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The Indicator from Planet Money

A bite-sized show about big ideas. From the people who make Planet Money, The Indicator helps you make sense of what's happening in today's economy. It's a quick hit of insight into money, work, and business. Monday through Friday, in 10 minutes or less.

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Chips up, rent down, and are people really skimping on holiday gifts?

It?s ? Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today?s episode: A big goshDRAM memory problem, a holiday spending mystery, and apartment rental prices ? decline?! 

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The highs and lows of US rents 
Taking the temperature of the US consumer 
We Buy A Lot Of Christmas Trees

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2025-12-05
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A little doomsday feeling is weighing on the economy

It is a special edition of the Beigies Awards where one regional Federal Reserve Bank will receive lifetime achievement recognition. Today on the show, we speak to its President about the value of economic anecdotes.

Related episodes: 
What keeps a Fed president up at night
Using anecdotes to predict recessions

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2025-12-04
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How Japan?s new prime minister is jolting markets

Sanae Takaichi was sworn in as Japan?s first female prime minister a little over a month ago, and she?s already making waves in the East and West. The first priority for the people of Japan is if her government can fix the country?s cost-of-living problem. Today on the show, we break down what Sanaeonomics could mean for the Land of the Rising Sun.

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How Japan is trying to solve the problem of shrinking villages
Japan had a vibrant economy. Then it fell into a slump for 30 years

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2025-12-03
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What would it mean to actually refund the tariffs?

Tariffs are bringing in some serious cash into the US Treasury?s pocket. The problem with that money is that it may need to be refunded. A case in front of the Supreme Court could declare several of Trump?s tariffs illegal, which would prompt a return of billions of dollars. Today on the show, we look at how that would work and why the process will likely not be easy. 

Related episodes: 
Three ways companies are getting around tariffs
Days of our tariffs

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2025-12-02
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Why the US chose not to have a passenger train system like Europe

Why can't the US be like Europe, Japan or India?countries that all have extensive passenger train systems? On today's show, why the US chose not to. We learn why, despite this, US railroads could still be worth bragging about.

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What happens when railroads get hitched
How three letters reinvented the railroad business

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2025-12-01
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Moochers, monopolists and market-based poverty help

Public sector economics is a fundamental piece of the discipline. So we wanted to give our hosts an opportunity to put their knowledge to the test in a game we?re calling Indicator Quizbowl. Today on the show, Wailin and Darian go head to head to see who the bigger public policy nerd is.

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Could cash payments ease recessions?
A trap-loving DJ takes on economics
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2025-11-26
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Who's financing Meta's massive AI data center?

In a rural pocket of northeastern Louisiana, Meta is building a $30 billion data center called Hyperion. But it?s not being completely financed with Meta?s own money. Today on the show, the opaque system of AI data center financing and why it?s fueling fears of a bubble. 

Related episodes: 
OpenAI?s deals are looking a little frothy 
No AI data centers in my backyard! 
What $10B in data centers actually gets you 

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2025-11-25
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Who?s buying all the beef?

President Trump has said he?d try to get more Argentine beef into the U.S. So who would actually do the buying? That?s a general theme with a lot of these trade deals ? big numbers but vague details. When China says it?ll buy more soybeans, is it the government or companies that does the buying? When South Korea promises to invest in American shipyards, who?s actually doing that?  Today on the show, we dig into two questions from listeners and hear directly from an Argentine butcher. 

Related episodes: 
Why beef prices are so high
How the South is trying to win the EV race 

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2025-11-24
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Pay transparency. The WhatsApp and Instagram decision. Our beef with screwworms.

It?s ? Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today?s episode: the effects of pay transparency, Meta?s big win, and freaky flies and beef. 

Related episodes: 

Are we entering a new dawn for antitrust enforcement? 

Why beef prices are so high 


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2025-11-21
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How to avoid scammers after a natural disaster

When people lose their homes to wildfire, hurricanes or flooding, they're eager to rebuild. But scammers are also ready to take advantage. On today?s show, the lucrative business of contractor fraud and advice on how to avoid them. 

