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The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast

Best-selling author Mark Manson brings his irreverent, hard-hitting style right to your ear holes with life advice that doesn't suck. ? Featuring a mix of guest appearances, burning reader questions, and solo shows with just Mark and a microphone, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast explores all the uncomfortable questions that, if you're brave enough to ask yourself, might just change your life. ? Whether it's your relationship, career, health, wealth, or happiness, Mark tackles it all with refreshing honesty and a dash of foul-mouthed humor.

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The Last Podcast

New podcast launches May 1st! We'll be releasing on this same feed, so all you have to do is stay subscribed to this channel and you'll get all the new episodes as they come out.

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After more than 70 episodes and 30 million downloads, I?ve decided to shut down The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Podcast. Yeah, I know?sounds a little crazy. But the truth is, I wasn?t having fun anymore. The guest treadmill, the pressure to play nice, the temptation to chase clicks instead of meaning?it all started to feel fake. So, I?m pulling the plug.

BUT?I?m not going away. I?m launching something new. It?s called Solved?a no-ads, no-guests, deep-dive podcast where each episode tackles one major life topic and breaks it down thoroughly. Think: values, emotions, procrastination?done right, from every angle, with real research and clear implementation. It?s the podcast I wish already existed. So I?m making it. First episode drops May 1 st!

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2025-04-09
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How to Find the Mindsets that Work For You (ft. Derek Sivers)

I?ve got a special episode for you today. I sat down in person with my longtime friend and first-ever podcast guest, Derek Sivers. We haven?t recorded live before, and honestly, it shows?in the best way. It?s raw, weird, and filled with the kind of conversations we usually when we?re just hanging out together.

We dig into Derek?s new book, Useful, Not True, and the big idea behind it: that our beliefs don?t need to be true to be helpful. That spins off into everything from remixing creative influences (metal + Dixieland jazz, anyone?) to why most podcasts?including mine?have gotten painfully predictable. We talk artistic reinvention, Bob Dylan, Bowie, Miles Davis, why most ?thought leaders? are just regurgitating each other?s ideas, and why I'm ending the podcast as you know it?and what?s next!

We also dive into the deeper stuff: the emotional power of belief, authenticity vs. performative vulnerability, therapy culture, and why sometimes the most liberating thing you can do is reject what everyone else thinks is necessary?relationships, kids, all of it.

This was one of the most honest, meandering, and creatively energizing conversations I?ve had in a while. If you?re into big questions, unconventional ideas, and the occasional musical metaphor, this one?s for you.

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2025-04-02
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How to Change Your Mind Without Losing Yourself

In this episode, Drew and I dive into some of the biggest beliefs we?ve shifted over the years?and what it actually looks like to change your mind.

We talk about Drew?s evolving views on religion, why I?m way less convinced that people are as changeable as we like to believe, and why I think trauma might be getting a little too much airtime in the self-help world.

We also get into the loneliness epidemic, the quiet power of community, and why so much of ?personal growth? isn?t about becoming someone new?it?s about learning to work with who you already are.

Leave a comment below about what you?ve changed your mind about?and enjoy.

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Chapters

00:00 Intro: What we've changed our minds about

02:59 Religion

07:40 Where does belief change start?

17:08 Does Mark stand by his books?

18:06 Why change is so hard

30:27 Trauma doesn't determine destiny

37:52 Cautious optimism

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2025-03-26
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Lessons on Money, Success, and Fulfillment You Need to Hear (ft. Lewis Howes)

Lewis Howes is one of the most successful podcasters of all time?12 years, nearly 1,800 episodes, and countless interviews with world-class performers. But what?s even more interesting is how his definition of success has evolved over the years. In this conversation, Lewis opens up about shifting from a hyper-competitive, ?be number one? mentality to a more collaborative, impact-driven approach.


We also dive into emotional regulation, the surprising ways our relationship with money affects our lives, and why most people either idolize or demonize wealth. Oh, and Lewis casually mentions he?s training to compete in the Olympics in his 40s. No big deal. This episode is packed with insights on what it really means to live a fulfilling, abundant life?without losing your mind in the process.


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2025-03-19
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Mastering Resilience, AI?s Unstoppable Rise, and Can We Truly Change?

Resilience isn?t just about gritting your teeth and enduring pain?it?s about managing the stories you tell yourself. In this episode, I break down why most people get resilience wrong and how mastering the ?second arrow? is the real key to bouncing back. We dive into post-traumatic growth, why caring about something bigger than yourself makes you stronger, and how focusing on what you can control changes everything.

We also talk about AI?how it?s not here to save or destroy humanity, but it is going to change everything. We look at how AI is already transforming creative and knowledge-based jobs, why you should be using it right now, and what you can do to stay ahead. Plus, we tackle the ultimate question: Can people change? That three-word question is lot more complex than it seems. Check it out.

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Chapters:

0:00 Mark feels the AGI?Drew does not

3:42 The Fck of the Week: Resilience

25:48 Brilliant or Bullsht: AI will doom/save us all

46:27 Q&A: Can people change?

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2025-03-12
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How to Stop Letting Fear Control Your Life (ft. Dr. Julie Smith)

You know that voice in your head that loves to tell you that you suck? Yeah, that one. The one that compares you to everyone on Instagram, tells you you?re a failure for eating cereal at 11 p.m., and insists you?ll never get your life together. Well, today, we?re calling in a professional to deal with that assh*le. Dr. Julie Smith is a clinical psychologist and viral mental health educator who?s built a massive following by actually making psychology make sense. In this episode, she breaks down how to quiet that inner critic, stop getting crushed by comparison, and reframe your self-loathing into something a little more useful?like self-respect.

