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The Artist?s Way, an Introduction

Joy and Elena talk about morning pages, artist dates, and why they're doing the Artist's Way.



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2023-09-21
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The Marriage Question with Clare Carlisle

On the 20th of July, 1854 Marian Evans set sail with George Lewes, a man who was not her husband and who was, indeed, a married man with three children. She understood this trip to be her honeymoon, and after it, with growing confidence, she began to call her self ?Mrs. Lewes.? Their relationship scandalised the Victorian social circles in which they moved, resulting in their social isolation for many years. They were considered to be adulterers, radicals supporting an amoral free love philosophy. But to Marian, it was a true marriage, a profound oneness which did not contract but expand the borders of her experience and intellect. A double life, not in the sense of a secret life, hidden life but of an enlargement of life. It would form the fertile ground from which some of the most tender, profound, and philosophical works of English literature would spring. That Marian Evans, or as we know her George Eliot, became ?Mrs Lewes? was central to the inspiration for books now much beloved in English literature: Silas Marner, Daniel Deronda, and perhaps her best know Middlemarch.

Though their marriage may have seemed scandalous and impulsive to this around them, for Eliot it was a consciously chosen, morally considered choice, one which she explained in letters to friends in tones alternatively persuasive and pleading. The story was more complicated than it looked on the outside; George Lewes? wife Agnes was having an ongoing affair with Thornton Hunt, which produced four illegitimate children, but for various legal and financial reasons Lewes could not divorce her. Because of this Eliot considered Lewes free, and lacking the ability to pursue a legal marriage lived in a spiritual one. Their partnership was incredibly fruitful, Lewes coming alongside her as something like an agent and a manager, encouraging her to publish and taking care of the business that entailed. The ambiguity of relationship to the public world Eliot to consider the true nature of marriage? was it a legal arrangement? A religious institution? A spiritual bond? Far from flippancy, she held marriage in high regard. ?About marriages one can only rejoice with trembling? wrote Eliot to one of her friends.

A philosopher to be reckoned with (having translated Strauss, Feuerbach, and Spinoza), many of Eliot?s novels explore marriage not merely as a sociological phenomenon or a religious institution but as an object of philosophical inquiry. It is the theme of marriage as a philosophical question which Clare Carlisle picks up in her new book The Marriage Question: George Eliot?s Double Life. She writes:

?There is something dazzling about marriage ? that leap into the open-endedness of another human being. It is difficult to look directly at it, difficult to think that thought. A philosopher usually swoops on such things like a magpie: Look! a shifting, shimmering question, all indeterminacy and iridescence. Don?t you just want to snatch it up, take it home, and sit on it for a long time?? (Clare Carlisle, The Marriage Questions).

I was delighted to get to speak with Clare about her book, George Eliot, and the marriage question as it presents itself in our contemporary world. It is an interesting question to consider in a time when marriage rates are near the lowest they have ever been in the western world. In this world, we might ask whether the marriage question is one which needs to be asked, or one which most people are simply avoiding. I loved Clare?s framing of the marriage question as a philosophical one, and one which we will all ask ourselves at one point or another, even if we never get married. Even if we chose not to marry, or (like Eliot in her younger years) feel that marriage will never offer itself to us as a real possibility, our lives are profoundly shaped by the marriages of our parents, our friends. We will all ask ourselves the marriage question at one point or another.

We talked about all this and more in the podcast attached to this email (which you can also find on iTunes, though Spotify is giving me grief these days). I do hope you?ll enjoy the conversation I had with Clare, and that you will pick up a copy of her new book. The book and our conversation gave me much to consider and much to enjoy. I hope both will do the same for you.

Wishing you a lovely week,Joy

Clare Carlisle is Professor of Philosophy at King?s College London, and the author of Spinoza?s Religion, On Habit, and Philosopher of the Heart: The Restless Life of Søren Kierkegaard. Clare is also the editor of Spinoza?s Ethics, translated by George Eliot. She grew up in Manchester, studied philosophy and theology at Trinity College, University of Cambridge, and now lives in London.

p.s. I saw this misidentified George Eliot portrait in a window a few weeks ago, which gave me a chuckle. Apparently all female authors are one in the same?

