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Trailblazers in Love: Understanding & Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community with Jeff Lutes – Replay – (286)
2:00 ? Jeff?s anecdotes about religion and sexuality
11:18 ? How advocacy can be a thankless job
12:00 ? Introduction to the Contemporary Relationships Conference
14:34 ? The difference between being trained in accepting versus educated
16:48 ? The importance of knowing the correct terminology
20:39 ? What we can learn from the polyamorous community
22:58 ? Definition of queer and who that represents
24:37 ? Let?s talk about pronouns
31:21 ? Explanation of dead naming and why it is wrong
42:15 ? Conversion therapy research and findings
47:00: Trailblazers in Love, Jeff’s book
Resources for today’s episode Advocating for the LGBTQ+ CommunityJeff Lute’s Website ? Information, credentials, presentations and publications
Contemporary Relationships Conference ? Conference information and proposals
Get your copy of his book, Trailblazers in Love, here!! About our Guest ? Jeff Lutes, LPCJeff specializes in creating collaborative conversations with clients that generate new possibilities for change. Using a postmodern approach, he listens carefully to each client’s story and strives to understand how they might make meaning of themselves, others, and the world around them. He founded the Contemporary Relationships Conference and has presented to audiences around the country, including the American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy, the American Family Therapy Academy, the American Counseling Association, and the Texas Psychological Association. He is also the author of Trailblazers In Love, as well as chapters in three counseling textbooks. Lutes also wrote a children’s book about adoption, deaf culture, and non-traditional families and has been a contributing writer at Bilerico and Therapy Matters.
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Mind, Body, Heart, Spirit: Embodying Liberation Psychology with Dr. Shena Young – Replay – (285)
Join co-host Sue Marriott and Dr. Shena Young as they dive into liberation psychology and the conflict between intuition and the traditional European model of psychology. Dr. Shena highlights embodying a holistic approach to help heal traumas and deeply root us in our most authentic selves. Whether through connections with nature or the exploration of ancestral traditions, this discussion is enriched with various opportunities to reconnect and liberate our mind, body, heart, and spirit.
About our Guest ? Dr. Shena Young (She/Her) Affectionately known as Dr. Shena (she/her) & spiritually as Iya Osunbunmi Orisasewa, she is a licensed embodiment-focused psychologist?healer, artist, mental health futurist, on-set wellbeing professional, and priestess in the Isese tradition of Ifa. She holds space internationally for individuals, couples, groups, and organizations committed to the ritual of calling themselves back into their bodies as a freedom practice. She owns a private practice, embodied truth healing & psychological services, rooted in Los Angeles, CA where she offers mind?body?heart?spirit care in healing from sexual, racial, intergenerational, and ancestral traumas. Time Stamps for Embodying Liberation Psychology1:30 ? Dr. Shena?s journey with liberation psychology and decolonization
7:25 ? Dr. Shena?s early life and intuition
9:48 ? Body language is one of our first languages
18:58 ? Understanding the pillars of authenticity
20:52 ? Embracing the mind, body, heart, spirit approach
28:21 ? Unlearning scarcity and expecting abundance
33:29 ? Thinking of currency as seeds
41:37 ? New interests in ancient traditions
44:11 ? What the act of grounding may look like
51:45 ? The decriminalization of psychedelic plant medicines
56:30 ? There is power in practicing choice
1:05:01 ? Impact of The Color Purple
Resources for today’s episode ? Embodying Liberation PsychologyEmbodiedTruthHealing.com ? Dr. Shena’s website
Healing Opportunities with Dr. Shena
@EmbodiedTruthHealing ? Dr. Shena’s Instagram
Invest in healing programs for BIPOC
Dr. Clenora Hudson-Weems website ? Where Dr. Shena first learned about Africana Womanist theory
Body Rites ? Dr. Shena’s book. Get your copy!!
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Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)
Dr. Ann Kelley is joined LIVE from Psychotherapy Networker with Dafna Lender, to explore the complex dynamics of parent-child estrangement. Focusing on the emotional and psychological impacts of cutting off family relationships, together they highlight the cultural influences that contribute to these estrangements, the therapeutic perspectives on navigating such situations, and the importance of empathy and boundaries in managing family dynamics. This conversation is about learning to hold both empathy and boundaries – understanding why someone might step away, and how to stay grounded and compassionate in the process. It?s an honest look at the heartbreak, the healing, and the hope that can emerge when families face difficult truths.
Time Stamps for Navigating Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)03:06 Understanding the impact of estrangement
05:58 Cultural influences on family cutoffs
09:14 Therapeutic perspectives on estrangement
17:54 Boundaries and the spectrum of estrangement
32:52 Navigating boundaries and self-protection
46:31 Finding meaning in senselessness
52:21 Exploring values in relationships
Dafna is a family therapy expert and attachment specialist. Dafna is an international trainer and supervisor for practitioners who work with children and families. She is a certified trainer and supervisor/consultant in both Theraplay and Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy (DDP), as well as an EMDR therapist. Dafna?s expertise is drawn from 28 years of working with families in many settings: at-risk after school programs, therapeutic foster care, in-home crisis stabilization, residential care and private practice. Dafna is author of Integrative Attachment Family Therapy (2023) and the co-author of Theraplay the Practitioner?s Guide (2020). She teaches and supervises clinicians in 15 countries in 4 languages: English, Hebrew, French and Spanish.
Resources for Navigating Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)Dafna’s website – Resources, courses & additional information
Integrative Attachment Family Therapy: A Clinical Guide to Heal and Strengthen the Parent-Child Relationship through Play, Co-regulation, and Meaning-Making – Get your copy of her paperback
Theraplay the Practitioners Guide – The definitive guide to Theraplay® for practitioners, officially endorsed by the Theraplay® Institute Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW!Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping who you are and how you connect with others.
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Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)
Join Sue Marriott and Dr. Sean Inderbitzen – an autistic psychotherapist and advocate for neurodiversity – as he shares his powerful personal and professional journey in understanding autism. Together, they explore the evolution of autism diagnosis, the intersections between attachment and neurodivergence, and how polyvagal theory can both illuminate and complicate the autistic experience. Dr. Inderbitzen offers insights on self-diagnosis, identity formation, and what truly person-centered therapy looks like for autistic individuals. This conversation highlights the central role of trust, safety, and authentic connection in helping neurodivergent clients thrive.
“…Autism in Polyvagal Terms… is about giving people the tools they need, specifically giving therapists the tools they need to help autistic clients with a lens that really familiar with.” – Sean Inderbitzen, DSW, LCSW Time Stamps for Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)01:43 Understanding Autism: A personal journey
03:38 Defining Autism: Perspectives and misconceptions
07:11 The evolution of autism diagnosis
11:31 The debate on ‘disorder’ in autism
24:59 Neuroaffirming Therapy: What does it mean?
31:21 Heart rate variability and autism
37:27 Understanding attachment and autism
41:24 The complexity of autism and parenting
44:09 Navigating the ethical quandaries in autism care
57:28 Upcoming events and future works
Sean M. Inderbitzen, DSW, LCSW, an autistic psychotherapist and researcher through Mayo Clinic Health System. He regularly trains healthcare professionals to be more confident when working with people on the spectrum.
Resources for Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)Autism in Polyvagal Terms: New Possibilities and Interventions – Get your copy of his book, here!!
Information, resources, books & more!
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As a listener of this podcast, use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount.
Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! You are invited! Join our exclusive community to get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus an ad-free, private feed. In addition, receive exclusive episodes recorded just for you. Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!! Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all!Whether it?s your first time in therapy or your fiftieth, Grow makes it easier to find a therapist who fits you, not the other way around. Sessions average about $21 with insurance and some pay as little as $0, depending on their plan. Visit GrowTherapy.com/TU today to get started. Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan.
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Storytelling as Medicine: Decolonizing Therapy with José Rosario (282)
José Rosario shares the transformative role of storytelling in healing and liberation. He invites therapists to move beyond traditional coping frameworks and embrace radical healing – an approach that centers cultural wisdom, intersectional identity, and community empowerment. Together, Sue and José discuss how clinicians can respond to hate-based violence, recognize collective trauma, and actively dismantle systems of harm. José also shares his personal journey toward self-acceptance and the playful practices that sustain his work, offering inspiration for those seeking to uplift marginalized voices through creativity and connection.
?What a disservice it is to silence ourselves when we have so much to give to the world.? – José Rosario Time Stamps for Storytelling as Medicine: Decolonizing Therapy with José Rosario (282)05:21 Intersectional identities and personal narratives
11:17 Empathy vs. action in therapy
19:36 Dismantling ableism in therapy
23:08 Understanding hate-motivated violence
31:36 The role of therapists in community healing
36:31 Finding meaning in adversity
38:04 The Phoenix Empowered: A call to action
Born to young Puerto Rican parents, José Rosario developed Cerebral Palsy as a premature baby. His family’s journey towards equity deeply impacted his mental health. Currently nearing his PhD in Clinical Psychology, his research focuses on cultural trauma in intersectional communities. He is an Interdisciplinary Minority Fellow for the American Psychological Association, member of the Congressional Diversity and Equality Advisory Board for Congressman James Langevin, and member of the Rhode Island Attorney General Community Advisory Board. He has been honored with the Chris Martin Humanitarian Award and the Victoria Lederberg Award for Excellence in Psychology.
Resources for Storytelling as Medicine: Decolonizing Therapy with José Rosario (282)The Phoenix Empowered – Storytelling and education to amplify the experiences of minoritized communities, facilitate an inclusive mental health conversation, and empower systemic change.
Phoenix Unbound – Show hosted by José Rosario
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Saving Relationships in a Polarized World: Bill Doherty on Citizen Therapists & Political Healing (281)
Image: The Project Twins – Art from the Braver Angels, Seattle
Dr. Ann Kelley sits down with Dr. Bill Doherty to explore the idea of ?Citizen Therapists? and how therapists ? and all of us ? can help bridge divides in a polarized world. Together, they dive into discernment counseling for couples on the brink of divorce, the groundbreaking work of Braver Angels in fostering dialogue across political differences, and the skills we all need for hard but healing conversations. This conversation highlights the power of curiosity, respectful boundaries, and understanding – whether in our closest relationships or across society.
“Conflict entrepreneurs, people who make their living using various megaphones to tell us that the people on the other side are evil, and not to be trusted.” – William Doherty Time Stamps for Saving Relationships in a Polarized World: Bill Doherty on Citizen Therapists & Political Healing (281)08:14 Exploring political divides in relationships
10:58 Braver Angels: Bridging political divides
13:29 The Fishbowl method: Creating safe spaces for dialogue
19:00 Values over policies: Finding common ground
29:13 Boundaries in political conversations
32:43 Understanding political views through stories
37:44 Desire for connection vs. differentiation
44:24 Bringing therapeutic skills to public discourse
51:08 Access to affordable healthcare
01:00:37 Managing family dynamics
01:07:00 Becoming a citizen therapist
Bill Doherty is a Professor Emeritus in the Department of Family Social Science at the University of Minnesota. As a therapist, he focuses on couples on the brink of divorce and on political stress in relationships. He has authored 14 books for professionals and the public. Following the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, he co-founded Braver Angels, a citizen initiative bringing conservatives and liberals together to counteract political polarization and restore the fraying social fabric in American society. Bill is the chief designer of the Braver Angels workshops and has conducted sessions all over the country, including for corporations, state legislatures, and the Problem Solvers Caucus in Congress. Braver Angels now has volunteers working in all 50 states. Among his awards is the Lifetime Achievement Award from the American Family Therapy Academy.
Resources for Saving Relationships in a Polarized World: Bill Doherty on Citizen Therapists & Political Healing (281)Braver Angels – Website and resources leading the nation?s largest cross-partisan, volunteer-led movement
“Becoming a Citizen Therapist: Integrating Community Problem-Solving Into Your Work as a Healer” – Purchase your copy by William J. Doherty and Tai J. Mendenhall
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Bonus – Harnessing “Genius Energy”: The Art of Wise Effort for Growth with Dr. Diana Hill (280)
Ann Kelley and Diana Hill dive into the concept of wise effort and its impact on how we manage our energy in both personal and professional life. They explore the difference between life force energy and anxiety, the role of emotional sensitivity, and why community resilience matters. Diana shares insights on how to wisely channel your ?genius energy,? break free from stuck patterns, and cultivate compassionate connections that support growth and balance.