We also dig into what it?s like to become internet famous when you?re an introvert, why emotions are not facts (even though they feel like they are), and how to stop letting social media, your parents, and your own bullsh*t beliefs define your worth. Whether you?re stuck in a shame spiral, wondering why life feels pointless, or just trying to figure out how to not hate yourself so much, this episode is for you.

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Chapters:

0:00 Introduction'

01:21 Using social media to improve mental health?

04:50 How Dr. Julie stays sane

07:01 When Dr. Julie has to take her own advice

14:01 How to deal with comparing yourself to others too much

24:21 The human capacity for resilience

32:56 How to be less lonely

36:57 How to know if therapy is working

43:19 What about nihilism?

52:13 Where do most parents get it wrong?

56:46 What about when you hate yourself?

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2025-03-05
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How to Fear Less, Spark More Creativity, and Choose Better Problems in Life

Fear of failure isn?t really about failure?it?s about what failure means to us. We?re not scared of messing up; we?re scared of being judged, embarrassed, or proving our worst insecurities right. But the people who actually succeed at anything are the ones willing to suck at it long enough to get good. Today, we break down why failure feels so terrifying, how social comparison messes with our heads, and why the loudest critics are usually the ones who?ve never done a damn thing themselves. Tune in for some practical tips on overcoming all of this.


We also dig into the science of why boredom can spark better ideas, why our addiction to content might be making us less creative, and whether we should all do a digital detox before our brains turn into overstimulated mush. Finally, we wrap things up with a simple but profound question: If life is just an endless series of trade-offs, what are the best problems to have? Because problems never go away?you just get to level up to better ones.


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2025-02-26
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The Unexpected Truth About Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll (ft. Randy Blythe)

Life in a rock band isn?t all sold-out shows and backstage parties?it?s a high-pressure, all-consuming commitment that tests friendships, sanity, and survival. In this episode, I sit down with Randy Blythe, legendary frontman of Lamb of God, to pull back the curtain on what it really takes to last in the music industry. From the brutal realities of band relationships to the myths of the rockstar lifestyle, Randy shares unfiltered insights on creativity, addiction, and personal transformation.


We also dig into his journey to sobriety, the impact of punk rock?s DIY ethos, and the surprising ways today?s generation is redefining rebellion. Whether you?re a musician, a fan, or just someone navigating your own challenges, this conversation is a raw and inspiring look at resilience, reinvention, and the power of staying true to yourself.


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2025-02-19
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Snake Oil or Self-Help?, Minimalism?s Real Value, and Atheists Who Go to Church

Self-help is supposed to, you know, help. But what if, sometimes, it actually makes things worse? In this episode, we take a hard look at the self-improvement industry that promises transformation but often sells little more than feel-good illusions. From outdated advice that preys on your insecurities to the dopamine hit of "life-changing" content that changes nothing, we break down why self-help often fails the people who need it most.

Along with unpacking the biggest traps of self-improvement, Drew and I also tackle whether or not minimalism was just an aesthetic rebellion against our parents? McMansion dreams. We were both once staunch minimalists and we look back on what we learned and what principles still apply to our lives today. We wrap up with a listener question about the ethics of going to church if you?re an atheist. It?s another grab bag episode full of rabbit holes. Check it out.

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Chapters

00:00 Drew's legs are too short for his chair

00:40 The F*ck of the Week: Self-Help that doesn't help26:23 Brilliant or Bullshit: Minimalism43:05 Q&A: Is it ok for atheists/agnostics to go to church?

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2025-02-12
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Ask Mark Anything: Live from Australia

Australia, you absolute legends. Back in November, I did a speaking tour across seven cities, talking to thousands of you about life, purpose, relationships, and why giving fewer fucks is the key to actually living a life you don?t hate.

We recorded some of the best Q&A moments to share with you here on the podcast. We diving into the big existential stuff?how to stop procrastinating, how to know if a relationship is right for you, and whether Australia?s ban on social media for kids is actually a good thing or not.

We?ll also talk about the brutal truth behind imposter syndrome, how to stop caring so much about what other people think, and one thing that actually helps you figure out what the hell you should be doing with your life. Plus, I?ll share some hard-earned wisdom on drinking, quitting, and why people stay in bad relationships way too long. So if you?ve ever felt stuck, lost, or just overwhelmed by the sheer absurdity of life, this one?s for you. Hit play and let?s get into it.

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Chapters

00:00 Mark goes down under

02:10 How do you discover what truly matters to you? 03:45 How can I stop procrastinating so much? 07:26 How do you deal with negative thoughts and feelings after a trauma? 09:39 How long should I wait on my "experiments" before I move on? 13:18 How do you deal with people who want you to tell you how to live your life? 14:36 What are some of the hardest things to give up? 16:43 What's your best advice on marriage? 19:40 Do you think we'll get back together? 22:12 Is society rewarding more and more bad behavior? 26:10 What are some tradeoffs that more people should do? 28:55 What can your books and content teach children? 31:57 How do you overcome imposter syndrome? 34:00 How to know if your relationship is good enough for you? 35:28 How can I deal with being overly empathetic and letting people walk all over me? 38:58 What do you think of the ban on kids using social media in Australia? 40:47 What's your advice for teenagers? 42:44 How do you overcome analysis paralysis? 44:38 How can you stop caring about other people's opinions so much? 46:56 How can we be more relevant in the AI future? 49:20 Why are so many good people not happy? 51:46 How do you go about finding your purpose in life? 54:38 What should I do if I'm focused too much on other people's problems instead of my own (codependency)? 57:42 How do continue to overcome failure after failure? 1:00:32 How can I find motivation to do anything when the world is so f*cked? 1:04:15 How can we more fully face death, grief, and loss?

