summer days of WWE Summer Slam, and the joy of washing your face with a silly headband. 

Then, we turn it over to a mini-ep you know and love - Mini-Ep 434: How To Keep Friends and Stay Connected, where listeners called in with their thoughts on friendship month, therapists in therapy, and more!

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Editor-in-Chief of Marie Claire magazine, Nikki Ogunnaike, shares with Doree and Elise her love of stretching, the role of magazines in today's fractured attention landscape, and her insights on fashion trends, body standards, and generational differences in the workplace. They also dive into their love of reality TV, why trying your best is never cringe, and the importance of attempting to regulate your emotions. 

Plus, Doree updates Elise on how her tennis sectionals went and how she thinks she played.

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Elise fills Doree in on her high-altitude work trip and Doree shares a thoughtful text with Elise before they hear from listeners about how to discuss death with children, microjoys to keep us going, and a call out for dish rags (or maybe more dish towels?). Plus, they play a quick round of what to purchase on your next trip to Trader Joes and Costco.  

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Doree and Elise speak with Nicola Jane Hobbs, author The Relaxed Woman, about what reclaiming rest actually looks like outside of naps and baths, the importance of relationships in your ability to relax, and why being a relaxed woman is less about what we do and more about how we approach the world.

Plus, Doree and Elise chat about being stretched vs. stretching and the ongoing relevance of the Black Eyed Peas? ?My Humps? to their lives.

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Elise shares the tales of her college-themed keg party and Doree has a minor panic when she can?t smell any of her (unscented) beauty products. They also hear from listeners about their microjoys, how to talk to kids about death, and all the spa chatter.  

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Bestselling author Lindy West and her best friend, democracy policy expert Meagan Hatcher-Mays, join Doree and Elise to tell us about Text Me Back, their show about making your favorite people laugh. Along the way they also discuss the life changing magic of hydrating with electrolytes, their summer plans involving hot Doritos at the beach and doing as little as possible, and a super cute moment where they both hype each other up as only best friends can. 

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Elise preps for her ?90s kegger party and Doree preps for a playdate at her house that Henry orchestrated. Then, they hear from listeners about the microjoy of lactase, how to celebrate milestone birthdays, what to do in LA for a weekend, and facial hair removal recs. 

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Alicia Menendez, co-host of MSNBC?s ?The Weeknight,? joins Doree and Elise to gab about how she centers herself during insane news cycles, what she loves about podcasting that?s so different from her ?day? job, and the story behind producing her Broadway show, Real Women Have Curves: The Musical. Also ? a plug for walking with weighted vests and Alicia?s fear that high-waisted jeans will stop being cool again.

Before Alicia joins them, Doree and Elise chat about Doree?s hot date with Matt and Elise sends her love to everyone affected by the Central Texas flood disaster. 

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Doree and Elise catch up and discuss going to a beauty brand party together and Elise?s trip to Zion. They also learn how to clean a tutu and respond to a couple of work-related questions.

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