“It’s not about doing more, but doing wisely.” – Dr. Diana Hill Time Stamps for Bonus – Harnessing “Genius Energy”: The Art of Wise Effort for Growth with Dr. Diana Hill (280)09:54 Distinguishing life force from anxiety
19:12 Channeling “genius energy” wisely
26:36 Recognizing stuck energy patterns
34:50 Compassion and common humanity
37:01 Co-regulation and wise-energy use
48:22 Harnessing “genius energy” for change
Diana Hill, Ph.D. is a modern psychologist, international trainer, and a leading expert on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and compassion. Drawing from the most current psychological research and contemplative practices, Diana bridges science with real-life application to help organizations and individuals develop psychological flexibility so that they can grow fulfilling and impactful lives. She is the host of the Wise Effort podcast and author of four books including Wise Effort: How to Focus Your Genius Energy on What Matters Most, I Know I Should Exercise, But?: 44 Reasons We Don?t Move and How to Get Over Them, The Self-Compassion Daily Journal, and ACT Daily Journal. She has been featured on NPR, Wall Street Journal, Psychology Today, and numerous other media channels. She lives in Santa Barbara, California.
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Where Entrepreneurship Meets Therapy with Benjamin Fry (279)
Benjamin Fry, a psychotherapist and founder of Khiron Clinics, joins Sue Marriott to discuss his personal experience with trauma and how it influenced his therapeutic work. He talks about building his clinic and exploring innovative approaches like EMDR and somatic experiencing, which led him to help develop the PhysioCam?a technology that allows clients to see their nervous system responses in real time. As mental health treatment continues to evolve with new technologies, Benjamin and Sue explore how education and better access to care can support healing and offer hope to those who need it.
“For many, the body is not a safe place to go to anymore, so they lose the valuable cues that come from these vital evolved pathways. The PhysioCam helps them recover it, like a pair of crutches help people with injuries to walk again” – Benjamin Fry Time Stamps for Where Entrepreneurship Meets Therapy: Introducing PhysioCam with Benjamin Fry (279)04:22 Benjamin’s personal journey and early life
13:26 Discussing trauma treatment in America
17:37 Establishing the clinic and innovative therapies
21:50 The necessary evolution of trauma treatment
38:51 Introducing PhysioCam: A new tool in therapy
49:15 The importance of psychoeducation
54:44 Khiron clinics and The Invisible Lion
Benjamin is the founder of Khiron Clinics, one of the world?s leading residential trauma-treatment centres, and Televagal, an innovative mental health technology platform. An accredited psychotherapist, couples therapist, speaker, author, and entrepreneur, he has written four books, including The Invisible Lion: How to Tame your Nervous System and Heal your Trauma. With a diverse career spanning psychology, media, and business, Benjamin read Physics and Philosophy at Oxford University and then did an MFA in Film Production at USC, directing a feature-length film distributed by HBO and Paramount. He later went on to set up various enterprises in the hospitality industry before completing an MA in Psychotherapy and Counselling at Regent?s College and an Executive MBA from Oxford University. His first book led to his role as the expert psychotherapist on the BBC series Spendaholics. Benjamin speaks at mental health conferences worldwide, raising awareness of the effectiveness of nervous system-based therapies for treating trauma. He also delivers workshops to help people optimize and heal their relationships through trauma-informe practices and education.
Resources for Where Entrepreneurship Meets Therapy: Introducing PhysioCam with Benjamin Fry (279)Khiron Clinics – Benjamin’s global trauma recovery center, information & resources
The Invisible Lion – Bejnamin’s recent book on taming your nervous system and healing trauma
Televagal – PhysioCam transforms your telehealth sessions into a powerful window into your client?s nervous system
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Bonus – Feel It to Heal It, Continued: Applying the Science of Interoception (278)
In this half of the conversation, Rebecca Kase and the Sue dig deeper into the concept of interoception, emphasizing its significance in therapy and personal well-being. They discuss how our physiological states influence our narratives and the importance of breath in regulating these states. From the roles of implicit and explicit memory in shaping our experiences to how adaptive and maladaptive memories affect our mental health, they highlight therapeutic approaches to updating narratives and the journey of healing and resilience, providing practical tools for therapists and resources for further learning.
?Stay curious? tune into the part of you that has the sense of knowing that something happened, even if you don?t have explicit declarative memory of it? your body remembers that.? ? Rebecca Kase, LCSW, RYT Time Stamps for Bonus – Feel It to Heal It, Continued: Applying the Science of Interoception (278)02:36 The role of breath in physiological state
08:11 The impact of context on physiological responses
10:46 Memory and its influence on our narratives
13:49 Exploring implicit and explicit memories
16:39 Adaptive vs. maladaptive memories
22:27 Therapeutic approaches to updating narratives
30:35 Resources for further learning
https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/feel-it-to-heal-it-the-science-of-interoception-with-rebecca-kase-274/
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Why Diets Don’t Work?and What to Do Instead with Judith Matz (277)
Dr. Ann Kelley and expert Judith Matz unpack the complex relationship between dieting, emotional eating, body image, and weight stigma. Together they challenge conventional views on weight and health, emphasizing that fitness matters more than the number on the scale, and explores why most diets fail both psychologically and physiologically. They also cover the historical roots of fatphobia, the dangers of weight bias in healthcare, and the rise of weight loss drugs like Ozempic. Judith highlights the importance of attuned eating, informed consent, and compassionate care, offering a weight-inclusive approach to healing our relationship with food and body.
“On an individual level, I’d like to see people become free from the diet/binge trap and instead find peace in their relationship with food and their body. On a cultural level, I’d like to see all of us stop putting out messages that blame and shame people about eating and body size.” – Judith Matz, LCSW, ACSW About our Guest – Judith Matz, LCSW, ACSWJudith Matz, LCSW, ACSW, is a therapist, nationally recognized speaker, and consultant on the topics of diet culture, binge eating, emotional eating, body image, and weight stigma. She is co-author of the new Emotional Eating, Chronic Dieting, Binge Eating and Body Image Workbook, as well as The Diet Survivor?s
Handbook, Beyond a Shadow of a Diet, The Making Peace with Food Card Deck, and The Body Positivity Card Deck. Judith offers continuing education and training for professionals through PESI as well as customized presentations for a variety companies and organizations. Judith?s work has been featured in the media including NPR, The New York Times, Good Housekeeping and Psychotherapy Networker. She has a private practice via telehealth in Illinois where she meets with clients seeking to heal their relationship with food and their bodies. Find her at www.judithmatz.com and on Instagram @judmatz
Judith Matz – Website, information and resources
Emotional Eating, Chronic Dieting, Bingeing and Body Image: What Every Clinician Needs to Know – Judith Matz’s full day PESI training
Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia – Book by Sabrina Strings recommend by Judith Matz
What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat – Book by Aubrey Gordon recommended by Judith Matz
Anti-Diet: Reclaim Your Time, Money, Well-Being, and Happiness Through Intuitive Eating – Book by Christy Harrison recommended by Judith Matz
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Bonus: Don?t Cancel – Connect: Loretta J. Ross on Activism with Heart (276)
In 2022, we had the privilege of having Loretta J. Ross on the podcast to discuss “Calling in the Call Out Culture”. With the publication of her new book, “Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You’d Rather Cancel” – we felt this message was just as relevant as ever. Together, Sue Marriott and Loretta J. Ross explore the themes of social justice, empathy, and the importance of dialogue in navigating political divides. Loretta shares insights from her book, discussing the need for compassion and under standing in activism. They delve into the complexities of human relationships, the balance between calling in and calling out, and the significance of individual experiences in shaping political views. The conversation emphasizes the power of community engagement and the role of personal growth in fostering a more just society.
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?I?m not trying to build a bigger call-out culture. I?m trying to build a human rights movement that includes everybody?even the people we don?t like.” – Loretta J. Ross About our Guest – Loretta J. RossLoretta J. Ross is an activist, professor, and public intellectual. In her five decades in the human rights movement, she?s deprogramed white supremacists, taught convicted rapists the principles of feminism, and, as National Co-Director, organized the second-largest march on Washington (in April 25, 2004, March for Women?s Lives in Washington D.C., surpassed in size only by the 2017 Women?s March). A cofounder of the National Center for Human Rights Education and the SisterSong Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective, her many accolades and honors include a 2022 MacArthur Fellowship and a 2024 induction into the National Women?s Hall of Fame. Today, Ross is an associate professor at Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts, and is the founder of LoRossta Consulting, with which she runs ?Calling In? training sessions online and for organizations around the country.
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Beyond the High Road: New Perspectives on Discussing Race and Privilege with Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy (275)
In this powerful conversation, one of the most influential voices on racial justice and family therapy, Dr. Kenneth Hardy talks with Dr. Ann Kelley about the VCR Method (Validate, Challenge, Request) for navigating difficult conversations without retreating into silence or conflict. Hardy reveals how White-bodied folks and People of Color/Culture (POC) can move beyond either/or thinking by recognizing their multiple selves – the parts that hold privilege and the parts that experience subjugation – no matter who you are.
Key insights include Hardy’s concept of “invisible wounds” – the unnamed racial trauma that affects people of color daily – and why the expectation for Black people to “take the high road” actually perpetuates harm. Through a real example from a heated workshop exchange with a white student, Hardy demonstrates the VCR approach in action, showing how validation, strategic challenge, and clear requests can keep us connected through rupture rather than defaulting to our most activated, subjugated responses.
This episode offers practical tools for therapists and anyone seeking more authentic, healing-centered conversations about difference in general and particularly, race and privilege. Hardy’s framework challenges us to develop both a racial lens and a clear sense of our racial selves, moving from fragility toward the courage to stay in relationship even when conversations get difficult.
“We all have two dimensions of ourselves- a preferred racial view and a dreaded one.” Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy ?Racial oppression is a traumatic form of interpersonal violence which can lacerate the spirit, scar the soul, and puncture the psyche.? – Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy Timestamps for Beyond the High Road: New Perspectives on Discussing Race and Privilege with Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy (275)05:13 Invisible wounds and racial trauma
07:40 The importance of naming and acknowledgment
15:38 Developing a racial lens as a therapist
18:16 The complexity of privilege and subjugation
23:50 Case Study: A white woman’s reaction to privilege
26:48 The intersection of class and race
40:14 The VCR Model: Engaging conversations on race
45:39 Compassionate accountability in conversations
51:13 Hope amidst DEI challenges
Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy is a Clinical and Organizational Consultant at the Eikenberg Institute for Relationships in Newark, DE, where he also serves as Director. He is also the Founder and President of the Eikenberg Academy for Social Justice. He provides Racially Focused Trauma Informed training, executive coaching, and consultation to a diverse network of individuals and organizations throughout the United States and abroad. He is a former Professor of Family Therapy at both Drexel University in Philadelphia, and Syracuse University in New York, and has also served as the Director of Children, Families, and Trauma at the Ackerman Institute for the Family in New York, NY.
Resources for Healing the Invisible Wounds of Racism with Dr. Kenneth V. HardyEikenberg Academy for Social Justice – President Kenneth V. Hardy, website and resources
“On Becoming a Racially Sensitive Therapist: Race and Clinical Practice” – Book by Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy
“Racial Trauma Clinical Strategies and Techniques for Healing Invisible Wounds” – Book by Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy
“The Enduring, Invisible, and Ubiquitous Centrality of Whiteness” – Book by Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy
“Some subtleties of whiteness in the workplace: Steps for shifting the paradigm” – Journal by Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy
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Feel It to Heal It: The Science of Interoception with Rebecca Kase (274)
Sue Marriott is joined by Rebecca Kase to explore how understanding the nervous system?especially the concept of interoception?can support healing from trauma. Rebecca shares her personal story as a survivor and highlights the importance of creating safety, tuning into the body?s internal signals, and approaching somatic work with compassion. Together, they unpack how interoception differs from general perception, why it matters in therapy, and how small, gradual steps can help rebuild connection with the body.