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2025-02-05
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How to Build a Life Full of Meaning and Purpose (ft. Arthur Brooks)

Today, I sit down with Arthur Brooks, a renowned social scientist and happiness expert, for a deep dive into the realms of meaning, faith, and love. Our conversation takes unexpected turns as we explore the intersection of spirituality, psychology, and personal growth. From discussing the evolutionary roots of our search for meaning to examining the role of faith in modern life, this episode challenges conventional wisdom and offers fresh perspectives on age-old questions.

We cover a wide range of topics, including the importance of boredom in fostering creativity, the dangers of political activism as a substitute for religion, and the keys to a successful marriage. Arthur shares insights from his work with the Dalai Lama, explains why young men are increasingly turning to religion, and offers advice on finding meaning in a world dominated by technology. Whether you're grappling with questions of faith, seeking to understand the nature of love, or simply looking for ways to live a more fulfilling life, this conversation will leave you with plenty to ponder and explore further.

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Chapters:

0:12 Arthur and Mark's failed music careers6:28 Trading meaning for acclaim11:41 How to live a more meaningful life19:28 Is finding meaning a 1st world problem?22:27 The role of religion and/or spirituality25:43 The meaning struggle for young men and women29:44 Is religion making a comeback?37:48 What's love got to do with it?45:12 The case for religious/spiritual practice49:58 Healthy forms of spirituality55:22 Dealing with toxic people59:52 Spotting the people who will bring you down1:02:44 Marriage and meaning

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2025-01-29
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Building Real Confidence, The Motivation Puzzle, and Understanding All Your ?Parts?

Drew comes in hot today as we dig into the nitty gritty of confidence and motivation. We explore the counterintuitive idea that true confidence doesn't come from expecting success, but from being comfortable with failure. If you've ever struggled with self-doubt or felt demotivated despite external achievements, this episode might just change your perspective.


We start by dissecting what I call the "Confidence Conundrum" and how it applies to various aspects of life, from business to relationships. Then, we challenge some long-held beliefs about intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, discussing research that questions the idea that external rewards always undermine our natural interests. We wrap up with a thought-provoking exploration of Internal Family Systems theory and how understanding the different "parts" of our psyche can lead to greater self-integration. This is a grab bag episode that we had a lot of fun with, so I hope you enjoy it.


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Chapters:

00:00 Drew comes in hot 00:53 The F*ck of the Week: Confidence 21:55 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Intrinsic vs Extrinsic Motivation 42:44 Q&A: What do you think of "parts work"?


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2025-01-22
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How to Take Back Your Own Mind (ft. Tim Urban)

Today, I'm joined by my old friend Tim Urban, the mastermind behind the wildly popular blog Wait But Why. Known for his ability to break down complex topics with humor and stick-figure drawings, Tim has captured the attention of millions worldwide. From his early days as a blogger to the release of his first book, "What's Our Problem?: A Self-Help Book for Societies," Tim has consistently delivered thought-provoking content that challenges our understanding of the world around us.

In this episode, we dive into pressing issues like unfettered tribalism, the concept of "idea prisons," and the potential impact of AI on society. Tim also shares personal insights as a new parent and teases his upcoming book. It'll challenge your perspectives and leave you craving more of Tim's signature blend of depth, wit, and accessibility. Don't miss this captivating conversation that tackles the complexities of our modern world head-on.

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Chapters

01:55 The virtue of changing your mind

05:31 What has Tim changed his mind about

11:43 Are we on the other side of insanity yet?

18:05 How new media platforms shape culture

29:30 AI and tribalism

40:11 Internal and external wars

44:04 Tim on being a new parent

47:34 How Tim's views changed after having a kid

50:29 Tim's next book

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2025-01-15
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Breaking the Monoculture, the Rise of ?Premium Mediocre?, and Choosing Your Suck

Ever feel like culture?s splitting into countless micro-worlds where everyone?s just vibing to their own thing? In this episode, I introduce my theory on the "Jazzification of Everything." Drew and I dive into how our subcultures of music, entertainment, and even personal obsessions have evolved into these aging communities, totally detached from the cultural monocultures of the past. Whether it?s metal fans in their forties or electronic music lovers growing older with their favorite DJs, we explore how the media landscape and algorithms have encouraged us to stick to what we know?and why this shift could be both a gift and a curse.


We also dig into why ?premium mediocre? is taking over our consumer habits, and whether or not that?s actually a bad thing. We discuss how these tiny, exclusive-seeming trends might be fooling us, offering superficial luxuries instead of anything truly valuable. We cap it off with a big question about whether chasing after anything is worth it, or if we?re just dooming ourselves to disappointment. Give it a listen. Enjoy.


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Chapters

00:00 Mark has a theory... 00:24 The F*ck of the Week: The Jazzification of Everything22:11 Brilliant or Bullsht: "Premium Mediocre" 38:03 Q&A: Why chase anything at all?


