This week Lauren & Chan are chatting the questionable timeline of Sophia Bush's relationship with Ashlyn Harris, prompted by her new cover article in Glamour Magazine. The gals get into the wedding of billionaire Ankara Jain and WWE star Erika Hammond. They also discuss a new article in The Cut about what it's like to plan vacations for ultra ultra high net worth individuals and their families. Finally, Lauren and Chan chat recent personal revelations about Taylor & Travis and debrief on their trip to Guana Island. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today?s bonus episode, Lauren and Chan join The 13 Podcast, a podcast comprised of true Swifties who are going through all of Taylor Alison Swift?s eras one deep dive at a time. Hear Lauren and Chan?s continually evolving views on TTPD, whether they believe TTPD is a diss album, and what they think about Matty?s recent comments about TTPD. The gals give their take on Taylor?s potentially petty move against Joe Alwyn and why they think Joe is going to be just fine. Finally, Lauren and Chan share what they think any negative TTPD reviews *actually* mean.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren & Chan are back for an emergency episode diving deep into the 10 year situationship between Taylor Swift and Matty Healy. But first, the gals discuss their evolving appreciation for THE TORTURED POET'S DEPARTMENT. Lauren specifically returns to the chat with an even mightier change of heart and newfound appreciation for both the title track, Down Bad, and My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys. Then, the sisters tackle the ten year situationship between the volatile The 1975 frontman and the American icon, Taylor Swift. They discuss everything from the rumored beginnings of the relationship in 2014 up until the the smallest man who ever lived ghosted their treasured Taylor. Listen along for the full scoop on Taylor and Matty on this EMERGENCY DEEP DIVE ???? Taylor Swift & Matty Healy ? EVERYTHING WE KNOW. BUCKLE IN. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan sit down with Taylor Swift expert and listener favorite, Joe Peacock, to deep dive the 11th studio by their blonde redeemer, Taylor Allison Swift. The trio discuss the journeys each has been on contending with the unexpected sonic experience of TTPD. Listen along as Lauren, Chan, and Joe get into the Matty Healy, Joe Alwyn, and Kim Kardashian of it all as they wade through the often stormy waters on Taylor?s tortured seas.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan have their hearts warmed by the Taylor + Travis Coachella content, and they chat about the couple?s festival security situation and Taylor?s normie girl moment. In preparation for TTPD, Lauren has Joe Alwyn on the brain and is ready to dissect Taylor?s lyrics that tell everyone what Joe really is like. The gals switch over to another tortured poet with Gerry the Golden Bachelor and dive into what could have been so wrong that he and Theresa would split after just three months of marriage. They then move on to listener relationship questions and feature a Pop Apologist Golden Moment from their Dating Red Flags episode.  Lauren and Chan answer questions about: -What to do when your longterm boyfriend gets upset when you ask about a proposal -Whether you should give a guy another chance after he ghosted you a year ago -What you should do when your super hot ex joins the Illuminati(!!) for fame -Whether you should date a man who?s morals don?t align with yours, but makes a ton of money -How to handle a marriage where you and your spouse disagree over big things -Whether you should move in with your boyfriend before getting engaged -How to cope when the person you are having an affair with dies -What to do if you don?t have instant chemistry with the person you are dating -What to do when you and your partner have different levels of desire -How to cope when your partner cheats -How to get your boyfriend to be more romantic in your relationship  -What to do when your crush is in a bad relationship with someone else? Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week the gals chat about Chanler?s experience chasing the solar eclipse and a recent psychic reading Lauren had done that she hoped would lead to further information about Kate Middleton. They then dive into Morgan Wallen?s love sick chair-throwing episode that landed him in the slammer over the weekend. Chanler leads us through the accusations of Rebel Wilson against Sacha Baron Cohen and finally, the gals revisit the concept of children forced to protest on behalf of their activist parents. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan chat about the emergence of new AI robots hitting the scene, which AI practices the gals cannot get on board with, and why AI may end up  helping them achieve their dreams of living their best Ballerina Farm lives. They dive into the New York Post article that discussed why women love dad bods, specifically putting Travis Kelce into the dad bod category. Lauren and Chan take a look at the different physical standards that exist for men vs. women and why they are loving the photos they have recently seen of Taylor Swift on vacation with Travis Kelce. The gals take a look at the lawsuit between former RHOC couple Shannon Beador and John Janssen, in which John is suing Shannon for $75,000. Finally, Lauren and Chan introduce a new segment, Pop Apologists Golden Moment, where they share some of the best stories from early episodes of the podcast.