?Stay curious? tune into the part of you that has the sense of knowing that something happened, even if you don?t have explicit declarative memory of it? your body remembers that.? – Rebecca Kase, LCSW, RYT Time Stamps for Feel It to Heal It: The Science of Interoception with Rebecca Kase (274)02:45 Rebecca’s journey and healing
05:17 Understanding safety and the nervous system
08:15 Exploring interoception
10:46 The role of perception in therapy
13:33 Connecting with the body
16:15 Practical steps for body awareness
Rebecca Kase, LCSW, RYT is a licensed clinical social worker, yoga teacher, author, and nationally recognized expert in trauma therapy. She?s the founder of The Trauma Therapist Institute, where she trains thousands of clinicians each year in EMDR, Polyvagal Theory, and integrative mind-body approaches to healing. Rebecca is the author of Polyvagal-Informed EMDR and self-help book The Polyvagal Solution, which helps readers understand and work with their nervous system to create lasting change. Known for her warmth, clarity, and deep clinical insight, Rebecca brings science to life in a way that?s accessible, empowering, and rooted in real-world healing. When she?s not writing, teaching, or speaking, you can find her nerding out on neuroscience, gardening, or daydreaming about her next horse property.
Resources for Feel It to Heal It: The Science of Interoception with Rebecca Kase (274)The Polyvagal Solution: Vagus Nerve-Calming Practices to Soothe Stress, Ease Emotional Overwhelm, and Build Resilience – Book by Rebecca Kase
Polyvagal-Informed EMDR: A Neuro-Informed Approach to Healing – Book by Rebecca Kase
The Applied Polyvagal Theory Flip Chart – A Psychoeducational tool to harness the power of the vagus nerve
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That “Fraud” Feeling: The Surprising Truth About Imposter Syndrome with Dr. Jill Stoddard (273)
Dr. Ann Kelley is joined by Dr. Jill Stoddard as they unpack the complexities of imposter syndrome?why it shows up, who it impacts most, and how to move through it. Drawing on her expertise in psychological flexibility and values-based living, Dr. Stoddard shares strategies to navigate self-doubt, marginalization, and internalized insecurity. Learn how to reframe discomfort, build a healthier relationship with vulnerability, and use these moments as powerful opportunities for connection and growth.
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?Imposter ?syndrome? is not your fault. It?s the result of a system telling you – you don?t belong at the table.? – Dr. Jill Stoddard About our Guest – Dr. Jill StoddardDr. Jill Stoddard is passionate about sharing her expertise in psychology to help people flourish in their work and health. She is an international and TEDx speaker, award-winning former professor, three-time book author, licensed psychologist, coach, and co-host of the Psychologists Off the Clock podcast which is ranked in the top .5% worldwide. Dr. Stoddard is an entrepreneur who founded Flexible Communications, LLC, in Massachusetts, and The Center for Stress and Anxiety Management in California. Her books have been translated into twelve languages and include: The Big Book of ACT Metaphors; Be Mighty; and Imposter No More. Her thoughts have also appeared in the Washington Post, New York Times, Woman?s World, Today.com, Psychology Today, Scary Mommy, Thrive Global, The Good Men Project, Mindful Return, The Boston Globe, and more. She regularly appears on podcasts and as an expert source for various media outlets. She lives in Newburyport, MA with her husband, two kids, and disobedient French Bulldog.
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From Zimbabwe to New York City, Expanding Quality Mental Health Access – the Friendship Bench with Dr. Dixon Chibanda (272)
Sue Marriott continues practical exploration of liberation psychology and communty-centered care by learning from Zimbabwe-based psychiatrist, Dr. Dixon Chibanda. Don’t miss the first episode about this research based program. Dr. Chibanda shares his powerful story behind the Friendship Bench, a community-based mental health model that centers healing in the heart of local communities and his new book, launching this week!
They explores how grandmothers (not youth or grandfather’s so much – find out why) are often overlooked in traditional mental health systems. Tapping them they can play a vital role in offering care, connection, and wisdom.Dr. Chibanda discusses the barriers to accessing mental health services, the role of storytelling in the healing process, and the global expansion of their research-based program, the Friendship Bench.
Grounded in research and lived experience, this conversation invites a rethinking of care?away from over-medicalization and toward more accessible, human-centered approaches.
“Every one of us carries a powerful seed that is meant to grow and be shared for the betterment of our community and the world” – Dr. Dixon Chibanda Time Stamps for Indigenous Mental Health, the Friendship Bench with Dr. Dixon Chibanda (271)02:34 The role of community elders in mental health
05:16 The Friendship Bench: A community-based mental health solution
10:14 The impact of storytelling on healing
13:18 Replication of the friendship bench model globally
18:43 Challenges and obstacles in implementation
32:11 The impact of the friendship bench in urban settings
48:44 Vision for future mental health initiatives
Dixon Chibanda is a leader in the global conversation to democratize mental health care. He is a professor of psychiatry, published researcher, author, advocate, public speaker, and the found of Friendship Bench. He has been featured on the Financial Times, PBS NewsHour Brief But Spectacular episode, Positive News, and has written about his work for The Guardian, LA Times, Project Syndicate and has spoken to audiences at the World Economic Forum, Skoll World Forum, World Health Assembly, the Aspen Ideas Festival, and the TEDWomen conference. As a practising medical doctor, professor of psychiatry & global mental health at the University of Zimbabwe and The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Dixon has explored the intersection of indigenous knowledge and western models of care to develop sustainable interventions in global health. His TED talk on why he trains grandmothers to treat depression describes the journey of the Friendship Bench. Over 100 peer-reviewed scientific publications of the program are accessible online. He has been for over a decade a key player in bringing the various stakeholders from local health authorities, health professionals, national and international researchers, and donors together to form successful collaborations.
Resources for Where Grandmas & Healing Meet: The Friendship Bench with Dr. Dixon Chibanda (271)The Friendship Bench: How Fourteen Grandmothers Inspired a Mental Health Revolution – Get your copy here!
Dixon’s website – Website, resources & information
The Friendship Bench – Website, information & resources
Friendship Bench Youtube Channel – Videos and other content
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What is Real Allyship When it Comes to White Women and Racial Trauma with Dr. Monnica Williams (271)
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Dr. Monnica Williams teaches Sue Marriott as they explore the deep psychological toll of racism, focusing on the concept of racial trauma and its cumulative impact on people of color. She highlights the importance of recognizing these experiences within therapeutic settings and the need for diversity in mental health research and practice. The discussion delves into the role of civil courage and meaningful allyship?particularly among white individuals in addressing systemic injustice. Dr. Williams offers insights into the multifaceted nature of activism, the harm caused by microaggressions, and the emotional labor involved in navigating everyday racism. From the fear of law enforcement to the unique challenges faced by white women in activism, Dr. Williams urges practitioners and allies alike to listen deeply, receive feedback openly, and use their privilege to support marginalized communities.
“…we’ve looked at the different symptoms of racial trauma, and for the most part, it’s pretty hard to tell the difference between that and PTSD… all those same symptoms are present in people who have racial trauma as well.” – Dr. Monnica Williams Time Stamps for What is Real Allyship When it Comes to White Women and Racial Trauma with Dr. Monnica Williams (271)05:53 Understanding racial trauma
12:04 The role of white privilege in racism
14:58 The intersection of psychedelics and mental health
18:01 Research on racial trauma treatment
24:01 Therapeutic approaches to racial trauma
34:13 Understanding microaggressions in conversations
36:08 Fear and empowerment: The impact of law enforcement
40:50 The role of white allies in advocacy
46:57 The challenges of white women in activism
52:01 Receiving feedback: A guide for allies
Dr. Monnica T. Williams is a board-certified licensed clinical psychologist and Professor at the University of Ottawa, in the School of Psychology, where she is the Canada Research Chair in Mental Health Disparities. She is also the Clinical Director of the Behavioral Wellness Clinics in Connecticut and Ottawa, where she provides supervision and training to clinicians for empirically-supported treatments. Prior to her move to Canada, Dr. Williams was on the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School (2007-2011), the University of Louisville in Psychological and Brain Sciences (2011-2016), where she served as the Director of the Center for Mental Health Disparities, and the University of Connecticut (2016-2019) where she had appointments in both Psychological Science and Psychiatry. Dr. Williams research focuses on BIPOC mental health, culture, and psychopathology, and she has published over 200 scientific articles on these topics. Current projects include the treatment of racial trauma, improving cultural competence in the delivery of mental health care services, and addressing structural racism. She gives diversity trainings nationally for academic programs, scientific conferences, and organizations.Through the Kentucky Psychological Association (KPA), Dr. Williams served as the diversity delegate to Washington DC for the American Psychological Association (APA) State Leadership Conference for two consecutive years. She has served as the African American SIG leader for Association of Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies (ABCT), and recently served as Chair of their Academic Training & Education Standards (ATES) Committee. She serves as an Associate Editor of Behavior Therapy and the Behavior Therapist. She also serves on the editorial board of Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, Canadian Psychology, International Journal of Mental Health, the Journal of Obsessive Compulsive and Related Disorders and the Cognitive Behavioural Therapist. She is a member of the Scientific Advisory Board of the International OCD Foundation, and co-founded their Diversity Council. Her work has been featured in all major US and Canadian media outlets, including NPR, CBS, CTV, CBC, Huffington Post, and the New York Times.
Resources for What is Real Allyship When it Comes to White Women and Racial Trauma with Dr. Monnica Williams (271)A Clinician’s Guide to Healing the Wounds of Racial Trauma: A 12-Session CBT-Based Protocol – Dr. William’s book
Treating Racial Trauma – Dr. William’s online course
MonnicaWilliams.com – Website, information & resources
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Bonus – Amplify Your Voice: Reflections on Mental Health & Meaningful Practice (270)
Ann Kelley and Sue Marriott are back for a one on one episode, and sharing their personal reflections on mental health, community, and the evolving challenges clinicians face today. From the tension between accessibility and sustainability in therapy, to the influence of corporate models – they discuss the need for creativity in the field. Emphasizing connection, curiosity, and professional growth, they introduce exciting opportunities, updates, and even a new series focused on inclusivity – inviting listeners to find and amplify their unique voice in the mental health space.
Time Stamps for Bonus – Amplify Your Voice: Reflections on Mental Health & Meaningful Practice (270)06:06 Challenges in mental health care accessibility
08:47 The impact of corporations on therapy
15:02 Encouraging creativity and individual impact
21:49 Listening to your inner self
27:01 Introducing our new series
31:53 Feedback and future directions
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Smartphones: The Truth About Their Impact on Mental Health with Dr. Jean Twenge (269)
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“Only smartphones and social media can explain why teen depression and loneliness increased internationally after 2010.”Dr. Ann Kelley is joined by Dr. Jean Twenge to discuss her groundbreaking research on generational differences with a focus on how technology?especially smartphones and social media?has transformed communication, relationships, and mental health. They explore how historical shifts and longer life spans contribute to delayed life milestones and what she calls the “slow life strategy.” Dr. Twenge highlights the alarming rise in anxiety and depression among Generation Z, which is closely linked to increased screen time and reduced face-to-face interactions. Together they discuss practical steps parents can take to support healthier development and social connection.
“Technology and individualism worked together to form a generation whose needs and wants would change dramatically over their lifetimes but who would always be guided by the idea of placing one?s own views and choices first?a concept that led to both greater acceptance of others and more self-centeredness.” – Dr. Jean Twenge Time Stamps for Smartphones: The Truth About Their Impact on Mental Health with Dr. Jean Twenge (269)3:03 The slow life strategy and relationship dynamics
5:54 Mental health trends in generation Z
8:55 The role of smartphones and social media
11:59 Understanding the psychological effects of constant connectivity
14:55 Recommendations for parents and policy makers
18:09 What alarm bells are accurate
Jean M. Twenge, Professor of Psychology at San Diego State University, is the author of more than 180 scientific publications and seven books, including Generations: The Real Differences between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and Silents?and What They Mean for America?s Future and iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy–and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood. She holds a BA and MA from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. from the University of Michigan. She writes the Generation Tech substack.