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2025-01-08
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How to Set Goals and Create Healthy Habits in 2025

In this special New Year's episode of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck podcast, we dive into the perennial challenge of making meaningful changes in our lives. Rather than falling into the typical "new year, new you" trap that leads most people to abandon their resolutions by February, Drew and I explore a different approach to personal transformation. We share our own struggles with perfectionism, control, and finding purpose.


We also dig into some research about how evolution may have shaped our sense of purpose, the science of habit formation, and offer practical strategies for making lasting changes. Whether you're setting goals for the new year or just trying to build better habits, this episode will help you approach personal growth with more wisdom and less pressure in 2025. Enjoy.


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2025-01-01
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No Regrets, The Case Against Empathy, and Is AI Coming for Us All?

This week, we dive headfirst into the messy, uncomfortable topic of regret. From the aches and grays that come with hitting a new decade to the deeper realizations about relationships, selfish mistakes, and missed opportunities, we unpack how regret shapes who we are. And there's a twist: what if regret isn?t something to fear or avoid? What if it?s a tool for growth? I share my own stories of taking people for granted, self-destructive habits, and the lessons I?ve learned about self-forgiveness and choosing your regrets wisely.


We also tackle some fascinating questions about whether empathy is actually good for society. Is it always a good thing, or can it sometimes lead us astray? To round things off, we share our thoughts on AI and its impact on creativity and human connection.


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01:14 The F*ck of the Week: No Regrets?

19:36 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Is Empathy Always a Good Thing?

40:45 Q&A: Is AI coming for us all?


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2024-12-18
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How to Get Lucky in Life and Take Smarter Risks

Today, we dive into the fascinating world of luck, risk, and how they shape our lives. We explore the delicate balance between playing it safe and taking chances, and why understanding this balance is crucial for personal growth. If you've ever wondered whether you're too cautious or not cautious enough, then strap in for this one.

We dig into the psychology of luck, examining how our perceptions influence our outcomes, and why taking calculated risks can lead to outsized returns. We also tackle the tough question of how to cope with life's inevitable hardships. Hopefully this gives you a fresh perspective on risk-taking and a new appreciation for the role of chance in your life.

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0:00 Mark?s in the doghouse

2:44 The F*ck of the Week: Making Your Own Luck?

19:00 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: We should take more risk in life?

36:47 Q&A: How should you approach taking bigger risks?

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2024-12-11
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Advice To Avoid, The Dark Side of Therapy, and Taking Your Own Medicine

You ever notice how some people can?t stand being told what to do?even when the advice is good? Yeah, that?s me. In this episode, Drew and I dig into why so many of us rebel against advice, why others chase it like their life depends on it, and whether all that ?actionable advice? we?re constantly fed is actually helping anyone. Spoiler: I?m not a fan of cookie-cutter solutions, and I?ve got some opinions about the self-help industry?s obsession with telling people exactly what to do.


We also get into the bigger picture?how advice often misses the mark when it?s not tailored to someone?s unique situation, and how therapy culture might be trying to replace something deeper that?s missing in our lives. I?ll share why I don?t give rigid life hacks, the trouble with universal solutions, and the surprising reason why most breakthroughs aren?t about the advice at all. If you?re tired of ?do this, don?t do that? advice, this one?s for you.


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01:26 - The F*ck of the Week: Actionable Advice

21:26 - Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Therapy vs Therapy Culture

38:04 - Q&A: Taking Your Own Medicine


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2024-12-04
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How to Stop Living for Other People (ft. Ben Nemtin)

Have you ever felt like there?s more to life than the daily grind, like your dreams are buried under all the obligations and expectations life throws at you?

In this episode, we sit down with The Buried Life co-founder and New York Times bestselling author, Ben Nemtin, to explore why so many of us feel disconnected from our true purpose?and how to reclaim it.

For Ben, it all started as a group of friends chasing wild bucket-list dreams and helping strangers achieve their dreams too. In the process, they discovered what it means to give yourself permission to dream and then make those dreams a reality.

We dive deep into the psychology of fear, the power of accountability, and the surprising benefits of doing what you love?not just for yourself, but for everyone around you. We discuss why most people regret not living authentically, how to overcome the social and emotional barriers holding you back, and practical strategies for rediscovering your dreams, even if they?ve been buried for years.

If you?re looking for inspiration to take that first small step toward a life that feels truly yours, this episode will get you there.

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The Buried Life (Poem): https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43585/the-buried-life

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00:00 What is the buried life?

06:57 Finding your gift and giving it away

11:07 The impact of The Buried Life TV show

18:06 Your goals don't have to be big to be meaningful

21:17 Your authentic self changes over time

26:15 Buried lives and the modern world

34:50 How to uncover your buried life

50:22 Leveraging emotions in your favor

59:41 Ben's Bucket List Journal

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2024-11-20
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The 4 Stages of Life, Psychological Richness, and How Much Is Enough?

Life has a way of just kind of happening to you. And while exactly what happens is unique to each of us, we all seem to go through very similar stages of our lives.

Today, we talk about the challenges of these stages. Each stage comes with its own ?crisis? that, if navigated well, can propel us to the next stage. It is this never-ending struggle where life happens.

And then? Drew gets all new age and Mark just isn?t having it. And we round it out with a very simple, yet very difficult question from a listener: How much is enough?

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Chapters:00:00 Introduction

02:48 The F*ck of the Week: The Four Stages of Life

26:09 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Psychological Richness

38:27 Q&A: How much is enough?