The shop owner seems to have eventually figured it out?



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2023-05-09
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Finding God in Hollywood with Nathan Clarkson

Dear Friends,

Good morning and happy Saturday! Today I have a little treat for you: a conversation I recorded with my brother Nathan Clarkson about his recently released book Finding God in Hollywood: Discovering the Divine in Films, Movie Stars, and Stories. Myself, Nathan, and Joel have all spent significant periods of our lives in Los Angeles. Ask any of us and you?d hear something similar: it can be an arid place, a dry and spiritually challenging landscape. In many Christian circles there?s an idea that Hollywood is ?godless?, a place of egos and propaganda and materialism. And there is much of that. But, as Nathan argues in his book, the act of story telling, of weaving together patterns and imagery in an effort to find some semblance of meaning is something close to the heart of the search for God. So, Nathan tells stories of finding God in Hollywood in unexpected places.

The Bible itself is primarily narrative? yes, there are laws, pastoral exhortations, and theological ideas expounded, but the great majority of it is a story. Adam and Even in the garden, Abraham searching for a home, Joseph and his jealous brothers, the miraculous Exodus overshadowed by bloody signs and wonders. Human beings are drawn to narrative, we feed on myths (religious and national) to make sense of our identity, our place in the world, our hunger for meaning. This is all profound, but also quotidian. When we meet a new person and get past the hello?s and where do you work, one of the subjects we tend to stray into is stories: what books do you like? What movies? What TV are you watching?

In America, some Christians have tried to capitalise on this by creating ?Christian Films? which, if you?re a snob like me, tend to be pretty uncomplying unless you are already a part of the in crowd that they?re made for. What I am about to say may seem harsh; I am glad for every good effect a film might have, and I do believe there are some good ?Christian Films? (The Chosen, for instance seems to be universally loved amongst both my Christian and non Christian friends). But many of these films amount to nothing more than propaganda; they are good because they underscore an idea of conviction already held with emotional manipulation. And in this way, they tend not to be very good films. They are not created to be beautiful or interesting, but to convince and evoke emotion.

This is one of the secondary ideas Nathan and I talked about: trusting that there is something worth while in creating an excellent work of art, whose aim is beauty, artistry, and craft, not merely communicating a message. This is something Nathan is passionate about is trying to do in his own artistry. For instance in this film he wrote and produced and released earlier this year:

Our conversation is a little tidbit, not long, but I hope you enjoy it on this fine Saturday morning. And I?d love to know what movies you think are excellent works of art that help you find God, and dwell on what is meaning and spiritual.



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2023-03-25
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Low Anthropology with David Zahl (podcast)

Last summer, I found my poem for the year. I read it to whoever would listen. Eventually I recited it to whoever would listen, because I?d read it so many times that it had become a part of the wallpaper of my mind. People tended to have one of two response: they either laughed and ask for the name of the poem, or looked at me with a mild concern in their eyes and ask something like ?are you ok??

Here?s the poem:

Master of beauty, craftsman of the snowflake,

inimitable contriver,

endower of Earth so gorgeous & different from the boring Moon,

thank you for such as it is my gift.

I have made up a morning prayer to you

containing with precision everything that most matters.

?According to Thy will? the thing begins.

It took me off & on two days. It does not aim at eloquence.

You have come to my rescue again & again

in my impassable, sometimes despairing years.

You have allowed my brilliant friends to destroy themselves

and I am still here, severely damaged, but functioning.

Unknowable, as I am unknown to my guinea pigs:

how can I ?love? you?

I only as far as gratitude & awe

confidently & absolutely go.

I have no idea whether we live again.

It doesn?t seem likely

from either the scientific or the philosophical point of view

but certainly all things are possible to you,

and I believe as fixedly in the Resurrection-appearances to Peter & to Paul

as I believe I sit in this blue chair.

Only that may have been a special case

to establish their initiatory faith.