Resources for Mental Health in the Age of Screens: Dr. Jean Twenge on Generational Change (269)“Here are 13 other explanations for the adolescent mental health crisis. None of them work.” – Substack by Dr. Jean Twenge
Dr. Jean Twenge – Website, information & resources
“Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silents-and What They Mean for America’s Future” – Book by Dr. Jean Twenge referenced throughout the episode
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Facing Death, Finding Life: Conscious Dying with Dr. Aditi Sethi (268)
Dr. Aditi Sethi, the founder of the Center for Conscious Living and Dying, shares her profound journey into the realm of death and dying. She discusses the importance of presence, the healing power of music, and challenges faced in community-based end-of-life care. Alongside Sue Marriott, they explore the profound themes surrounding death and dying, emphasizing the importance of embracing death to enhance life. From concepts like ecstatic dying to the role of psychedelics in alleviating fear of death, Aditi shares insights from her experiences as a death doula.
“When I think about the great equalizer that is death – that spares no one – I see our shared humanity in those moments.” – Aditi Sethi Time Stamps for Facing Death, Finding Life: Conscious Dying with Dr. Aditi Sethi (268)6:06 The role of presence in end-of-life care
18:11 Training volunteers for end-of-life care
25:21 Challenges in community-based care
32:01 Ecstatic dying: Transformative experiences at the end of life
38:03 Conscious dying: Preparing for the inevitable
45:20 The gifts of death: Transformative moments
Aditi Sethi, MD, is a hospice and palliative care physician, end-of-life doula, and the Founder and Executive Director of the Center for Conscious Living & Dying. She is dedicated to bridging the sacred and practical aspects of living and dying, offering compassionate, community-supported care that honors the dignity and interconnectedness of all beings. Featured in the forthcoming film The Last Ecstatic Days, Aditi is emerging as an integral voice or transforming our cultural understanding of dying, death, and bereavement care. Her recent TEDx talk in Asheville, NC, titled “The Art of Dying Before You Die”, reflects her passion for inspiring a holistic and sacred approach to the end-of-life journey. Her work is inspired by her Indian heritage, spiritual practices, and love for music as a tool for healing and transformation.
Resources for Facing Death, Finding Life: Conscious Dying with Dr. Aditi Sethi (268)The Art of Dying – Aditi Seth’s Ted Talk
The Last Ecstatic Days – Documentary featuring Dr. Sethi
aditimusic.com – Aditi’s music website and information
aditisethimd.com – Aditi’s website and resources
Report on the Lancet Commission on the Value of Death: bringing death back into life – Paper recommend by Dr. Sethi
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Bonus – The 9 Personality Patterns and the Enneagram with Dr. Dan Siegel (267)
Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, Dr. Dan Siegel explores how loss, vulnerability, and connection shape personal growth and healing. He discusses the science of attachment and personality, highlighting nine adaptive patterns that emerge from non-secure attachment and how it relates to the Enneagram. The conversation also explores how neuroscience sheds light on emotional needs, alongside Siegel?s personal reflections on his own attachment history and path as a professional. Together they unpack how neuroscience, motivation, and community impact therapy. The episode offers practical insights for clinicians, emphasizing a compassionate, non-shaming approach to mental health and the journey toward secure attachment and the feeling of wholeness.
“It’s ultimately a lifelong journey toward wholeness.” – Dr. Dan Siegel Time Stamps for Bonus – The 9 Personality Patterns and the Enneagram with Dr. Dan Siegel (267)02:59 The impact of loss on personal growth
05:47 Teaching and vulnerability in professional settings
15:13 Exploring developmental pathways and personality
20:57 Addressing societal challenges through mental health
24:07 The science of personality and attachment
41:56 Non-Secure attachments and personality patterns
46:35 The nine personality patterns
01:14:44 Exploring motivation in therapy
01:17:50 The intersection of neuroscience and personality
01:24:34 Understanding temperament and adaptive strategies
01:27:30 Growth edge work in therapy
Dr. Dan Siegel is the Founder and Director of Education of the Mindsight Institute and founding co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, where he was also Co-Principal Investigator of the Center for Culture, Brain and Development and Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the School of Medicine. An award-winning educator, Dan is the author of five New York Times bestsellers and over fifteen other books which have been translated into over forty languages. As the founding editor of the Norton Professional Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology (?IPNB?), Dan has overseen the publication of one hundred books in the transdisciplinary IPNB framework which focuses on the mind and mental health. A graduate of Harvard Medical School, Dan completed his postgraduate training at UCLA specializing in pediatrics, and adult, adolescent, and child psychiatry. He was trained in attachment research and narrative analysis through a National Institute of Mental Health research training fellowship focusing on how relationships shape our autobiographical ways of making sense of our lives and influence our development across the lifespan.
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Disordered Eating: Attachment, Intuition & Cultural Influence with Dr. Vanessa Scaringi and Kathryn Garland(266)
Dr. Vanessa Scaringi and Kathryn Garland talk about the complexities of disordered eating and body image, especially in light of cultural pressures and the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore the differences between disordered eating and eating disorders, and also discuss how medications like GLP-1 affect eating habits. The conversation touches on how society promotes unhealthy body standards and behaviors, and how our emotional relationship with food is often overlooked. Highlighting the role of attachment styles in shaping eating patterns, they stress the importance of intuitive eating?especially when parenting. Follow along as they offer practical tips for developing a healthier relationship with food and explore therapeutic methods that support recovery.
“There is this chaotic experience of food in our culture…sometimes we’re turning to food to cope and then other times we’re saying, ‘no, that’s bad’… It puts us in a disorganized state of constantly cycling through what are my needs and how do I get them met?” – Kathryn Garland Time Stamps for Disordered Eating: Attachment, Intuition & Cultural Influence (268)06:01 The impact of COVID-19 on eating behaviors
10:13 The role of GLP-1 medications in eating behaviors
14:05 Body image messages and cultural pressures
33:53 Understanding disordered eating vs. normal eating
36:02 Intuitive eating and parenting strategies
45:59 Practical steps for intuitive eating
53:58 Therapeutic approaches to eating disorders
Vanessa Scaringi, PhD, CEDS-C, is a licensed psychologist in Austin, TX. Vanessa co-owns a group therapy practice called, CALM Counseling where she works with adolescents, young adults, and adult populations. Vanessa has dedicated much of her career to working in the eating disorder field. She is a relational psychologist who strives to understand the context of one?s eating disorder. By facilitating insight, Vanessa works with her clients to identify patterns and behaviors that interfere with living the life they want. She strives to instill a sense of hope, as she has found this is an important part of the change process. Vanessa also runs interpersonal process groups where clients can heal in community with others.
Kathryn Garland, LCSW-S, CEDS-C is a licensed clinical social worker and supervisor in Texas, New York, and Massachusetts. She is an IAEDP approved Certified Eating Disorder Specialist and Consultant. Kathryn spent her early career and completed postgraduate training in psychoanalytic psychotherapy in New York City. She incorporates relational and attachment-based methods into her work with clients. Her experience includes working with LGBTQ+ teens in the NYC foster care system, community mental health clinics, as well as primary therapist and IOP Program Coordinator at an eating disorder treatment center. Kathryn co-owns CALM Counseling in Austin, Texas with Vanessa.
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Gender Fluid Identities & Creative Expression with Quentin Arispe (265)
Quentin Arispe joins Sue Marriott as they share their incredible journey of self-discovery. Exploring themes of gender fluidity, the impact of theater on personal growth, and the balance between masculinity and femininity – they discuss the role of grief in creative expression. Their conversation highlights the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in the creative process, as well as the transformative journey of humanizing the queer experience through art.
“I think everybody can obtain both their divine masculine and feminine.” – Quentin Arispe Time Stamps for The Fluidity of Gender Identity with Quentin Arispe (265)05:50 The impact of theater on Quentin’s personal growth
17:47 Understanding divine masculine and feminine
21:45 The dichotomy of performance and authenticity
26:07 The role of grief in creative expression
42:07 Embracing duality in grief and joy
56:00 Exploring identity through music
01:17:05 Humanizing the queer experience
Quentin Arispe is a versatile musician whose genre-blending sound is both innovative and deeply personal. Quentin explores themes of duality, freedom, and self-expression, challenging societal norms while celebrating authenticity and vulnerability. Featured in Austin Chronicle and performing at venues like The Bitter End in NYC, Quentin has also appeared at festivals such as SXSW and ACL. With influences spanning soul, R&B, indie pop, and pop icons, Quentin continues to leave a lasting mark on music. In 2024, Quentin released “As Above, So Below”, a two-part EP series that transitions from introspective indie rock to house-inspired tracks, exploring grief, healing, and liberation.
Resources for The Fluidity of Gender Identity with Quentin Arispe (265)“as above,SO BELOW” – Flim by Quentin Arispe
“Genre-Hopping Hustler Quentin Arispe Wants to Be in Every Room” – Article from the Austin Chronicle
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Bonus – Disarming the Narcissist: Myths, Truths & Strategies for Healing with Wendy Behary (264)
Dr. Ann Kelley and narcissism expert, Wendy Behary, explore the complexities of narcissistic behavior, its development, and the challenges faced by those experiencing relationships with narcissists. Follow along as they dive into the myths, the spectrum of narcissistic traits, and the importance of understanding the underlying insecurities that drive behavior. Behary touches on the cultural implications and how it manifests in society today, as well as practical strategies for individuals to navigate relationships, highlighting the significance of maintaining one’s own mental health and well-being.
?Narcissism occurs along a spectrum within the human condition. Embodied in human nature itself is a tendency for narcissistic expression… and that isn?t all bad.? – Wendy Behary About our Guest – Wendy BeharyWith 30 years of professional experience and advanced level certifications, Wendy Behary is the founder and director of The Cognitive Therapy Center of New Jersey and The Schema Therapy Institutes of NJ-NYC-DC. She has been treating clients, training professionals and supervising psychotherapists for more than 20 years. Wendy was on the faculty of the Cognitive Therapy Center and Schema Therapy Institute of New York (until the Institutes merged in 2012), where she trained and worked with Dr. Jeffrey Young since 1989. She is a founding fellow and consulting supervisor for The Academy of Cognitive Therapy (Aaron T. Beck?s Institute). Wendy served as the President of the Executive Board of the International Society of Schema Therapy (ISST) from 2010-2014 and served as the Training and Certification Coordinator for the ISST Executive Board from 2008-2010. Wendy Behary has co-authored several chapters and articles on Schema Therapy and Cognitive Therapy. She is the author of an international bestselling book, “Disarming the Narcissist…? translated in 16 languages. The Third Edition was recently released and was selected by Oprah Daily as one of the top books on the subject of Narcissism. Wendy has a specialty in treating narcissists and the people who live with and deal with them. As an author and subject matter expert on narcissism, she is a contributing chapter author of several chapters on schema therapy for narcissism for professional readers. She lectures both nationally and internationally to professional and general audiences on schema therapy, narcissism, interpersonal relationships, anger, and dealing with difficult people. She receives consistent high praise for her clear and articulate teaching style and her ability to bring the therapy to life through dramatic demonstrations of client interactions in the treatment room. Her work industry business speaking engagements focus on interpersonal conflict resolution. Her private practice is primarily devoted to treating narcissists, partners/people dealing with them, and couples experiencing relationship problems.
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Neuroception and the Evolution of Human Spirit with Kim Barthel (263)
In this conversation, Dr. Ann Kelley and Occupational Therapist Kim Barthel explore the conscious evolution of the human spirit, the importance of self-compassion, and the integration of neuroception with therapeutic practices. Through Barthel’s book, ‘Conversations with a Rattlesnake,’ they dive into the significance of sensory integration and attachment in personal development. Using Porges’ “Safe and Sound Protocol”, they touch on how understanding one’s own nervous system and the cues of safety can lead to better emotional regulation and connection with not only oneself, but others. Follow along as they discuss the themes of trauma, healing and the science of connection.
“Self-compassion is part of the evolution.” – Kim Barthel Time Stamps for Neuroception and the Safe & Sound Protocol with Kim Barthel (263)05:32 Conversations with a rattlesnake: A journey through trauma
19:57 Understanding sensory integration and attachment
33:35 Understanding neuroception and safety
34:30 The role of sound in safety cues
42:06 The mechanism of the safe and sound protocol
55:17 The process of connection and regulation
Kim Barthel is an occupational therapist, speaker, multi-disciplinary teacher, mentor and best-selling author who is active in supporting people in many contexts globally. She is passionate about understanding complex behavior, neurobiology, trauma-sensitive practice, sensory processing, attachment, and mental health. An advanced NDT (Neuro-Developmental Treatment) instructor, Kim has 40+ years of practice in helping people to be their best selves. She is a contributor to a number of textbooks on Pediatric Occupational Therapy, NDT, and Trauma, and in 2019 Kim was honored to receive the Award of Merit from the Canadian Association of Occupational Therapy. Kim?s overall mission is to support the conscious evolution of the human spirit.