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2024-11-13
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How to Cut Through the Bullsh*t in Modern Dating (ft. Sabrina Zohar)

Wouldn?t it be great if we dropped all the bullsh*t about modern dating? No more games. No more fake, flaky people. No more texting back and forth for weeks or even months only to find out you have zero chemistry when you meet up in person. No more f*cking bots and AI generated dating profiles?

Sabrina Zohar definitely thinks we can skip all of it and get right down to the fun stuff (oh yeah, baby!). All it requires is brutal honesty with yourself and the people you?re interested in. So if you can stomach that, this episode is right up your alley.

We ask Sabrina: What does your attachment style really tell you about how you should date? Are dating apps really that terrible, or can we change the way we use them to get better results? And do we have high standards, or are our expectations just too f*cking high?

And a whole lot more.

We had a lot of fun in the studio with Sabrina. I hope you enjoy it too.

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About Sabrina Zohar

Sabrina Zohar is the multi-faceted entrepreneur and media figure responsible for coaching hundreds of thousands of people to start doing the work to improve their dating life, their relationships with others?and more importantly: their relationships with themselves.

Sabrina?s online presence shifted from talking about her sustainable clothing line, SoftWear, to sharing about her personal dating life. Sabrina?s message spread like wildfire, and the rest is history.

Sabrina?s message has earned her features in NBC California live, The LA times, The Drew Barrymore show, Daily Mail, Newsweek, US Sun, Yahoo, MSN, and more. Sabrina is a multi-faceted force guiding individuals to success in the entrepreneurial space, fashion, podcasting and media, and of course, the intricate world of love and relationships.

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00:00 Introducing Sabrina Zohar

04:25 The F*ck of the Week: Attachment Styles

21:36 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Dating Apps

46:28 Q&A: Are my standards too high?

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2024-11-06
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How to Get Out of a Rut, Pain and Boredom, and Knowing When to Quit

Today, we?re diving deep into the subtle difference between a healthy routine and a rut. How can you tell if your daily grind is keeping you grounded? or just grinding you down?

Next, we tackle the question of boredom: Why does it feel so unbearable, and could we actually be missing out on its hidden perks? Spoiler alert?boredom might just be the key to unlocking your most creative, inspired self.

Finally, we confront one of life?s biggest dilemmas: When is it time to walk away, and when should you double down? Whether it?s a project that?s going nowhere or a relationship that feels like it?s on life support, we?ll give you insights on knowing when to quit and when to stick it out.

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01:19 F*ck of the Week: Routines vs ruts

17:50 Brilliant or Bullsht: How painful is boredom?

31:06 Q&A: When to quit vs when to grit?

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2024-10-30
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How to Find Your True Path in Life (ft. Robert Greene)

What are you called to do in life? What is your life?s task? And once you figure that out, how do you pursue it?

The one and only Robert Greene sat down with us on the pod to talk about all of these questions and a whole more.

We discuss finding and pursuing one?s life task, the nature and causes of ?Peter Pan Syndrome?, science vs timeless wisdom on life, figuring out what do in midlife after you?ve taken the wrong path, and a much more.


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About Robert Greene

Robert Greene is the author of the New York Times bestsellers The 48 Laws of Power, The Art of Seduction, The 33 Strategies of War, The 50th Law, Mastery, The Laws of Human Nature, and most recently of The Daily Laws.

In addition to having a strong following within the business world and a deep following in Washington, DC, Greene?s books are hailed by everyone from war historians to the biggest musicians in the industry (including Jay-Z, Drake, and 50 Cent).

Greene attended U.C. Berkeley and the University of Wisconsin at Madison, where he received a degree in classical studies. He currently lives in Los Angeles.

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00:40 The F*ck of the Week: Finding Your Life?s Task


29:37 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Peter Pan Syndrome

43:15 Q&A: Science vs Timeless Philosophy, How to Start Over in Midlife

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2024-10-23
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Keeping the Weight Off, Rewiring Your Brain with Psychedelics, and Finding Strong Male Role Models

It's hard enough to change, but why it is so hard to maintain that change too? How might psychedelics facilitate big changes in our lives? And how can young men find healthy role models in the modern world?

In this week's pod, we cover my current struggles around keeping a healthy diet and lifestyle, how psychedelics might actually scramble your brain (in a good way), and why so many young men are struggling to find a place in the world today.

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00:15 The F*ck of the Week: Struggling with food and healthy eating

14:23 Brilliant of Bullsh*t: Psychedelics rewire your brain?

26:37 Q&A: How do I be man in today's world?

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2024-10-16
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How to Beat Distraction and Still Enjoy Life (ft. Nir Eyal)

Why can?t we just do the things we know we should do? It?s a simple question with a very complex answer.

To help us answer it, I sat down with my old friend, Nir Eyal, a behavioral design expert and author of the best-selling book, Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life.

I love Nir?s approach because he doesn?t linger on the surface of the problem of distraction by hocking the latest app or hack or fancy new time management method. Instead, he dives right into the thorny emotional realities we all face in trying to lead productive, meaningful lives.

In this episode, we talk about what it means to be ?indistractable? and how it?s probably the most important skill of the 21st century. We also get Nir?s take on the role of social media in our lives (his views on this might surprise you). And finally, he answers that timeless question: Why don?t we just do what we know we should do?

Enjoy.

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Nir Eyal writes, consults, and teaches about the intersection of psychology, technology, and business. Nir previously taught as a Lecturer in Marketing at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and the Hasso Plattner Institute of Design at Stanford.

He is the author of two bestselling books, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products, and Indistractable: How to Control Your Attention and Choose Your Life. His books have resonated with readers worldwide, selling over 1 million copies in over 30 languages.