Whatever your end may be, accept my amazement.

May I stand until death forever at attention

for any your least instruction or enlightenment.

I even feel sure you will assist me again, Master of insight & beauty.

(John Berryman, ?Eleven Addresses to the Lord?)

The line that often seems to get people (the line that got me) is this one: ?You have allowed my brilliant friends to destroy themselves / and I am still here, severely damaged, but functioning.? It had a Rorschach quality to it. Some laughed and nodded along, knowing the feeling. Some winced at the idea of being ?severely damaged.? Such a confession shouldn?t be foreign to Christians. The Book of Common Prayer invites us to confess: ?We have left undone those things which we ought to have done; and we have done those things we ought not to have done; and there is no health in us. But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders.?

I think we are uneasy about thinking of ourselves as a offenders, damaged, needy. Isn?t it sort of? psychologically unhealthy? a hangover from a harsher, less enlightened past? Doesn?t it make us seem rather harsh? In my experience, it is quite the opposite. If we know ourselves to be a fumbling and failing and faltering people, scarred by the wear and tear of ordinary dysfunction and original sin, then our faults, while still faults, can be regarded as the unfortunate outcome of a fallen world and a fallen nature. But if we think that really, we can be perfectly good and choose not to? well, then, we really are monsters.

This the idea that David Zahl explores in his new book Low Anthropology: the Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself) (2022). I?ve listened to Dave?s podcast (with his friends Sarah Condon and RJ Heijman) for the last year or so, and always find it very wholesome and encouraging and interesting

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After hearing them talk about it on the podcast, I picked up a copy of Dave?s book and enjoyed what I read; a humorous, humane volume, about what we can (and can?t) expect of human beings, and how, actually, having a lower expectation of our the human capacity to be good helps us have compassion, grow, and live more honestly. His book also has one of the best covers I?ve seen in a while:

On this week?s podcast episode, I chat with Dave about his book, and about how adopting a low anthropology might help us regard ourselves and our neighbours with a little more mercy, patience, and gentleness. But it also reminds us that we need God. And with this need there is great hope, excitement even. A possibility beyond ourselves, a fulness we could never fill. That is a good place to start.

May I stand until death forever at attention

for any your least instruction or enlightenment.

I even feel sure you will assist me again, Master of insight & beauty.



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2023-01-12
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Preparing For Christmas...

Dear Friends,

Merry Advent! I can?t believe how quickly the days are passing us by? Christmas approaching with alarming speed. I?ve been traveling this month, and there has been something beautiful about seeing cheer spread from city to city. Now that I?m back, I?m rejoicing preparing for Christmas?picking presents for each sibling, niece, nephew, beloved. I think so much of love is preparation.

It makes me think of this poem that I love:

Those Winter Sundays

by Robert Hayden

Sundays too my father got up earlyand put his clothes on in the blueblack cold,then with cracked hands that achedfrom labor in the weekday weather made banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him.

I?d wake and hear the cold splintering, breaking. When the rooms were warm, he?d call, and slowly I would rise and dress, fearing the chronic angers of that house,

Speaking indifferently to him, who had driven out the coldand polished my good shoes as well.What did I know, what did I know of love?s austere and lonely offices?

In this week?s podcast, I reflect on preparation for Christmas, and hope to help yours come along smoothly with a few gift ideas for the little and large bookish people in your life. I hope you?ll listen along and enjoy the links below:

A Book, Too, Can Be a Star by Charlotte Jones Voiklis and Jennifer Adams

Buy A Book, Too, Can Be a Star

When Madeleine L'Engle was very small, she often found herself awake at night, marveling at the stars. They guided her throughout her life, making her feel part of a big and exciting world, even when she felt alone. They made her want to ask big questions?Why are we here? What is my place in the universe??and let her imagination take flight. Books, too, were like stars?asking questions and proposing answers. Books kept Madeleine company, and soon, she began to write and share her own. But would other people see the wonder she found in the world? Written by Madeleine's granddaughter Charlotte Jones Voiklis and bestselling picture-book author Jennifer Adams, A Book, Too, Can Be a Star follows the life of one of the world's greatest creators?and gives children encouragement to lead a creative, inquisitive life.