Resources for Neuroception and the Safe & Sound Protocol with Kim Barthel (263)Conversations with a Rattlesnake: Raw and Honest Reflections on Healing and Trauma – Book by Kim Barthel and Theo Fleury
Kim’s website – Resources and information
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How Modern Attachment Meets Polyvagal Theory with Dr. Stephen Porges (262)
Ann and Sue share a special conversation with Dr. Stephen Porges where they explore how modern attachment meets Polyvagal theory. From the evolution of attachment theory to understanding bodily states and how they influence our interactions, they dive into the intricate relationships between emotional expression, brain function, and therapeutic techniques. Together they explore the Safe and Sound Protocol and its role in promoting engagement as well as insights into the application of these techniques both professionally and personally.
?If you want to improve the world, start by making people feel safer.? – Dr. Stephen Porges Time Stamps for How Modern Attachment Meets Polyvagal Theory06:53 The evolution of attachment theory
21:07 Broadcasting our states in relationships
28:16 Understanding vocal tone and emotional expression
39:31 The role of safe and sound protocol in therapy
43:52 Accessing regulated states through listening therapies
47:31 Exploring the ventral-vagal connection
50:21 Applications of SSP in mental and physical health
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Bonus – Taking Sexy Back: A Journey to Empowerment with Dr. Alexandra Solomon (261)
Dr. Ann Kelley and Dr. Alexandra Solomon discuss her book ‘Taking Sexy Back,’ exploring the intersection of gender and sexuality, the impact of societal messages on women’s sexual experiences, and the importance of self-advocacy in relationships. They dive into the complexities of desire, body image, and the influence of patriarchy on both men and women – emphasizing the need for emotional awareness and connection in intimate relationships. Explore the evolving landscape of sexuality across generations and the impact of online dating and pornography on sexual experiences.
“We are taught to serve, to focus on others, but we need to notice our own feelings.” – Dr. Alexandra Solomon Time Stamps for Taking Sexy Back: A Journey to Empowerment with Dr. Alexandra Solomon (261)02:47 The intersection of gender and sexuality
11:52 Impact of body image on desire
14:52 Patriarchy’s influence on men and women
17:55 Emotional complexity in masculinity
28:05 The impact of pornography on sexual experiences
36:45 Embodiment and mindfulness in sexuality
41:50 Exploring pleasure and connection in relationships
Alexandra H. Solomon, PhD, is internationally recognized as one of today?s most trusted voices in the world of relationships, and her framework of Relational Self-Awareness has reached millions of people around the globe. A couple therapist, speaker, author, professor, podcast host, and media personality, Dr. Alexandra is passionate about translating cutting-edge research and clinical wisdom into practical tools people can use to bring awareness, curiosity, and authenticity to their relationships. She is a clinician educator and a frequent contributor to academic journals and research, and she translates her academic and therapeutic experience to the public through her popular and vibrant Instagram page, which has garnered over 200K followers. She is an adjunct professor in the School of Education and Social Policy at Northwestern University and is a licensed clinical psychologist in private practice. Her hit podcast, Reimagining Love, has reached listeners across the globe and features high-profile guests from the worlds of therapy, academia, and pop culture. She is the award-winning author of Taking Sexy Back: How to Own Your Sexuality and Create the Relationships You Want, Loving Bravely: 20 Lessons of Self-Discovery to Help You Get the Love You Want, and Love Every Day: 365 Relational Self-Awareness Practices to Help Your Relationship Heal, Grow, and Thrive.
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Beyond Sex: Understanding Desire with Shadeen Francis (260)
Dr. Ann Kelley and Shadeen Francis, LMFT unpack the intricate nature of desire, extending beyond just the sexual realm. They unpack the challenges in identifying true desires, the role of embodiment in self-awareness, and the key distinction between wanting and liking. Together they discuss intimacy, self-discovery and communication – with an emphasis on the need for negotiation and authentic connection in sexual experiences.
“The simplest of all luxuries is the freedom to pursue your pleasure.” – Shadeen Francis Time Stamps for Beyond Sex: Understanding Desire05:15 The challenge of identifying desire
17:58 The nuances of wanting vs. liking
25:01 Desire in sexual contexts
35:07 Negotiating wants in relationships
44:41 The impact of technology on desire
56:30 Desire as a tool for liberation
Shadeen Francis is a licensed marriage and family psychotherapist and a board-certified sex therapist. Her expertise spans the domains of mental health, emotional intelligence, and the intersection of sexual wellness and social justice. A sought-after voice in her field, Shadeen has been featured on major networks including ABC, NBC, and CBS, and has been the subject matter expert for prominent brands such as Essence, Bumble, Tinder, and Teen Vogue. Shadeen’s work extends beyond the therapy room, influencing nationally implemented curricula, global media strategies, and public health policies. Known for her signature brand of warmth and humor, Shadeen?s work is inspired by her commitment to helping people live lives full of peace and pleasure.
Resources for Beyond Sex: Understanding Desireshadeenfrancis.com – Shadeen’s website, resources, and other information
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Pleasurable Sex, Gender Queerness & Life Burnout with Dr. Emily Nagoski (259)
Dr. Emily Nagoski joins co-host Sue Marriott for a deep and insightful conversation about desire, pleasure, and the impact of societal norms on sexuality. Together they explore the evolving landscape of trans rights and healthcare, emphasizing patient-centered care and the urgent need for societal support. Through her journey as a sex educator, Nagoski advocates for deeper understanding and connection, while also sharing practical approaches to educating young people about gender and sexuality, managing stress, and finding meaning and purpose in life.
“Talking about sex is my absolute favorite thing.” – Dr. Emily Nagoski Time Stamps for Pleasurable Sex, Gender & Boundaries (259)01:02 The intersection of sex, boundaries, and burnout
08:04 The importance of pleasure over desire
11:48 Creating a safe and supportive context for pleasure
20:07 Challenging the gender binary
31:50 The evolution of trans rights and healthcare
37:40 Tactical approaches to gender education
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Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle – Book by Dr. Emily Nagoski & Amelia Nagoski
Feminist Survival Project – Her current podcast with co-host Amelia Nagoski
Come As You Are – (Limited Series, 2022) – Podcast
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Bonus – Disorganized / Unresolved Attachment with Dr. Krista Jordan (258)
Dr. Krista Jordan & co-host Sue Marriott LCSW CGP dive into the messy, fascinating world of the 4th attachment category – disorganized attachment. Through intimate personal stories, they describe how it shows up in therapy, relationships, and everyday life. They explore the Adult Attachment Projective (AAP) and Adult Attachment Interview (AAI), unpacking what is sometimes called disorganized, unresolved, dysregulated, dissociated attachment that can ripple through generations.
Learn how dismissive strategies work so well they can stop us from growing, why feedback (and a little distress) is crucial for self-awareness, and how shame and anger are often two sides of the same coin.
Time Stamps06:05 Personal experiences with attachment styles and finding our she was “disorganized”
11:59 Exploring dismissive and disorganized strategies
17:58 Therapeutic approaches to unresolved trauma and inner child work
27:08 Dissociation and adaptive strategies in attachment
35:31 The spectrum of unresolved attachment styles
43:09 Shame and anger: A complex relationship
52:42 PACT Therapy: Addressing disorganization in couples
Dr. Krista Jordan, expert on Disorganized Attachment
Dr. Jordan received her PhD in Clinical Psychology from UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas in 1996. Her training included children and adults and focused on psychodynamic theory in treatment. She went on to establish a private practice in Austin, Texas in 1998 and has been treating clients through individual and couples therapy for the past 26 years. Dr. Jordan trained with Dr. Stan Tatkin, the originator of the Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy from 2008 until 2022 and is a
Certified PACT therapist. Dr. Jordan was also appointed to the Research Faculty at the PACT Institute in 2023 and is the Principle Investigator of the first outcome study being conducted on PACT. She is passionate about treating individuals and couples from an attachment and interpersonal neurobiology approach as well as contributing to research in the field. Throughout her career she has applied these interests in a variety of contexts, including training post-doctoral residents (25 to date!), designing and running outcomes studies for various treatment programs and teaching both high school, undergraduate and graduate students. In 2024 Dr. Jordan became certified to administer the Adult Attachment Projective and continues to train with Dr. Carol George. In her free time Dr. Jordan enjoys hanging out with her husband Russell (of 26 years!) and their two children. She also volunteers with the Blanton Museum and acts as a foster dog mom for Austin Pets Alive.
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The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257)
We?re kicking off February with a powerful conversation with the incredible Pam Benson Owens. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore what it means to live with purpose, navigate systemic challenges, and find liberation in everyday choices. Pam shares her wisdom on the role of self-care in activism, the courage it takes to engage in difficult conversations, and how fear shows up in DEI work. This episode dives deep into the intersection of personal and organizational growth, touching on themes of vulnerability, belonging, and the evolving landscape of diversity and identity. Sue and Pam also tackle honest conversations about race and privilege, the ?messy middle? of personal transformation, and why pacing yourself is essential for long-term impact.
“Liberation is a lot of things… sometimes it is my ability not to raise my voice in anger, some days liberation is saying no. Sometimes liberation is the freedom to realize that I don’t always have to make it my mission to have a deep opinion about something. I have really enjoyed that the idea that liberation isn’t fixed, it’s fluid…” – Pam Benson Owens Time Stamps for The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257)10:03 Engaging with difficult conversations
14:57 The importance of self-care in activism
25:12 The role of fear in DEI work
39:44 Balancing vigilance and connection
50:01 Embracing the messy middle of growth
56:22 Next steps: Pacing and purpose
Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and retired from the CEO of Six Square in September of 2024. For more years than she cares to admit to, Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. She is an
advocate and ambassador for healthy organizational cultures and communities. Pam often leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. She serves the community in a variety of capacities with the intentional motive of building a stronger and more equitable community. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture. She is a proud Texas A&M Aggie where she earned a degree in Journalism and a certification in Diversity Education and completed her graduate work at St. Edwards University with a master?s in Human Services with a concentration in Conflict Resolution/Mediation. Pam has also completed coursework at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary, holds a certification in DEI from Cornell, is Hogan and Daring Leadership certified, is a self-professed book nerd and lifelong learner, has a new book called The Lessons of Lists, has an online coffee business with all four members of her family called 4TheCultureCoffee, that directs a percentage of the proceeds back to BIPOC nonprofit organizations in the Central Texas region, and you can hear her weekly on her Podcast, Rooted. She resides in Austin with her spouse, Arlyn, and two exceptionally amazing kids, Preston, and Allyson.
PamelaBensonOwens.com – Website, information & resources
The Lessons of Lists – book by Pam Benson Owens
Pamela Benson Owens: Aligning with Influence – ATX Woman article
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Rediscovering Play for More Secure Connections with Children – and Adults (256)
Just released! “The Way of Play” – Book by Dr. Georgie Wisen-Vincent & Dr. Tina Payne Bryson, we recommend you get your copy today!
Could the key to raising resilient, connected kids be as simple as play?
Co-host Sue Marriott, with special guests, Tina Payne Bryson and Georgie Wisen-Vincent, discuss the relational neuroscience behind the powerful role of play in child development and its therapeutic benefits. Play fosters emotional resilience, strengthens parent-child attachment, and supports positive neuroplasticity. They bring in positive neuroplasticity, emotional discomfort and tons of very practical techniques.
Learn how embracing play can nurture emotional growth and empower both children and parents in meaningful ways.