Related episodes:
An indicator lost: Big disaster costs 
When insurers can?t get insurance 
Selling safety in the fight against wildfires 

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2025-11-19
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Looking for love in the auto supply chain

Foreign automakers already have huge assembly plants in the U.S., but lots of parts and materials come from overseas. 

To avoid costly tariffs, they gotta buy American. But ? How does one meet those suppliers? How do you build a new relationship with them?

The answer: Speed dating. 

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 The old trade war that brought foreign carmakers to the U.S.

Tariffs: What are they good for?


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2025-11-19
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How to make switching jobs not terrifying

The U.S. labor market is stagnant right now, with little hiring and lots of people holding onto their jobs for dear life. In Denmark, there?s a different kind of labor system where it?s easy for employers to hire and fire, but at the same time people have a strong safety net in-between jobs. Today on the show, we learn how ?flexicurity? works through the story of a Danish woman who left her job, and we ask how the model could work in the U.S. 

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Why do we live in unusually innovative times?
How Marxism went from philosophy to cudgel
Ozempic's biggest side effect: Turning Denmark into a 'pharmastate'? For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Fact-checking by Tyler Jones. Translation from Jasmine Lolila. Music by Drop Electric. Find us: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Newsletter.  

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2025-11-18
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Why you overpaid at that online auction

Ever put in the winning bid for something on an auction site only to realize you significantly overpaid? Yeah, there?s a phrase for that. On today?s show: the winner?s curse.

Richard Thaler?s new book with Alex O. Imas is The Winner?s Curse: Behavioral Economics Anomalies, Then and Now.

Read Planet Money?s newsletter on the winner?s curse

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2025-11-17
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50-year mortgages, falling real wages, and doing your rideshare due diligence

It?s ? Indicators of the Week! We look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news and bring them to you.

On today?s episode: The cost of living is outstripping wage growth for most of us, the math behind the Trump administration?s proposed 50-year mortgages, and how we?re just giving Uber and Lyft free money

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Trump's plans for the housing market 

The Money Illusion: Have Americans really gotten a raise? 


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2025-11-14
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Where the US got $20B to bail out Argentina

The U.S. is committed to bailing out Argentina to the tune of $20 billion using a little known mechanism called the Exchange Stabilization Fund. On today?s show, what is this fund, why was it created and does Argentina have any hope of paying it back? 

Related episodes: 
Dollarizing Argentina  

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2025-11-13
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Trump's backup options for tariffs

The U.S. Supreme Court may soon rule on President Trump?s favorite tariff law.  It could render them moot, but that doesn?t mean the end of tariffs. On today?s show, we explain the president?s back-up options for imposing tariffs.

Related episodes: 
Are Trump?s tariffs legal? 
Worst. Tariffs. Ever.  
Three ways companies are getting around tariffs   

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2025-11-12
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Who is the World Cup for anymore?

The World Cup is coming up, and it?s going to cost a pretty penny if you are hoping to attend. Today on the show, we talk to NPR Senior Business editor and World Cup superfan about why the 2026 World Cup will likely be the most expensive in history and why even finding a ticket is more difficult. 

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Peacock, potassium and other Paris Olympics Indicators

Why the Olympics cost so much

You can't spell Olympics without IP

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2025-11-11
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How the French pensions débâcle is a warning to us all

France has one of the most generous pension systems in the world. But several governments there have collapsed over questions about how the government will fund it. All over the world, aging populations are forcing governments to rethink their assumptions. 

Today on the show, what France?s political fiascos teach all of us about the economics of an aging population, and what a retirement expert?s ideal retirement system might look like.

Mercer CFA Institute Global Pension Index 2025

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What would it take to fix retirement? 

What does the next era of Social Security look like? 

When Retirement Advice Goes Viral 

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2025-11-10
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Can air traffic controllers keep calm and carry on ? without pay?

There?s one job that gets all the attention during a government shutdown: air traffic controllers. Today on the show, we spotlight why this job has taken on outsize political influence and one controller?s experience during the longest shutdown on record. 