Sister Seraphina Mysteries by Haley Stewart

Buy The Curious Christmas Trail

It?s Christmas Eve, and under the floorboards of G. K. Chesterton?s home, curious clues lie hidden? Sister Seraphina and the other Sisters of Our Lady Star of the Sea are busy with preparations for the Christmas play and long-awaited feast. That?s enough to be getting on with! But where is Sister Dymphna? The elderly nun is nowhere to be found in Saint Wulfhilda?s Abbey. Outside it?s growing dark, and the snow is falling. The brave search party will need all their wits to avoid danger and follow the trail?wherever it leads!

The Clubhouse by Nathan and Joy (me!) Clarkson

Buy The Clubhouse

When you were young, what did you dream of doing? Riding high atop a dragon? Hurtling through space on a rocket ship? Unearthing an island treasure? Sailing on a shimmering sea? In our book, we invite you and your kids to hang out in the clubhouse, a place of boundless creativity where the only limit is your own imagination. Follow along with a boy and girl (based on us) who turn their play structure into an airplane, a submarine, a cave, a castle, and so much more! Dedicated to the simple, oft-forgotten pleasures of imaginative play will awake wonder in your children and inspire them to dream up their own big adventures!

The music for this week is taking from my brother Joel?s album Midwinter Carols? I highly suggest putting it on as a soundtrack to your Christmas preparations!

A gift recommendation for the grown up book lovers in your life?

Poster Prose by Madeline Larson Kalembach

Shop Poster Prose!

"Poster Prose exists to commemorate literature through the medium of visual art. The artist, Madeline?s, love for literature can be seen in every print. After encountering an inspiring work, Madeline creates an image depicting the book?s central themes. Created by a reader for readers, these pieces offer unique reminders of the worlds and characters created by some of our favorite authors in the books we love."

And I must put a little plug in for my own book: consider buying a copy or three of my book Aggressively Happy for the friends in your life! I like to think that in the bleak midwinter (which is, actually, the time of the year I wrote the book) this book might bring a bit of cheer and strength to us all.

Buy Aggressively Happy

All for now, friends! I wish you a beautiful advent.

Prepare well.

With love,Joy



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2022-12-13
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Klara and the Sun, Part Four

Joy discusses Part Four of Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro with Michael Burdett and King-Ho Leung. 



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2022-08-23
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Klara and the Sun, Part Three

Joy discusses Part Three of Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro with James Smoker.



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2022-08-09
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Klara and the Sun, Part Two

Joy discusses Part Two of Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro with Doctors Sarah and Jeremiah Coogan.



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2022-07-26
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Klara and the Sun, Part One

Joy announces the book for her summer reading club (Klara and the Sun by Kazuo Ishiguro), and discusses the first chapter.



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2022-07-11
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Beauty and Her Sisters, with Ben Quash

Joy speaks with Professor Ben Quash about the Swiss theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar, theological aesthetics, and the Visual Commentary on Scripture.



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2022-04-19
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Imagining Our Neighbours, Mary McCampbell

Joy speaks with Mary McCampbell (who examined her PhD!) about how literature can help us cultivate empathy toward our neighbours, near and far.



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2022-04-12
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Expect the End of the World with Paul Kingsnorth

Joy speaks with Paul Kingsnorth, a man who has been many things in his life: a poet, an eco-activist, and eco-pessimist, a warlock, and most recently, an Eastern Orthodox christian.



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2022-03-08
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Accept Love with John Swinton

After a brief break to recover from Covid, Joy shares an interview with John Swinton where they speak about God's gentle, slow love, and how we should share that love with each other.



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2022-03-04
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Shakeshafte and Other Plays with Rowan Williams

Joy speaks with Rowan Williams about his new (and first) collection of plays, the power of words, and the art of David Jones.