“The oldest evolutionary pathways in the brain are nonverbal. Your actions always speak louder than words when it comes to your child’s mind.” – George Wisen-Vincent Time Stamps for Playful Parenting: Building Resilience, Connection, and Joy Through Play (256)03:08 The role of play in child development
08:57 Understanding resistance to play
14:50 The science behind play and attachment
21:12 Overcoming barriers to play
24:07 Practical techniques for parents
39:40 The importance of emotional discomfort
41:35 Over-functioning vs. scaffolding
58:31 Positive neuroplasticity through play
Georgie Wisen-Vincent, LMFT, RPT-S, ECMHS is a nationally recognized play therapy expert and co-author of the new book — THE WAY OF PLAY (Penguin Random House, January 2025). She is the Founder/Director of The Play Strong Institute, a center devoted to the study, research, and practice of play therapy through a neurodevelopment lens, along with Dr. Bryson, the Founder/Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary clinical practice in Southern California. Georgie is also a child, adolescent, and family psychotherapist and maintains a private practice at The Center for Connection. A graduate professor at Santa Clara University and active researcher in childhood play, attachment science, and mental health, Georgie has been commissioned as a consultant, program designer, and lead trainer for several major organizations and frequently presents to educators, parents, and clinical professionals on play therapy, trauma resilience, and the power of play-driven learning. She completed advanced study in play therapy at the University of Roehampton, London. Georgie gained specialist endorsement in early childhood mental health after completing the UC Davis Napa Infant Mental Health Fellowship. She is currently in the final phase of her doctoral program, a PhD in Infant and Early Child Development, focused on neurodiversity and parent-child attachment relationships. Click here to view her more detailed bio.
You may already know Dr. Tina Payne Bryson from her two New York Times Best Sellers The Whole-Brain Child and No-Drama Discipline. They?re both co-authored with Dan Siegel and have been translated into over fifty languages. She and Siegel also wrote The Yes Brain and The Power of Showing Up, and Dr. Bryson is the author of The Bottom Line for Baby. Her new book, co-authored with Georgie Wisen-Vincent, is The Way of Play. Her books have sold over 3 million copies combined. Tina is also the Founder and Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary mental health practice in Southern California. She keynotes conferences and conducts workshops for parents, educators, and clinicians all over the world. She also consults with schools, businesses, and other organizations, including the Nike Sport Research Lab (NSRL), where she is Project Director for Mental and Emotional Performance. Dr. Bryson earned her Ph.D. from the University of Southern California, where her research explored attachment science, childrearing theory, and the emerging field of interpersonal neurobiology. The most important part of her bio, she says, is that she?s a mom to her three boys. You can learn more about her at TinaBryson.com.
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Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)
The discussion evolves into an exploration of spirituality in the digital age, including thought-provoking perspectives on artificial intelligence’s role in shaping human consciousness and connection.
This nuanced conversation bridges practical psychological insights with broader questions about human connection in an evolving technological landscape.
“We inherit more than genetics from our families?we inherit patterns, beliefs, and ways of relating. Healing means choosing which ones to keep and which ones to let go of.” – Matthias Barker Time Stamps for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)05:54 Generational perspectives on estrangement
12:10 Understanding emotional dynamics in families
18:12 Spiritual harm and its impact
34:55 The intersection of technology and mental health
45:08 Exploring ethical dilemmas of AI in therapy
Matthias is a psychotherapist recognized for his expertise in making complex mental health concepts accessible, with a special focus on parent-child estrangement. He is the CEO of the Trauma Institute which provides clinical training for psychotherapists and education for the general public on healing from trauma. Matthias is widely recognized for his unique approach to making mental health knowledge and skills accessible to the wider public. His ability to translate complex topics into relatable everyday language has empowered millions to heal from their past, repair relationships, and take control of their mental well-being. Through platforms like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and his top-ranking Spotify podcast, Matthias delivers psychoeducational content to a following of over 4 million people. His innovative blend of engaging content and relevant mental health advice has fostered a vibrant online community centered on healing, personal growth, and moving towards what?s meaningful despite hardship. Aside from his online presence, Matthias is an accomplished author and educator. He has self-published several short books and interactive mental health journals, offering a distinctive trauma-informed approach to topics like grief, motivation, burnout, and gratitude. In addition, he has built a diverse library of interactive general public workshops on themes such as anxiety, relational intimacy, and healing from trauma, further establishing his commitment to sharing knowledge and resources for both clinicians and the general public.
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MatthiasJBarker.com – Matthias’ website, with resources and other information
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2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)
As we close out another year, Ann and Sue take time to reflect on 2024 while sharing some exciting opportunities for the year ahead. The Vitality Series is an exciting new endeavor, where they emphasize creating safe spaces for dialogue, navigating tough emotions, and bringing therapeutic concepts into everyday life. With an honest look at shame, vulnerability, and the challenges of personal growth, they explore how connection can empower both individuals and communities. Along the way, they celebrate the milestones of their podcast, emphasize the importance of self-reflection, and highlight the role of supportive networks in fostering meaningful change.
“Year’s end is neither an end nor a beginning but a going on, with all the wisdom that experience can instill in us.? ? Hal Borland Time Stamps for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)00:00 Exciting announcements for 2025
08:00 Reflecting on the past year
32:00 Bridging therapy and everyday life
46:40 The power in mobilizing for change
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Embodied Dying: Embracing the Sacred Union Between Life & Death (253)
Lee Warren shares her experience of living in an intentional community and how it opened the door to exploring tantra and the sacredness of death. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore tantra as a way to connect with the divine within ourselves and others, using tools like breath, sound, and movement to navigate the energy in our bodies. They also discuss death as a sacred process and the importance of preparing for it?both practically and spiritually. Learn how tantra and death preparation share a common goal: helping us embrace the impermanence of life and find joy in the present moment.
“The deep practice of tantra helps consciously engage with the inevitability of death.” – Lee Warren Time Stamps00:00 Exploring Eco-Village Living and Intentional Community
08:23 The Mysteries of Tantra: Cultivating pleasure and sensuality
16:36 Embracing the sacredness of death
21:10 Preparing for death: A journey of self-discovery
31:32 Having hard conversations with family
38:57 Exploring the mystical with psychedelics
Lee Warren, founder of Reclaiming Wisdom, helps people embrace life more fully by preparing for death. She sees life and death as inseparable partners, guiding individuals to transform fear into acceptance and empowerment through heartfelt conversations, mindfulness practices, rituals, and personalized care plans. As a mystic, Lee views death as a sacred portal for the soul, and as an embodiment practitioner, she supports the emotional and practical realities of the dying process. Lee believes that contemplating mortality deepens our connection to life, fostering awe, wonder, and a profound sense of purpose. Lee?s mission is to help others achieve clarity and peace about end-of-life wishes while embracing the sacredness of existence and the mystery of the human journey.
Resources for Embracing the Sacredness of DeathReclaimingWisdom.com – Lee Warren’s website & course information
“Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word with Trump about His Mother” – NYTimes Article
“The Doctor Who Helped Me Understand My Mom?s Choice to Die” – NYTime Article
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The Power of Acceptance & Commitment (ACT Therapy) with Dr. Diana Hill (252)
Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life’s challenges and nurture healthy relationships.
“We don’t battle thoughts. We don’t challenge thoughts. We just let thoughts go, and we can act independently from our thoughts.” – Dr. Diana Hill Time Stamps for ACT1:06 – What is ACT?
8:52 – Introduction to cognitive diffusion
10:45 – Exploring the transcendent self and family body analogy of ACT
12:09 – The six processes of ACT
20:54 – Utilizing Diana’s daily journal book method
26:53 – Navigating experiential avoidance
33:57 – Moving through acceptance
50:52 – How to learn more about the ACT principles
About our Guest – Dr. Diana HillDiana Hill, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, and co-author of ACT Daily Commitment Therapy Journal: Get unstuck and live full with Acceptance. She is also a co-host of the popular podcast, Psychologists Off the Clock which has over 1 million downloads, where she has interviewed leaders in the field of psychology, mindfulness, and wellness including Dr. Daniel Goleman, Dr. Rich Hanson, The Psychology of Radical Healing Collective, Dr. Daniel Siegel, and Dr. David Sinclair. She is a regular teacher for the Mindful Hearts Program and Insight LA. Through her online teachings, executive coaching, clinical supervision, and private therapy practice Diana encourages clients to build psychological flexibility so that they can live more meaningful and fulfilling lives.
Resources for ACTDr. Diana Hill – Website & resources
ACT Daily Journal & Card Deck – Dr. Hill’s daily journal book
Psychologists Off the Clock – Dr. Diana Hill’s podcast
The Power of Regret by Daniel Pink – Referenced by Diana Hill when discussing values
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AEDP Therapy: Engaging with Emotions & Experiences with Dr. Diana Fosha (251)
Sue Marriott and Diana Fosha explore the key principles of Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) and its transformative impact on the field. AEDP begins with the premise of “healing from the get-go,” and fostering change from the first session. It emphasizes “undoing aloneness” by building a supportive therapeutic relationship, while encouraging clients to engage deeply with emotions. Join us as we highlight techniques like metatherapeutic processing, where clients reflect on their healing experience, and integrating neuroscience into clinical practice.
?The basic quality of emergent experience is a surrender to the experience of flow, of being in the zone.” – Dr. Diana Fosha Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more Time Stamps for AEDP02:55 The importance of healing from the get-go
06:06 Understanding “Undoing aloneness”
28:34 Dropping down into the body and connecting with emotions
33:28 Explanation and application of Metatherapeutic processing
35:28 Creating a safe and transformative relationship with clients
51:20 The societal impact of AEDP
Diana Fosha PhD is the developer of AEDPTM, a healing-oriented, radically relational experiential psychotherapy to transform trauma, heal attachment wounds and help people connect to their vitality. She is Founder and Director of the AEDP Institute. Her “heightened sensitivity to the promises of life” recognized, she has been also described as having “an extraordinary gift for hope.” For the last 20 years, Diana has been active in promoting a scientific basis for a healing-oriented, attachment-emotion- and transformation-focused trauma treatment model. Fosha’s work focuses on integrating neuroplasticity, recognition science and developmental dyadic research into experiential and transformational clinical work with patients. Her most recent work, Undoing aloneness and the transformation of suffering into flourishing: AEDP 2.0, (APA, 2021), focuses on flourishing as a seamless part of the process of transforming emotional suffering. She is the author of The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change (Basic Books, 2000); co-author, with Natasha Prenn, of Supervision essentials for Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (APA, 2016); 1st editor, with Daniel Siegel and Marion Solomon, of The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development & clinical practice (Norton, 2009), and editor of the soon to be released AEDP 2.0: Four DVDs of her live AEDP clinical work, including one documenting a complete 6-session treatment, and one on clinical supervision have been issued by the American Psychological Association (APA). Described by psychoanalyst James Grotstein as a ?prizefighter of intimacy,? and by David Malan as ?the Winnicott of [accelerated experiential] psychotherapy,? Diana Fosha?s writing style is powerful and precise, yet poetic and evocative. Her phrases —“undoing aloneness,” “existing in the heart and mind of the other,” “rigor without shame” and “True Other” — capture the ethos of AEDP.
Resources for AEDPwww.aedpinstitute.org – View some of Dr. Fosha’s papers here
Metatherapeutic Processing Supports the Emergence of Flourishing in Psychotherapy – by Dr. Diana Fosha
How to be a Transformational Therapist – by Dr. Diana Fosha
Speculations on Emergence: Working the Edge of Transformational Experience and Neuroplasticity – by Dr. Diana Fosha
Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (& then some!) – by Dr. Diana Fosha
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Understanding Post-Election Distress – with Michael Hilgers (straight white guy) (250)
Families are dividing, couples are blowing up and neighbors are being cut off. When you are close to someone who didn’t vote with you this year, you are likley in some distress. The shock and pain for some groups after the election and the corresponding lack of understanding is a recipe for dysregulation.
We explore the complexities of political identity, emotional responses, and the impact of political discourse on all of our personal relationships in the wake of a divisive presidential election. Ann and Sue, alongside Michael Hilgers, LPC, emphasize the need for deeper conversations that transcend binary thinking and the significance of co-regulation in healing and fostering unity amidst division. They explore the challenges of navigating relationships where political views differ, emphasizing the value of patience, compassion, and open curiosity to foster understanding.
The conversation touches on the risks of lasting family divides and underscores the importance of creating safe, respectful spaces for meaningful conversations. Ultimately, it encourages empathy and small, thoughtful steps toward more compassionate communication.