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2025-11-07
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This indicator hasn?t flashed this red since the dot-com bubble

The ?Shiller PE Ratio? is at its highest level since November of 1999. That was at the peak of the online gold rush right before the dot com bubble burst in 2000. Today on the show, we learn what the Shiller PE Ratio is, how it works and whether we should be worried that it?s relatively high right now.


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What?s a Bubble?
Zombie 2nd mortgages are coming to life, threatening thousands of Americans' homes

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2025-11-06
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Who's propping up Russian oil?

Russia?s been subject to more than 5,000 sanctions since its invasion of Ukraine. Yet many purported allies of Ukraine are still getting Russian oil ? directly or indirectly. On today?s show, how governments are straddling the fence and skirting their own sanctions. 

Related episodes:  
How the ?shadow fleet? helps Russia skirt sanctions 

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2025-11-05
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How Apple's market power blocked ICEBlock

Last month, the Trump administration asked Apple to remove an app from its App Store that crowdsourced sightings of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. Today on the show, we explain what an ongoing legal battle involving the developer of the video game Fortnite has to do with Apple?s latest move to comply with the Trump administration.

Related episodes: 
How Fortnite brought Google to its knees
The DOJ's case against Apple
Apple v Everybody

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2025-11-04
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When AI is your job interviewer

Companies are starting to use AI to interview potential employees. Sound creepy? Well, a new study suggests it might not be all bad.. Today on the show, we look at why a job interview with AI might be preferable to one with a human. ? And Adrian gets grilled by an AI job recruiter named ?Anna.? 

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AI creates, transforms and destroys ? jobs 
Fighting AI with AI 

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2025-11-03
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A school cellphone ban study, white collar jobs wither, and spooky candy prices

It?s ? Indicators of the?Eek! (Indicators of the Week.) Our regular look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today?s episode: How cell phone bans in schools affect grades, white collar workers get the axe, and AHHH! Halloween candy inflation

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Are you afraid of inflation? 

A finance fright fest 

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2025-10-31
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Are China and India BFFs now?

China and India have a long, complicated history. Just a few years ago, there was a spate of armed skirmishes between the two nations. And yet, there are signs of warming relations amidst President Trump?s ongoing trade war. Today on the show, is that trade war pushing India toward China? And what could happen if two of the world?s largest economies come together? 

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China?s trade war perspective 
What might save China's economy
Is the US pushing countries towards China? 

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2025-10-30
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Is Obamacare doomed without extended subsidies?

Health insurance subsidies are at the center of the current government shutdown. Democrats want to extend some expiring Affordable Care Act/Obamacare subsidies. Obamacare has weathered several political storms since its inception, but how will it fare without those subsidies?

Today on the show, death spirals and the future of Obamacare.

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The hidden costs of healthcare churn 
How doctors helped tank universal healthcare

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2025-10-29
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How Marxism went from philosophy to cudgel

Republican politicians like to use the term ?Marxist? to criticize Democrats. Lately, they?ve dubbed New York City mayoral candidate a ?Marxist? despite him identifying himself as a democratic socialist. Today on the show, we dig into what ?Marxism, as an economic term,? actually means.

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Even the facts are polarized

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2025-10-28
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The new language of AI tech workers

It?s hard for young tech workers to find a job, even with the AI buildout bonanza. This has spawned a curious worldview that fears AI is coming for our jobs and a drive to be at the top of the AI food chain. This, tech writer Jasmine Sun believes, is revealed in the emerging dialect of Silicon Valley tech workers.   

Today on the show, San Francisco slang. Jasmine Sun takes us on a tour of high-agency 996ers and NPCs to see what it could mean for our present and our future.

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No AI data centers in my backyard!


How much is AI actually affecting the workforce?


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2025-10-27
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Amazon's outage, anxious retirees, and LA brings the Heat, too

It?s ? Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today?s episode: the Amazon global internet outage, Americans plan to siphon their Social Security checks early, and Mann, we love some Heat 2. 