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2022-02-24
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Be Like Mr Collins with Haley Stewart

Joy speaks with Haley Stewart about how Jane Austen's much maligned clergyman Mr Collins knows the secrets to an aggressively happy life.



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2022-02-18
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Tell Yourself a Good Story with Casey Fritz

Joy speaks with Children's book author and illustrator Casey Fritz about the parables of Jesus, the power of storytelling, the place of horror, and the way ET demonstrate the gospel. 



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2022-02-16
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Enjoy Things Unironically with Boze Herrington

Joy speaks with Boze about guilty pleasures, BTS, the importance of wonder, and the power of enjoying things unironically.



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2022-02-15
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Remember You Have a Body with Jenna Reed

Joy speaks with Jenna Reed about why we forget we have bodies and what we lose when we do, the similarities between Manichaeism and the Netflix reality TV show Love is Blind, and gentle steps we can take toward a more integrated life.



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2022-02-14
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Dante?s Christian Ethics with George Corbett

Joy speaks with George Corbett about Dante Alighieri?s medieval literary masterpiece, the Comedia, and what it has to teach us about the search for direction in the dark wood of life and what it means to be human.



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2022-02-10
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Flounder Well

What do you do when you don't know what to do? When life is perplexing and no paths seem to lead anywhere? Joy discusses bewildering seasons through some of her favourite floundering art: a poem by Malcolm Guite, a song by Henry Jamison, a children's book by Barbara Cooney, and a movie with Harrison Ford and Julia Ormond. 



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2022-02-08
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Befriend Sadness with Sally Clarkson

Joy talks with her mother Sally Clarkson about how sadness doesn't make us bad Christians, how to find light in dark seasons, and how to accompany others through sorrow. 



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2022-02-03
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Befriend Sadness

Joy explores the theme of good grief through the journals of CS Lewis and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, the swan song of Mozart, and the Irish animated film Song of the Sea.



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2022-02-01
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Christopher Tin, Everything Under the Sun in Tune

Joy talks with two time Grammy Award winning artist Christopher Tin about synecdoche, video games, the moon landing, Pink Floyd, and why music delights us.



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2022-01-27
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Aggressively Happy

Joy reads the introduction to her new book, ponders the cultivation of joy in a weary and cynical world, and announces plans for the next ten weeks of episodes. 



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2022-01-25
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Youngest Siblings Rule the World (and other important truths), with Nathan Clarkson

Joy talks with her brother Nathan about the children's book they wrote together (The Clubhouse), how imagination and creativity reflect the image of God, and why youngest siblings are the best (just kidding... or are they?).



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2021-12-11
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How to Read Really Long Books! (with Sarah Clarkson)

In this episode, Joy talks with her sister Sarah about how (and why) to read really long books, and why reading good books is good for the soul.



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2021-12-09
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Annunciations of one sort or another...

Joy talks with Joel (her composer brother) about advent carols, and then reflects on two works of art about the the annunciation: a poem by Denise Levertov and a painting by Henry Ossawa Tanner. 



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2021-12-07
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Tea with (Dr) Joy

Joy sits down with a cup of tea to talk about finishing her PhD, writing a book, starting a new job, and what's next for the podcast.



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2021-11-30
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Part Six: Matthew Rose Sorensen

Joy reflects on the final chapter of Piranesi. 



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2021-08-03
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Part Six: The Wave (with Leah Libresco Sargeant and Caitrin Keiper)

When the man called Piranesi realizes that 16 is in danger he makes up his mind to save her from the devastating flood. Joy talks with Leah Libresco Sargeant and Caitrin Keiper about Part Six of Piranesi by Susanna Clarke.



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2021-07-27
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Part Five: Valentine Ketterley (with Haley Stewart)

This week we open a window into Matthew Rose Sorensen's past, and what we see is more horrible than we could have imagined. Joy talks with Haley Stewart about enchantment, memory, and anti-horror novels in part five of Piranesi by Susanna Clarke.