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2:02 The F*ck of the Week: Becoming Indistractable

23:04 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: The Social Dilemma

44:20 Q&A: How do I get myself to do the things I know I should do?

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2024-10-09
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How TikTok Ruined Politics (And Your Sex Life)

How many f*cks should we give about politics? What?s driving the widening ideological gap between young men and women? And is the world truly and utterly f*cked beyond all recognition?

In this episode, we talk politics without really talking politics. We cover how to stay up-to-date on current events without going insane, what history can teach us about the present, the real downside to TikTok?s invasion of?well, everything?and why there is still reason to hold out hope, even when it seems like the world is going straight to hell.

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01:17 The F*ck of the Week: Politics

16:24 Brilliant or Bullsh*t: Is TikTok Ruining Politics AND Dating?

32:24 Q&A: Is Everything Just F*cked?

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2024-10-02
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When to Cut Off Your Parents, Mastering Conflict, and Why a Crazy Family Can Make You a Better Person

Cutting off bad or toxic parents is all the rage in some pockets of the internet these days?but have we lowered the bar a little too much for what makes a parent ?toxic?? How can we navigate and own up to the hard conversations we need to have with the people closest to us? And is there a silver lining for putting up with family members who drive us absolutely f*cking insane?

Join us on today?s pod as we get a little squirmy in our chairs while we tackle these issues. Drew squashes some beefs, Mark sniffs out some of the bullshit around cutting people off, and we answer one of your questions about dealing with those crazy people you just can?t get away from: your family.

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2024-09-25
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How to Be a Great Friend, Para-Social Relationships, and Why You Shouldn't Die Alone

The quality of your life often comes down to the quality of the relationships you have. That?s why we?re giving a huge f*ck about friendship this week.

While the benefits of having good friends are pretty obvious, the cost of maintaining friendships is often overlooked by a lot of people. We dive into that, plus some advice on when you should and shouldn?t cut off people in your life, and how friends and romantic partners really impact our happiness.

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2024-09-18
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Self-Help Junkies, Stupid Experts, and the Worst Life Advice I've Ever Heard

Are you addicted to self-improvement? Are experts really any better than the rest of us at knowing how to make positive changes in our lives? What are some common pieces of life advice that just don't seem to work?

Drew and I tackle all of these questions today in our brand new, updated format for the pod. Find out why self-help can turn into pseudo-religion (and why we should bring back exorcisms), whether or not a huge mega-study by a bunch of fancy experts can tell us anything about behavioral change, and some common self-improvement tropes that just don't do it for us.

Here's the study we discuss:Megastudies improve the impact of appliedbehavioural science

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2024-09-11
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What It Really Takes to Accomplish Your Dreams (ft. Steven Pressfield)

Steven Pressfield was 52 years old when he published his first hit novel, The Legend of Bagger Vance. Prior to that, he wrote tirelessly for decades in obscurity, supporting himself with odd jobs along the way.

After writing several more novels and movie scripts, he distilled all of his wisdom into The War of Art, his now-famous treatise on the grinding process of creativity.

Now in his 80s, Steven looks back on his work and life with a clear-eyed view of what it truly means to make it as a creative professional. In this episode, he explains why he persisted writing for decades with little to show for it, how he compensated for his own lack of talent, why creating great art is actually a grueling war fought within the artist?s own mind, and much, much more.

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2024-08-28
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5 Ways to Be Self-Disciplined Without Making Yourself Miserable

We often think self-discipline requires massive action and a lot of pain and sacrifice?but the reality is a lot more boring. Today, we tackle some common misconceptions about self-discipline, arguing that real change comes from setting up your environment for success, not grinding through endless struggle.

We explore the hidden dangers of romanticizing pain and why true self-discipline is more about boring consistency than epic feats of endurance. Hopefully, this episode challenges you to rethink how you approach your goals and habits. If you're ready to stop punishing yourself and start seeing real, lasting change, you won?t want to miss this.

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2024-08-21
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Bonus Q&A: Facing Regrets, Hustle Culture, Living with ADHD, and More

It?s bonus episode time! Today, I?m doing a Q&A with questions you?ve all submitted. We dive into how I?ve changed my mind, bad habits, regrets, dead dreams, advice to young people, meditation, and a whole lot more.

Submit your questions for future podcasts in the comments or email them to podcast@markmanson.net.

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2024-08-16
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How To Be Successful in a World That Wasn?t Built for You (ft. Astronaut Cady Coleman)

How do you find your way in a world where even when you do everything right, the odds keep getting stacked against you? My guest today, Cady Coleman, shares how she navigated the male-dominated fields of science, the Air Force, and NASA, breaking down barriers with tenacity and grace.

From her time on the International Space Station to the release of her first book, Sharing Space, Cady?s story is a powerful reminder of the importance of mission, adaptability, and the unwavering belief in one?s potential, even when the world around you says otherwise.

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2024-08-14
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6 Ways to Stop Giving a F*ck

We all wish we gave fewer f*cks in our lives, but wanting to and doing it are two different things. If you've read my book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck, then you know that not giving a f*ck doesn't mean you don't care about anything?it means deliberately choosing what you give a f*ck about and ignore the rest.

In this episode, we dive into the realities of not giving f*ck, the good and the bad. We talk about why there will never be a time when you're completely free from judgement by others. Why being "normal"?whatever that means?is not something to aspire to, nor is wanting to be liked by everyone. How criticism is a part of life you can't escape?but not all criticism is created equal. And a whole lot more.