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 What does the next era of Social Security look like?

 Why aren't filmmakers shooting in LA? 

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2025-10-24
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Are concert tickets UNDER priced?

Ticketmaster's CEO says that concert tickets are underpriced. But from inflation to bots to unscrupulous resellers, the market for tickets feels out of control to many fans. Can anything be done?

Today on the show: Ticket resellers, a new law in Maine, and a T-shirt cannon. 

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Ticket scalpers: The real ticket masters 
Ticketmaster's dominance, Caitlin Clark's paycheck, and other indicators

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2025-10-23
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No AI data centers in my backyard!

In the rush to power AI, data centers are popping up in small communities across the U.S. But a growing backlash against this build-out is pitting communities against developers over energy prices and water use. Today on the show, one Michigan community?s fight to stop a data center and what it means for Big Tech. 

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What $10B in data centers actually gets you 
Is AI overrated or underrated? 

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2025-10-22
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Should we ditch quarterly earnings reports?

Quarterly earnings reports are a long-standing requirement for public companies in the U.S. But the Trump administration wants to axe quarterly releases and just release them twice a year. And there is evidence to suggest this could be better in the long run for companies and investors. On today?s show, we look at the potential benefits and trade-offs of changing how often companies report their financial results. 

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2025-10-21
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Why are veterinarian bills getting so ruff on the wallet?

Since 2020, the cost of veterinary care has increased about 40%?almost twice the rate of inflation. As a result, many pet owners say they've skipped necessary vet care. So, what's going on here? A veterinarian, and a lesser-known economic theory, have some answers. 

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2025-10-20
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Government shutdown fallout, price floors, and AI slop against the machine

It?s ? Indicators of the Week! Our weekly look at some of the most fascinating economic numbers from the news. 

On today?s episode: Frozen and canceled federal dollars, America?s intensifying tit-for-tat with China, and a sloppy trend infiltrating the music business. (With a pocket full of shells.)

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China's trade war perspective 
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2025-10-17
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OpenAI's deals are looking a little frothy

There have been many headline-grabbing AI deals recently: Nvidia investing up to $100 billion in OpenAI. OpenAI promising to buy $300 billion worth of computing power from Oracle. Oracle buying tons of chips from Nvidia. 

But ? where?s the money coming from? Is all this AI overhype ? a bubble? 

On today's show, how money flows in the AI hyperscaling flood. 

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Is AI overrated? 

Is AI underrated?


The messy human drama behind OpenAI 

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2025-10-16
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Inside the growing industry to defend schools from mass shootings

From drones to body armor to bulletproof whiteboards, companies are offering schools a multitude of products to try to deter or protect against the next school shooting. But does any of this stuff work? On today?s show, a look inside the school shooting industry. What's for sale and the psychology behind the growing industry.

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2025-10-15
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Why do we live in unusually innovative times?

For most of human history, economic growth was, well, pretty bleak. But around the Enlightenment, things started clicking. This year's Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences went to a trio of researchers whose work focuses on how technological progress led to this sustained economic growth. Today we hear from one of them, Joel Mokyr, about his work on European economic history. 

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2025-10-14
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Scam compounds, sewing patterns and stolen dimes

As Vice Week wraps up here at The Indicator, we wanted to take a slightly different perspective on the evolving business of crime and take a look at TRUE crime. As in the genre. Because look, people are obsessed with it! Today on the show, our hosts favorite pieces of true crime content. 

Darian Woods: The Economist?s Scam Inc.
Wailin Wong: Wednesday Journal?s A tangled mess 
Adrian Ma: Philadelphia Inquirer?s Dime Heist story 

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What?s supercharging data breaches? 
When cartels start to diversify 

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How AI might mess with financial markets

Market manipulation is an age-old issue. People trying to make money off unsuspecting investors by artificially influencing the price of a stock, say. But what happens when the one manipulating markets isn't human? 