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2021-07-20
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Part Four: 16 (with Matthew Rothaus Moser)

Piranesi learns something that changes everything: his real name. Joy and Dr Matthew Rothaus Moser talk about names, disenchantment, and loneliness in Part Four of Susanna Clarke's novel Piranesi. 



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2021-07-13
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Part Three: The Prophet (with the Crouches!)

Joy hosts a family discussion with Andy, Amy, and Timothy Crouch about Part Three of Piranesi. Their conversation touches on the wicked Prophet, self-care, naïveté, knowledge, innocence, and swan bones.



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2021-07-05
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Part Two: The Other (with Malcolm Guite)

Joy talks with Malcolm Guite about his friendship with Susanna Clarke, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, and whether we live in an enchanted universe (like Piranesi's). 



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2021-06-28
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Part One: Piranesi (Summer Book Club)

After a seven month hiatus, the podcast is back! Joy speaks with her brother Joel about part one of Susanna Clarke's intriguing novel Piranesi, and then gives a literary and thematic introduction to the book.



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2021-06-22
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A Christmas Carol

A special Christmas episode in which Joy's reflects on her yearly reading of Charles Dickens excellent novella A Christmas Carol.



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2020-12-23
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Shadow and Light

Joy talks with Tsh Oxenreider about how to make the season of advent cozy and meaningful. 



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2020-11-30
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Tolkien's Bookshelves

Have you ever wondered what books were on Tolkien's bookshelves? In this episode, Joy talks with Holly Ordway about her new book Tolkien's Modern Reading.



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2020-11-23
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Sacred Strings

Joy talks with anthropologist Sabine Hyland about her adventures in the Andes, her decipherment of the lost meaning of khipus, and how life is more than money.



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2020-11-17
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Remembered and Remembering

Joy talks with Professor John Swinton about theology, disability, and dementia. God never forgets anybody, and it is the church's job to remind us we are remembered. 



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2020-11-09
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Bookish, Wise, and Tranquil

Joy talks with Dr Alan Jacobs about how reading old books can make us wise and tranquil.



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2020-10-26
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An Exercise in Hope

Joy talks with Dr Esau McCaulley about his new book Reading While Black, his desire to give his children the gift of joy in a fearful world, and their mutual passion for gospel music. 



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2020-10-20
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Good Conversations (with my mom)

A good conversation is one of life's greatest pleasures. Joy kicks off a series of conversational episodes by chatting with her mother about education as conversation, Christ as conversation partner, and the importance of honouring the voice of others.



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2020-10-13
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Reading with Joy ? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Twelve, featuring Charlotte Jones Voiklis

In this finale episode, Joy talks with Charlotte Jones Voiklis, the granddaughter of Madeleine L'Engle. They discuss how love calls us out of safety and into the fight for light.  



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2020-08-30
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Reading with Joy ? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Eleven

In this episode Joy talks with Elena Trueba about the difference between perception and vision, expensive candles, and the importance of treating people like special cupcakes and not uniform muffins.



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2020-08-24
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Reading with Joy? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Ten

Joy and Boze Herrington discuss chapter ten of Wrinkle in Time, and the importance of children's books for helping us feel at home in the world.



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2020-08-17
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Reading with Joy ? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Nine

In this episode, Joy and Dr. Matthew Rothaus Moser discuss the symbolism of Mrs Who's glasses and the innate horror regarding obscenely large disembodied brains.



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2020-08-10
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Reading with Joy ? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Eight

Joy and Brandee Knowles (cook extraordinaire!) discuss chapter eight of Wrinkle in time, living into our bravery, and the necessity of pain.



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2020-08-03
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Reading with Joy? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Seven

In this episode, Joy and L'Engle biographer Sarah Arthur discuss chapter seven, the creepiness of CENTRAL, the importance of names, and the insufficiencies of the intellect.



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2020-07-27
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Reading with Joy ? Wrinkle in Time, Chapter Six

In this episode, Joy and her mother Sally Clarkson explore chapter six of Wrinkle in Time. They discuss how the ways we narrate our stories shape the way we live them, the violence of conformity, and Sally's new book Awaking Wonder.



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2020-07-20
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