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2024-08-07
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It's Never Too Late to Turn Your Life Around (ft. Brandon Novak)

Brandon Novak showed all the signs of becoming a highly successful, rebellious young man. He was a professional skateboarder in his early teens, rubbing elbows with the likes of Bucky Lasek and Tony Hawk. In his late teens and twenties, he was a regular on world-famous TV shows like Viva La Bam and Jackass.

But drugs and alcohol were always lurking in the shadows for Novak, and he soon fell head-first into the dark trap of his addictions. He endured bouts of homelessness, committed every petty crime you could imagine, and even resorted to sex work to feed his addictions.

The stats would suggest Brandon Novak shouldn?t be sober right now. He probably shouldn?t even be alive. But not only is he alive with 9 years of sobriety under his belt, he?s found a deep and meaningful purpose in his life, running his own rehab centers and taking care of his elderly mother.

This is the hilarious and heartening story of how Brandon Novak turned it all around. And trust me, if he can do it, so can anyone else.

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2024-07-31
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The Backwards Law: How to Get More by Doing Less

There are certain areas in life where trying harder only makes things worse. Trying to prove how likable and confident you are only makes you feel more unlikable and less confident. Trying to make someone love you only makes you feel more unlovable.

The solution to this conundrum is what?s known as ?The Backwards Law?.

Simply put, The Backwards law states that desiring a positive experience is itself a negative experience, while accepting a negative experience is a positive experience.

In this episode, Drew and I talk about five areas of life where doing less can actually reap massive benefits.

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2024-07-24
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Is Social Media Really Ruining Our Lives? Or Is It Something Else? (ft. Jonathan Haidt)

Is everything going to hell in a handcart because of smartphones and social media? In this episode, I sit down with NYU professor and bestselling author Jonathan Haidt to tackle this burning question.

Dr. Haidt makes a compelling case that our addiction to these devices is wreaking havoc on society, from mental health crises to political turmoil. But is it really all the smartphone?s fault? I'm not so sure it's quite that simple, so I wanted to dive deeper into the nuances.

We get into the nitty-gritty and I challenge some of Haidt?s claims, exploring questions like, why do these issues seem to hit the English-speaking world the hardest? Is this another moral panic, or is this time really different? We also discuss the differences in how smartphones affect various demographics and cultures, and why understanding these distinctions is crucial. Plus, we explore Jonathan?s practical and highly sensible recommendations for parents, educators, and policymakers.

Whether you?re a skeptic or a die-hard believer, this episode will make you rethink your relationship with the technology in our pockets.

Let's do this.

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2024-07-17
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How I Lost 60 Pounds and Started Giving A F*ck About My Health

Over the past 5 years, I?ve completely changed my relationship to my health. Prior to that, I was overweight, pre-diabetic, and having chest pains in my mid-30s. I thought maybe eating a salad once a week and going for a run every now then would take care of it. I was wrong.

Since then, I?ve lost 60 pounds (~30kg). I now enjoy exercising regularly and I eat healthy and nutritious foods. My daily life is much more physically active and I get way better sleep. I?m happy with my health now?but it took a long time to get here.

I?m not going to share a bunch of workout routines or complicated diets. What worked for me might not work for you. But I can share what I went through to get here in the hopes that you, too, might change how you think about your health and take it more seriously. Because at the end of the day, your health is definitely something you should give a f*ck about.

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2024-07-10
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Life-Changing Insights From Traveling To Every Country In The World (ft. Drew Binsky)

Drew Binsky is a fearless traveler who's seen it all. From chatting with North Koreans in their homeland to dodging bombings in Somalia and volunteering in Syria in the middle of a civil war, Drew's adventures are nothing short of incredible. He's been to every country in the world, witnessing the most dangerous places and surviving a few close calls. Yet, his experiences have led him to a surprising conclusion: most people, most of the time, are good. Even in the direst circumstances, Drew finds that human resilience can prevail.

In our conversation, Drew shares why he's drawn to war zones and failed states, revealing the profound lessons he's learned from them. We discuss why you should never judge a country by the news you hear about it, how the most impactful trips are often the most challenging, and where to find the friendliest people on Earth. Drew also offers his top travel tips on spontaneity, connecting with locals, and what he looks for on his travel adventures. It's a deep dive into the heart of travel and human nature that might just inspire you to see the world a little differently.

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2024-07-03
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How to Know When to Give Up on Goals

A lot of people treat goals like some kind of sacred self-improvement law, where the most important thing you can do is set and achieve your goals.


But goals are simply tools we use to point us in the right direction. Your goals should serve you?and so you shouldn?t be a slave to some arbitrary goal you set when it?s no longer serving you. So how do you know when a goal is no longer pushing you in the right direction?


In this episode, I talk about why I gave up a pretty big goal I set at the beginning of the year. I discuss what I think are the criteria you should use when deciding whether to give up on a goal or stick it out.


We also discuss what we learned from the goals survey we did for podcast viewers and listeners. How many stuck with their goals and how many have moved on? What are the most effective tactics people used to stick to their goals? What are the most important lessons they learned about their goals and themselves?


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2024-06-26
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How to Become Resilient and Break World Records (ft. Dean Stott)

After a catastrophic parachuting accident ended his military career in the British special forces, Dean Stott couldn't just retire to a quiet life. Instead, he decided to shatter boundaries in entirely new fields.