This week on The Indicator from Planet Money, we bring you five episodes digging into the evolving business of crime. Today on the show, we hear how AI could spell mischief for the markets, and why the law is already behind in preventing it.

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When cartels start to diversify

The Sinaloa Cartel made the bulk of its money on cocaine. But cartels are diversifying into new operations including things like wildlife trafficking. Think sharks, jaguars, capybaras. The result is something called ?narco-degradation.? On today?s show, we look at what?s driving cartels beyond drugs and how this is wreaking havoc on ecosystems in Central America.


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Waste Land 
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What?s supercharging data breaches?

It may seem like data breaches have gotten a heck of a lot more common. Well, there?s something to that. The bad guys are getting badder faster than the good guys are getting better. 

This week, we?re bringing you five episodes on the evolving business of crime. Today on the show, we look at why the evolution of data breaches has been supercharged and why you don?t have to be a hacker to get into the game.

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Fighting AI with AI

With only several seconds of audio, someone can clone a victim?s voice, call their bank, and potentially get access to ? everything. Vocal deepfakes have gotten very good, but so has the technology to fight back. 

This week on The Indicator we're gonna bring you a special series on the evolving business of crime. In this episode, we hear from the company helping banks beat deepfakes, and we learn about the efforts to protect us all from AI voice fraud. 

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AI creates, transforms and destroys... jobs 

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Vice Series: The evolving business of crime

Crime doesn?t resemble the old days. A deepfake of your voice can be used to convince a relative you need money. AI bots are capable of colluding in financial markets. There are seemingly countless new strategies of making data breaches more common. This week on The Indicator from Planet Money, we bring you five episodes digging into the evolving business of crime.


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Why Americans don't want to move for jobs anymore

Americans are moving at record lows for work. What?s driving people to, well, not drive cross-country for jobs? On today?s Jobs Friday, we explore the rising homebody economy. 

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How the end of Roe is reshaping the medical workforce

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How close is the US to crony capitalism?

We have seen a blurring of boundaries between government and business under President Trump. It has some political commentators ringing the alarm bell over something called ?crony capitalism" ? a corrupt system where political power meets big business. Today on the show, is the Trump administration nudging the U.S. further down the road toward crony capitalism? 

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Why is everyone buying gold?

Gold is on fire right now with some gold ETFs outperforming the major stock indexes over the past 12 months. Gold is supposed to be boring, an inflation hedge. But right now, it's responding to something else. Today on the show, we talk to a finance professor about what?s behind the current gold rush and if gold?s hot streak is built to last. 

Understanding Gold by Claud B. Erb and Campbell R. Harvey

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We're about to lose a lot of foreign STEM workers

Earlier this month, President Donald Trump announced a $100,000 fee on new H-1B visa petitioners. Today on the show, we talk to an economist about how much H-1B visa holders have contributed to US growth, their effects on American-born workers, and why the United States? competitors are taking advantage of this moment. 


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What media consolidation means for free speech

Jimmy Kimmel?s brief departure from the airwaves triggered a wave of debate over free speech.  Partly triggering his suspension was the government threatening to leverage its power over pending media deals. That?s in part due to a piece of decades-old legislation. 

Today on the show, we look at how the Telecommunications Act of 1996 set the stage for government meddling and corporate capitulation. 

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Mergers, acquisitions and Elon?s ?rude? proposal 

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Argentina's bailout, a new way to cool data centers, and a cold holiday hiring season

It?s Indicators of the Week! It is that show where we parse the most fascinating financial numbers in the news and bring them to you. 

On today's show: Argentina needs a bailout, Microsoft?s new way to cool data centers, and retail hiring is not looking like it?s in the holiday spirit.

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What $10 billion in data centers actually gets you

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No, your doctor isn't getting rich off of vaccines

Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Junior says doctors are pushing vaccines onto their patients in order to make profits. 

Healthcare in the US is a business ? but does that mean that doctors actually make money on vaccines?

Today on the show, we talk with doctors who explain the financial reality behind vaccines and how RFK Jr?s words and actions could harm public health. 

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