?We all play a role in this democracy. We need to remember the power of every vote. I continue, too, to keep myself connected to a force that?s larger and more potent than any one election, or leader, or news story?and that?s optimism. For me, this is a form of faith, an antidote to fear.? – Michelle Obama Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more Time Stamps for Aftermath of the Election 00:00 Navigating identity02:52 The aftermath of the 2024 Presidential election based on gender
06:09 Understanding huge emotional responses for those who care
08:56 The difficulty of empathy and connection when stakes are high
15:01 Co-regulation
17:54 The role of historical trauma in reactions to current events
20:56 Is common ground possible?
25:32 Betrayal
27:09 Listening and holding space rather than fixing it
29:31 Patience in difficult conversations
30:35 Political divides in relationships
32:00 The risk of permanent divisions
39:18 Concrete steps for compassionate communication
42:08 Addressing name-calling and intentional humiliation About our Guest – Michael Hilgers, LPC
Michael Hilgers, LPC is a licensed Professional Counselor who maintains an online Counseling Practice specializing in work with Creatives and Entrepreneurs. After almost 25 years in Austin, Tx, he moved to the mountains of Northern New Mexico where he works with clients from around the globe.
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Secure Relating & the Election: Fostering Connection in Political Division (249)
The political events in the United States have been a major contributor to our anxieties these past years, and with our significant presidential election looming over us this week – Ann and Sue are here to talk about the hard things. While the world feels unpredictable on the outside, one thing we can do is focus on the intricate relationship between our nervous systems and the emotional responses triggered by political events. They discuss how fear and anxiety are often manipulated through political rhetoric, leading to division and polarization, the importance of understanding how personal relationships amidst these tensions are emphasized, and the need for secure relating and accountability from leaders. There is power in recognizing the complexity of political opinions and the necessity of maintaining open dialogue to foster connection rather than division. Join us as we explore how to navigate differences, the importance of empathy and community, and the need for resilience during uncertain times.
“We are resilient beings and we will get through this.” Time Stamps for Secure Relating & the Election00:00 Understanding the Nervous System’s Role in Fear
03:00 The Impact of Political Rhetoric on Our Emotions
05:56 Navigating Personal Relationships Amidst Political Divisions
09:06 The Complexity of Political Opinions
11:57 The Importance of Secure Relating in Divided Times
14:52 Holding Leaders Accountable in a Polarized Environment
25:49 The Importance of Secure Relating
30:02 Navigating Division and Conflict
36:32 Finding Resilience in Uncertain Times
41:20 Empathy and Community in Crisis
46:36 Promoting Secure Relating for a Better Future
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LIVE from KUYA Wellness: A Discussion on Secure Relating & Tough Conversations (248)
Alongside Pam Benson Owens, Ann and Sue explore a variety of topics with a live audience at the KUYA Wellness center in Austin, TX. Referencing their book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World, they delve into the neuroscience behind relationships, discussing attachment styles and emotional regulation, and emphasize the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue. They highlight the significance of understanding generational trauma and the complexities of navigating relationships in a diverse society. Through personal stories and insightful discussions, they shine a light on the power of self-awareness, encouraging listeners to explore their own emotional landscapes with compassion and curiosity. Learn how creating safe spaces for open dialogue can deepen connections, while understanding the role of pauses and curiosity in everyday conversations.
“The power of the pause is essential.” – Pam Benson Owens Time Stamps for KUYA07:05 Understanding Neuroscience in Relationships
20:28 Navigating Emotional States and Attachment
30:00 Creating Safe Spaces in Conversations
34:51 Navigating Activation and Agency
39:41 The Role of Shame in Learning
44:14 The Power of the Pause and Curiosity
49:36 Strategic Communication in Relationships
54:43 Repression vs. Calibration of Emotions
01:00:17 Cultural Norms and DEI Conversations
01:03:05 Boundaries in Relationships
01:05:20 Generational Trauma and Cultural Clashes
Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and is also serving as the CEO of Six Square. For 25+ years Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. Pam leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture.
Resources for KUYAClick here to view Pam’s website – Edge of Your Seat Consulting
KUYA – Mental Health & Wellness Center in Austin, TX & host of our recording
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New Frontiers of Adult ADHD James Ochoa (247)
James Ochoa and co-host Sue Marriott explore the different subtypes of ADHD, and the impact on adults who are navigating a diagnosis later in life. As an ADHD expert, Ochoa shares insights on the emotional and mental stress that accompanies ADHD, as well as provides different techniques for managing symptoms. With an emphasis on the importance of self-care, communication, and personalized strategies, he provides resources and training for adults with ADHD, professionals who work with ADHD clients, and family members of individuals with ADHD.
“…It feels like their attachment to themselves has always seemed off, and when they receive an accurate diagnosis then suddenly there’s these lights that turn on…” – James Ochoa Time Stamps for New Frontiers of Adult ADHD02:05 Stumbling Upon an Adult ADHD Diagnosis
04:40 Understanding the Subtypes of ADHD
08:06 Resourcing and Self-Care for ADHD
10:04 Managing ADHD Symptoms: Breathing Exercises and Micro-Meditations
15:32 Interrupting Over-activation and Panic in ADHD
26:55 Managing ADHD: Strategies and Self-Care
31:17 Supporting Loved Ones with ADHD
35:37 Educating Professionals on ADHD
43:49 Resources and Training for ADHD
For over thirty years, James Ochoa, LPC, has combined counseling, coaching, mentoring, and intuition to help adults with ADHD overcome challenges, pursue passions, and live meaningful lives. Most of his clients seek help beyond ADHD organization and time-management strategies. As valuable as those skills can be, James? key concepts involve working with his clients? imagination, life history and inner resources. His insight-and-action-based counseling style has helped clients from all walks of life, including executives, indie film producers, college students, religious leaders and beyond. He welcomes individuals, couples, and family members, whether from Austin, Texas, or points beyond. James is also working on his second book, When the Shiny Wears Off, Navigating the Lifetime Storms of Adult ADHD, which focuses on how to handle the chronic stress of ADHD that never completely stops wreaking havoc. The book will offer ample strategies to help mitigate the impact this disruption has on relationships, career, self-care, and mental health.
Resources for New Frontiers of Adult ADHDLiving Well With ADHD – 10/19 live, in-person training in Austin, TX – This is a great resource for ADHD awareness month that is happening the entire month of October! (Use code TU30OFF for 30% off)
JamesOchoa.com – James’s Website
Focused Forward – James’s Book
ADHD Town Hall – Webinar Series
Storm Team – 12 -Topic ADHD series
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Challenging Defenses: An Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTS): (246)
00:00 Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies
04:07 Understanding Defenses and Creating Change
08:19 Turning Against Defenses
13:49 Building Capacity and Accessing Core Feelings
20:05 Working with Resistance and Anxiety
23:49 Exploring Different Models within EDTs
29:22 Understanding and Working with Defenses
36:14 Building Capacity and Regulating Emotions
39:05 Challenging Defenses and Facilitating Character Change
45:04 Integrating Modalities for Comprehensive Healing
48:31 The Role of the Therapist in Addressing Defenses
54:49 Compassionate and Supportive Therapeutic Relationships
Dr. Deborah Pollack is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Utica University and a clinical
psychologist in private practice near Syracuse, New York. She also has faculty appointments at SUNY Upstate Medical University and Syracuse University, where she teaches and supervises doctoral students in psychology. Dr. Pollack is active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA), serving as recording secretary and on several
standing committees. She is the President-elect of the Central New York Psychological Association. Dr. Pollack is a qualitative researcher and most recently has investigated the application of EDT-informed therapy for mothers with postpartum mood and anxiety disorders. She has been studying the EDTs since 2009 and is certified as a Teacher and Supervisor through the IEDTA. She is currently running a core training in ISTDP and she also offers individual supervision in ISTDP for licensed or license-eligible therapists. In her free time, Deb enjoys traveling, sewing, and hiking, especially in the Adirondack
mountains where she is working on hiking all 46 high peaks.
Margaret Martin, LCSW is an individual and couple therapist practicing in Austin, Texas,
where she specializes in complex trauma. She began training with Stan Tatkin,
developer of the PACT model, in 2012. She now coaches PACT level one and two students and provides training for the PACT Institute, and hosts a monthly online discussion group for PACT and PACT-curious therapists. In 2022 Margaret completed the PACT Institute?s inaugural invitation-only certification program and is one of 25 therapists worldwide to receive the designation of PACT-certified therapist. In 2019 she began training in ISTDP and developed a passion for incorporating aspects of ISTDP into her work with couples. With colleague Kathryn Barksdale, Margaret co-developed Trauma Wise Therapy, a framework for working with high-trauma couples. Margaret active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA) and chairs the IEDTA Diversity Committee. A self-described training junkie, she also trained in Somatic Experiencing, Eye Movement
Desensitization Reprocessing, Emotional Transformation Therapy, Brainspotting, and Accelerated Resolution Therapy. She is slightly fanatic about trauma-informed care, deliberate practice for therapists, cats, and fiber arts of any kind.
Margaret Martin, LCSW – Margaret Martin’s website
Deborah Pollack, PhD – Dr. Deborah Pollack’s website
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Additional resources on ISTDP and Experiential Dynamic Therapies
Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Patricia Coughlin – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Reaching Through Resistance by Allan Abbass – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: A Reference by Nat Kuhn MD – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Treating Affect Phobia: A Manual for Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Leigh McCullough, et al – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Healing through Relating: A Skill-Building Book for Therapists by Jon Frederickson – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Changing Character: Short-term Anxiety-regulating Psychotherapy For Restructuring Defenses, Affects, And Attachment by Leigh Mccullough Vaillant – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Mastering Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: A Roadmap to the Unconscious by Josette ten Have-de Labije and Robert J. Neborsky – Recommended by Margaret Martin
The Lies We Tell Ourselves by Jon Frederickson – Recommended by Margaret Martin
The Transforming Power Of Affect: A Model For Accelerated Change by Diana Fosha – Recommended by Margaret Martin
A Therapist?s Handbook to Dissolve Shame and Defense and Master the Moment by Susan Warren Warshow – Recommended by Margaret Martin
Hidden From View: A clinician’s guide to psychophysiologic disorders by Allan Abbass – Recommended by Margaret Martin
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Liberating Marginalized Couples from Relational and Systemic Trauma with Akilah Riley-Richardson (245)
Co-host Sue Marriott and Akilah Riley Richardson dive into a wide-ranging discussion about the vital need to center marginalized voices of clients – and therapists. They explore how Western perspectives have shaped therapy practices globally, often overlooking diverse cultural approaches. Akilah brings a fresh, challenging perspective to the table. She pushes for a real shake-up in how we approach therapy, especially when working with marginalized couples. It’s not just about tweaking existing methods ? she’s calling for a fundamental rethinking of our assumptions.
The conversation tackles some heavy topics, from unpacking the concept of relational privilege to developing strategies that help couples see beyond their individual struggles to the bigger picture of systemic trauma. What really stands out is their focus on the deep impact of systemic trauma. They don’t just acknowledge it ? they dig into why it’s so crucial for therapists to truly understand and address it in their work.
Ultimately, this discussion isn’t just academic. It’s a call to action for therapists to step up, broaden their perspectives, and find new ways to help couples break free from systemic constraints. It’s about empowering relationships and, in the process, maybe changing the face of therapy itself.
“Our ways of understanding healing are not always in the traditionally confined space of therapy. Dance is healing, drumming is healing, movement is healing…” – Akilah Riley-Richardson Time Stamps for Liberating Marginalized Couples from Systemic Trauma00:00 Introduction and Akilah’s background
02:15 The influence of the global north on therapy practices in the global south
06:24 Understanding relational privilege in marginalized couples
28:36 The impact of systemic trauma on marginalized couples
30:50 The theater of oppression: Mapping themes onto relationships
36:51 Learning about relationships through systemic trauma
40:59 Challenging the therapy profession
46:13 The bubble of psychotherapy
48:43 Redefining and reclaiming narratives of survival
53:28 The urgency of addressing systemic trauma
56:16 Challenging the profession and implementing systemic change
59:04 Taking action and being part of the work
Akilah Riley-Richardson is a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional, a Facilitator and Trainer, as well as a Couples Therapist, certified in the STAIR Method. She has received training in various areas including Somatic Experiencing, Brainspotting, Playback Theatre, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing, Neuroscience, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Relational Life Therapy, Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy, Compassion Focused Therapy, and Internal Family Systems Therapy. She is the founder of the Relational Healing Institute, which is dedicated to the healing of relationships, especially those of marginalized people, and is also the creator of the P.R.I.D.E model which is an approach that is useful when working with clients and in clinical supervision. P.R.I.D.E stands for Pivot, Rumble, Imagine, Develop and Evolve.