These days, when Dean isn't prepping to beat another world record, like a 14,000-mile bike ride in less than 100 days, he's jet-setting around the world rescuing civilians and diplomats alike from war zones.

In this episode, Dean shares his unique approach to overcoming adversity, managing risk, and staying mentally tough in the most challenging situations. We explore his fascinating experiences from war-torn countries to royal security and the psychological benefits of meticulous planning and mission-driven thinking. Dean also offers a glimpse into how he balances extreme challenges with a grounded personal life.

Enjoy.


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2024-06-19
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The Blue Dot Effect: Why Things Always Seem Worse Than They Are

Have you ever wondered why, despite everything seemingly going well, you still feel a nagging sense of dissatisfaction? Well, you?re not alone. This is actually a fascinating psychological phenomenon I call "The Blue Dot Effect". It?s all about how our brains can trick us into seeing problems and negativity even when everything around us is getting better.

Join me and Drew as we unpack this curious effect and explore how it impacts our everyday lives. From the way we perceive our personal achievements to our overall happiness, the Blue Dot Effect plays a sneaky role in shaping our mindset.

Let's dig right in.

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2024-06-12
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The Harsh Truth About Self-Discipline (ft. Rich Roll)

I?ve often wondered if self-discipline is just a way of turning bad addictions into healthy ones. After all, addictions of all kinds are really just an attempt to numb and distract ourselves from facing uncomfortable feelings. Can?t the same be said for healthy behaviors once they reach a level of compulsion?

I brought Rich Roll on the pod to discuss this idea because, well, he?s a recovered alcoholic who turned into an ultra-endurance athlete in his 40s. Rich is no stranger to reinventing himself, repeatedly leveraging his flaws into virtues.

We talk about the value of pain as a catalyst for change, the idea that addiction is a spectrum that doesn?t just involve substances, terrible breakups, finding a deeper spirituality, lessons from Rich?s financial struggles, his career running a top podcast, and much, much more.

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2024-06-05
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5 Ways to Hack Your Mind For Success

The way you think about the world and your place in it can have a huge impact on your life. And yet, when it comes to evaluating the way we think, we?re rarely able to smell our own bullshit.

So today, Drew and I break down five different mindsets you can adopt to live a more examined, successful life. This requires you to reject many of the mindless beliefs you?ve been force fed your entire life.

Let?s do it.

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2024-05-29
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How Modern Dating Became Such a Dumpster Fire (ft. Sadia Khan)

Let's be honest: the modern dating landscape is a shit show. From declining marriage rates and rising infidelity to the nightmare of using dating apps?it's brutal out there.

With all these supposedly "easy" ways to meet new people, why are the people who want long-term, stable relationships so fed up with the dating world?

I invited dating and relationships coach Sadia Khan on the pod to discuss how the skills we use to excel in modern dating often sabotage long-term happiness.

Sadia brings a refreshing, thought-provoking perspective to the conversation that will help you navigate the complexities of today's dating world. We dive into the role of self-esteem in successful relationships, the pitfalls of modern dating advice, and the skewed expectations shaped by social media, dating apps, and pornography.

Enjoy.

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2024-05-22
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5 Ugly Truths That Make Life Beautiful

So many people seem to be obsessed with feeling good all the time. They?re always looking for ?hacks? to an easier, happier life. But what if the easy way actually makes it harder to have a life full of meaning and purpose?

Today, Drew and I take on the ugly truths that give life its beauty. Some of these might be a little hard to stomach at first. But if you see them through, you might be surprised at what?s on the other side.

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2024-05-15
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How to go from Boring to Extraordinary (ft. Codie Sanchez)

In an era where ?quiet quitting? and ?self-care? obsessions seem to be all the rage, there?s a huge opportunity to set yourself apart from everyone else?and it?s not as hard as you might think.

Codie Sanchez set herself apart by buying ?boring businesses? and turning her venture into a multi-million dollar enterprise.

But for Codie, it?s about so much more than the money. Her simple mantra is, ?question everything?, and it has given her a unique perspective on life, relationships, and happiness, which we explore here in this week?s pod.

This was a fun interview, check it out.

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2024-05-08
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(Q&A) Fear of Failure, Morning Routines, and... Manifesting?

A week ago, we hit 2M subs on YouTube and 10M podcast downloads, and I promised a special Q&A episode of the pod?which turned out to be more fun than I expected.

Jump in on this celebratory episode, where I rapid fire through some of the most interesting questions sent in by you guys.

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2024-05-01
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The Stoic Secrets to a Good Life (ft. Ryan Holiday)

There?s an ancient philosophy that could actually help you give fewer f*cks, and unless you?ve been living under a rock, you?ve probably heard of it.

Stoicism has been helping people manage their stress and anxiety for thousands of years and today, it?s more relevant than ever.

@ryanholiday is the New York Times Bestselling author of multiple books on Stoicism. He believes that Stoicism is the framework that can help you be a normal person in an increasingly crazy world.

Today?s episode dives into the life-altering benefits of following a philosophy that encourages you to focus on what you can control, and fuck the rest.

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2024-04-24
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7 Underrated Habits for a Better Life (and 7 Overrated Ones Too)

I just heard about the ?bed rotting? trend on social media and I think I need a minute.

Because if the kids think staying in bed all day eating pizza and doom scrolling is a form of rejuvenation then I?m calling bullshit on self-care.

Today?s episode is a fun one. Drew and I have a long list of common self-improvement practices and I?m scoring them as overrated or underrated or, ?it depends.?

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2024-04-17
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