Resources for this Episode – Liberating Marginalized Couples from Systemic TraumaAkilah Riley-Richardson’s Website – Information & Resources
Indigenous Social Work Around the World by Towards Culturally Relevant Education and Practice by John Coates & Mel Grey – Book referenced by Akilah Riley-Richardson
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Therapeutic Psychedelics: Discernment, Science, and the Need for Theory with Nigel Denning (244)
Pychedelic assisted therapy
Nigel Denning is a pioneer in the field of training and research around the therapeutic use of medicines, and as an Australian, has seen what happens when psychedelics become legalized. He and co-host Sue Marriott discuss the state of psychedelic-assisted therapy as it ‘officially’ emerges in the United States. They discuss the efficacy of psychedelics such as MDMA and psilocybin as well as concerns about how these medicines are implemented and by whom. The need for structured treatment that supports integration with a solid theory of mind is emphasized.
Denning shares how the substances offer new opportunities for those who have not had success with traditional treatments, as well as addresses the concerns and skepticism around the science. Through their emphasis on the importance of proper setting, preparation, and integration he also highlights the importance of collaboration and community in the future of psychedelic therapy. Integrative Attachment Therapy was recommended as a sound training model to support those training in psychedelic integration.
“Psychedelics can help create the conditions for new opportunity” – Nigel Denning Time Stamps for Unlocking the Potential of Psychedelics04:37 The State of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy in Australia
13:46 Addressing Criticism and Skepticism: The Need for Scientific Explanation
21:58 Understanding the Effects of MDMA on the Brain
26:41 Understanding the Effects of Psilocybin on the Brain
29:31 The Importance of Set and Setting, Preparation, and Integration
32:41 Integration in Psychedelic Therapy
36:35 Concerns about Commercialization and Lack of Regulation
44:54 Training and Collaboration in Psychedelic Therapy
49:22 Psychotherapy as a Catalyst for Transformation and Resilience
Nigel Denning is a counseling psychologist who runs Integrative Psychology in Melbourne, Australia. He earned a Masters degree in English literature before entering Psychology. Denning developed a national training psychedelic-assisted therapy for Mind Medicine Australia, which is described by Professor David Nutt as “the world’s best.” Denning is a clinical lead in three psychedelic trials and has developed an attachment training program with David Elliott. He also mediated a healing process with two large Catholic colleges with histories of employing pedophiles, as well as worked on the George Pell prosecution. Denning has worked in institutional abuse and was instrumental in dismantling a Hindu sex cult. He has lectured a many universities and ran professional training for the College of Counseling psychologists, and trains in Tibetan Bon DzogChen following his mentor, Daniel P. Brown.
Resources for Unlocking the Potential of Therapeutic Psychedelics Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount!Shadow Work and Psychedelic-Assisted Therapies – Article from Mind Medicine Australia by Nigel Denning
Integrative Attachment Therapy (IAT) – Media Release
Integrative Psychology – Website & Resource
Previous episodes on psychedelic-assisted therapies to deepen your exploration:
Non-drug Psychedelic Therapy with Trey Ratcliff TU 129
A Dose of Hope TU Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy with Dan Engle 167
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Improv: Fostering Connection in Challenging Conversations (243)
Dr. Ann Kelley and Lisa Kays discuss how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression. They examine white supremacy culture and show how improv values like collaboration, slowing down, and embracing complexity can challenge these norms. Improv fosters creativity, playfulness, and self-reflection to help reduce defensiveness and strengthen relationships in everyday life, at work, or in our closest relationships. By creating a supportive, collaborative environment, improv deepens connections and helps people tap into a wider range of emotions.
“A culture of improvisation is collaborative – it is nature – you cannot do it by yourself.” – Lisa Kays Time Stamps for Improv in Therapy & Life03:30 The integration of improv and tough conversations
10:03 The origins of improv and its connection to social justice
14:27 Contrasting white supremacy culture and improv culture
19:20 Questioning cultural norms and valuing relationships
25:29 The power of the ‘And’ in joining and connecting
38:27 The power of improv in building secure relationships
53:25 Embracing creativity and letting go of perfectionism
58:12 Creating a culture of support and collaboration
01:05:04 Applying improv in everyday life
01:09:10 Deepening connections and accessing different emotions
Lisa Kays, LICSW, LCSW-C, LCSW, is an independently licensed clinical social worker in Washington, D.C, Maryland, Virginia, Oregon and New Jersey. She obtained her MSW from Catholic University in 2011 and has worked in a variety of clinical settings. Since 2013, she has been in private practice, providing individual, couples and group therapy to adults. She has interest in social work ethic and has published on and leads ethics training on the intersection of technology, social media and social work ethics as well as anti-racism and systemic oppression. Her practice also provides opportunities for other presenters to develop CE trainings on under-taught topics linked to social justice, systemic racism, and oppression. In addition to her traditional psychotherapy work, Lisa was a performing improviser from 2007-2019 and was on the faculty of Washington Improv Theatre from 2008-2016. She developed Washington Improv Theater’s first Improv for Therapist’s class and has offered Improv for Therapists courses, workshops and trainings to individual clinicians, pastors, life coaches, and psychiatrists, as well as clinical agencies. Since its inception, Lisa has trained more than 500 people in the application of improvisation to foster personal growth and stronger and more cohesive groups. Lisa has been invited to lead trainings in improv-informed therapy at the American Academy of Psychotherapists, the Mid-Atlantic Group Psychotherapy Association, the American Group Psychotherapy Association, and at The Psychotherapy Networker, among others. Her work has been featured in The Washington Post and on NBC4. Recently, Lisa launched a humor, humility-infused podcast, “What if Nothing’s Wrong With You?” with co-host Paula D. Atkinson on themes related to therapy, mental health, oppression, patriarchy and how it’s all interconnected.
Resources for Improv Therapy –Lisa Kay’s – Website & Resources
The Fierce Urgency of Now: Improvisation, Rights, and the Ethics of Cocreation (Improvisation, Community, and Social Practice) – by Fischlin, Daniel; Heble, Ajah; Lipsitz, George
Theater Games – Viola Spolin Resources Rehearsals for Growth – Website and Educational Resources Decolonizing Therapy: Oppression, Historical Trauma, and Politicizing Your Practice – book by Jennifer Mullan, PsyD The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron – Book and Resources Free Play: Improvisation in Life and Art – Nachmanovitch, Stephen And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Therapists: This is our recommended class for going deeper and learning the most. You will not be disappointed! Use our link for a discount! Dr. Elliott’s Integrative Attachment Therapy Course InformationSupport this show staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode
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Protection or Connection? Neural Pathways & Regulation Basics – Replay (242)
With the high tension we’re experiencing in the world today, it can feel particularly challenging to practice secure relating. We are re-sharing one of our impactful episodes where Ann Kelley and Sue Marriott explore the inner workings of our nervous system auto-pilot settings: protection vs connection.
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Time Stamps for Protection or Connection00:00 Understanding our internal working model
01:05 Our body responds so much faster than our mind03:11 The story we tell amplifies the body?s response
05:30 Story vs State: Protective System and the Relational Connective System
08:11 Awareness of our state and identifying the tells of a protective system
16:12 The awareness of self in the presence of another, the relational system
17:49 Our smartest brain
19:30 Tells when you?re in a relational, connective, and reflective place
25:21 Tolerating difficult emotions
29:32 Use your own name to identify yourself
31:24 Ways to calm your body down
36:40 Pre-emptive strike; we get defensive because of the threat inside of our body
39:26 Positive interpretation of a story
41:02 Conclusion
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Journey to Self-Discovery: Navigating Identity & Mental Health as a Korean American Immigrant Hyeseung Song (241)
Dr. Ann Kelley and Hyeseung Song, a first-generation Korean American discuss Hyeseung’s experiences growing up as an Asian minority in America, touching on topics like racial stereotypes, assimilation, and the model minority myth. Hyeseung shares her journey of finding her voice and identity, highlighting the mental health challenges of navigating different cultures and the path to self-acceptance.
“…realizing that I was kind of a third distinct thing, maybe not completely Korean, maybe not completely American, but Korean American – something very special that I was learning and etching out for myself.” – Hyeseung Song Time Stamps for Journey to Self-Discovery: Navigating Identity and Mental Health as a Korean American Immigrant 5:17 – Growing up as Korean American 9:23 – The impact of racial stereotypes and assimilation 23:23 – Code-Switching and Balancing Cultural Expectations 26:24 – The Toll of Hypervigilance on Mental Health 29:14 – Finding Voice and Identity as a Korean American 36:58 – The Importance of Culturally Competent Mental Health Care 41:17 – Asian American Collaboration and Advocacy 46:13 – Embracing Identity and Fighting Racial Stereotypes: The Role of Younger Generations 56:22 – Finding Support and Being Seen 59:27 – The Importance of a Common Language in Therapy 01:06:57 – Curiosity and Connection in Conversations about Race and Identity About our Guest – Hyeseung SongPhoto by Jack Sorokin
Hyeseung Song is a first-generation Korean American painter and the author of Docile: Memoirs of a Not-So-Perfect Asian Girl (Simon & Schuster). She lives in Brooklyn and upstate New York. Learn more about her at hyeseungsong.com.
Resources for today’s episode –Click here to visit Hyeseung’s website
“They Called Us Exceptional” – Prachi Gupta’s Memoir
Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy ? Author, Professor & Director of the Eikenberg Institute
Suicide statistic: #1 cause of death among young AAPI adults 15-24 is suicide
Check out Hyeseung Song’s book – Docile: Memoirs of a Not-So-Perfect Asian Girl
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Addiction, Attachment & the Felt Sense Polyvagal Model with Jan Winhall – Replay (240)
Enjoy this replay episode with Jan Winhall, as we explore how our bodies can guide us towards healing and growth through the concept of “felt sense.” This approach integrates neuroscience and focuses on our innate ability to perceive and respond to our experiences. Winhall’s work challenges conventional views on navigating challenges influenced by culture and trauma.
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Episode Swap: Secure Relating with Ann & Sue on The Baffling Behavior Show (239)
One of the many incredible aspects of this community are the people we are able to connect and learn with, like Robyn Gobbel. She is a licensed social worker, podcast host, keynote speaker, writer, trainer & consultant – and even host launch this spring. This episode, Ann and Sue joined her on her podcast, “The Baffling Behavior Show”, to talk about secure relating.
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Managing Intense Feelings for Kids and Grownups with Lindsey Kealey (Replay) – (238)
Security Individually, Relationally, and in Community with Ann & Sue 3 of 3 (237)
Curiosity, emotional honesty and discernment… magic ingredients to preserve and express your security.
Ann and Sue focus on context over the intrapsychic in this episode, which expands on the last thrid of the ideas from their book, Secure Relating Holding Your Own in an Insecure World.
Moving from individual to interpersonal and then societal levels, we discuss the complexities of human connection. Ann and Sue touch on the dark side of empathy and oxytocin, explore leadership and the need for nuance in navigating today’s challenges while aiming to expand beyond just the Western lens. Whether it be with your partner or even how you navigate your community – building security helps every single one of us. They hope to help you do your part in this crucial work of deepening your connection to the goodness of yourself and others and mobilizing your voice to stand up for those who need us.
“Our growth does not just happen in the therapy office, it happens through all of our relational experiences and is enhanced by interpersonal risk we take safe people throughout our lives.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Security Individually, Relationally, and in Community1:55 – Deeping security among us
4:23 – What is a primary?
9:31 – Why we don?t use the word ?treatment?
18:37 – Empathy and Oxitocyn aren?t always good
24:19 – Why receiving opposing feedback is important
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