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chanler are joined by Kate Casey to unpack the new MAX series, ?Quiet on Set.? But first, the blonde trio debrief on Kate Middleton and get Kate?s expert opinion on where exactly Kensington Palace failed their princess in their PR fumbling of the century. The gals also touch on very troubling news re: Gerry the Golden Bachelor and Theresa Nist before diving into the disturbing docu-series that has everyone glued to their screens in horror. Listen along as Lauren, Chanler, and Kate discuss the toxic work environment on Dan Schneider's hit Nickelodeon children's tv show sets, including "The Amanda Show" and "All That." The gals discuss the humiliations and sexual assaults the cast and crew on these shows endured and question the moral murkiness of child stardom in today's world. Buckle in...listener discretion is advised. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chanler sit down to discuss the raid of P. Diddy?s homes in Los Angeles, NYC, and Miami as federal authorities search of evidence of the rapper?s crimes. The gals discuss his misdeeds up until this point and the current accusations against him by his former producer, Rodney ?Lil Rod? Jones. After detailing these unsavory allegations, Lauren and Chan move onto decidedly lighter subject matter and discuss the new photos of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift on vacation in the Bahamas. The girls also share their joy at the news that Meghan Markle is launching a lifestyle brand, ?American Riviera Orchard.? They chat the merits of this name, brand names they believe hit the cutting room floor, and what they are excited to see from the duchess?s forthcoming luxury empire. Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the new developments in the Ruby Franke case. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chanler sit down to discuss the tragic announcement that Kate made via video statement on Friday to the world. They give their full thoughts on the video statement, including how they now feel about their "Where TF is Kate" series given the news. The gals discuss the timing of the announcement, whether the royal family can be trusted, and why this conversation matters more than every at a time when faith in institutions is at an all-time low. They also get into the mysterious death of the Boeing whistleblower, a man who died just as he was supplying information in court about alleged negligence in one of the largest aviation companies in the world. Finally, Lauren and Chan debrief on Ariana finally moving out of the house she and Tom Sandoval shared. Buckle in! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chanler sit down with heavy hearts to describe to week that has transpired. Originally chasing wild tales with everyone else online, they find themselves with a newfound sense of nausea as they ponder whether it?s truly possible that something is horribly wrong with Kate Middleton, and this isn?t just the internet being the internet and going down wild rabbit holes. Listen along as the girls share everything they have heard about what is going on with Kate, from trusted sources to random DM?s from total strangers. Lauren and Chan present a cohesive narrative of what they are told is going on behind the scenes, their hope for was is happening (spoiler alert: a woman on the mend from an early 40?s facelift). Buckle tf in, though, bc unfortunately all evidence seems to point to something much more sinister. ? A note from Lauren and Chan: ?WE PRAY NONE OF THIS IS TRUE!? To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are together to discuss the saga that has gripped the globe? WHERE THE FUCK IS KATE MIDDLETON?! Join the gals as they explore all the theories on what is actually going on and why Kate has been out of view since December 25, 2023. They take a close look at the entire timeline of events to try and uncover what the Palace could be hiding and why there have been no real Kate sightings. Lauren and Chan examine what all of this could mean for the future of the monarchy amid the PR nightmare and rapidly eroding public trust. Finally, the gals dive into the deeper, darker theories that are too shocking to be discussed on social media. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are ready with a deep dive on Anne Hathaway, including their personal psychological evaluation as to why Anne seems to provoke so many feelings of consternation and ire among the public. Despite starring in a slew of beloved movies, hosting the Oscars in 2012, and winning the Oscar for best supporting actress in 2013, there was a growing amount of backlash against Anne. The gals take a closer look at why many members of the public have strong negative feelings about Anne, discuss whether they believe these feelings are warranted, or if the public needs to give Anne a break. Hear all about Anne?s high profile romance with Raffaello Follieri, a fraudster who was sentenced to 4 years in prison following an FBI investigation immediately following their relationship. Finally, buckle in as Lauren and Chan deliver their verdict on whether they are pro-Anne Hathaway or if the Hathahate has any merit.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan chat about Kate Middleton?s whereabouts and the theories about her extended medical leave from her royal duties. The gals discuss the frigid British royal family and why they are in favor of Meghan Markle going against the royal family?s cold ways. In Bravo news, they break down Jax and Brittany?s recent breakup announcement and why they aren?t buying it, as well as some mixed feelings about Lala Kent?s recent pregnancy announcement. Lauren and Chan dive into Kristin Cavallari?s hard launch with 24 year old TikTok creator Mark Estes and why this looks more cringe than the crumbling of the patriarchy. The gals chat all about the latest Cyrus family drama, which includes some startling revelations about mother and daughter Tish and Noah Cyrus, as well as Tish?s new husband Dominic Purcell. They take a look at pre-wedding celebrations of one of the world?s richest families, which featured a very expensive Rhianna performance. Finally, Lauren and Chan cheer on Kate Hudson, who is now adding pop star to her resume with the recent release of her single Talk About Love. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A deep dive that covers the dating history of the internet?s ex-boyfriend, John Mayer. Hear all about John?s known relationships and hookups, what he has to say about his time with them and vice versa, whose body is actually a wonderland, and what John Mayer wants in a partner now. For a man who hasn?t dated anyone publicly in the past decade, women everywhere are still reeling over John?s disastrous 2010 Playboy interview and the bombshells dropped in Jessica Simpson?s memoir Open Book. One question remains: Is John Mayer still the same man who inspired songs like Dear John, or has he grown enough to learn from his past and actually have a lasting relationship? Buckle in, because it?s going to be a bumpy ride! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are ready with a deep dive on former Good Morning America anchors TJ Holmes and Amy Robach. These co-workers captured headlines in December 2022 when their workplace romance unexpectedly went public. The big problem? They were both married to other people at the time. Listen in as the gals shed some light on the known timeline of their relationship, which is a lot murkier than TJ and Amy are wanting to admit. Hear about the dramatic fallout that resulted from their relationship and how this couple has attempted to rebuild their careers as a couple, far from the bright lights of the Good Morning America set. Finally, Lauren gives her shocking theory about this couple and why things might change now that the lavender haze has faded from this relationship. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan give their full Super Bowl LVIII breakdown, complete with their thoughts on Taylor Swift, Blake Lively, and Travis Kelce?s outfits, their love for Brittany Mahomes, Travis?s heated moment with his coach, and all the viral afterparty moments. They chat about ?new couple? Kim Kardashian and Odell Beckham Jr. and their lesser known relationship timeline. The gals discuss the unexpected Scientology Superbowl commercial, which invites viewers to ?see for yourself.? Finally, Lauren and Chan give their takes on the MVP of Scientology Tom Cruise and his new girlfriend Elsina Khayrova. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In honor of the upcoming episode on scams, Lauren and Chan discuss one of the biggest scams of all that is somehow accepted as normal. Chan recounts the recent simple favor she did for Lauren that turned out to be a complicated hellscape. Lauren and Chan give their full Grammy awards debrief, including the fashion hits and misses of some of their favorite artists. The gals discuss which artist really deserves more recognition for her lyrical genius and which performances brought them joy. Finally, they discuss the biggest bombshell of the night: Taylor Swift announcing her 11th studio album?The Tortured Poets Department coming out April 19. Lauren and Chan discuss everything they know about this album: the easter eggs, the song titles, and why this album will likely answer all of the questions they have had about Taylor and Joe?s relationship and breakup. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Trial of David Foster, where Lauren and Chan examine this Canadian songwriter & producer?s marriages and misdeeds. Listen as the gals dive into David?s five marriages to discuss his relationship patterns and the toll it has taken on those in his orbit. Join Lauren and Chan as the judge, jury, and executioner regarding this man?s bad behavior, complete with the gals? take on why David hated being on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills + why they think he and Yolanda Hadid (wife #4) split. Finally, listen in as  Lauren and Chan discuss the interview where Katherine McPhee (wife #5) tells the tale of her and David?s love. Buckle in, because this is a trial you won?t want to miss. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are so excited to have Dr. Jonathan Zelken on the podcast. Dr. Zelken is a board certified plastic surgeon based in Newport Beach, CA. After receiving his undergraduate degree in biology from Cornell University, he continued on to a degree in medicine at Tufts University, completed his plastic surgery training at Johns Hopkins Hospital, and then completed a microsurgery fellowship in Taiwan to further perfect his technique. Dr. Zelkin has learned from the best of the best to become one of the country?s leading plastic surgeons, specializing in facelifts, facial contouring, and a wide variety of plastic surgery techniques since opening his practice in 2016. Dr. Zelken's website and Instagram account are full of stunning before and after photos, featuring his flawless work and attention to the smallest of details on a wide variety of procedures. As the facelift expert of Newport Beach, Dr. Zelken is making his patients look like they are aging backwards, and we are so excited to hear his thoughts on all things related to plastic surgery. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan discuss their conflicting emotions regarding Ballerina Farm + why Hannah?s home childbirth followed by immediate Mrs. World preparation has a lot of followers feeling triggered, and potentially for valid reasons. Chan shares her favorite new online discovery of a very extreme fandom for Timotheé Chamalet. The gals discuss Queen Elizabeth?s alleged anger about Harry and Meghan giving their daughter the most clout chasing royal name "Lilibet Diana" and revisit the tense moment recounted in Spare when Harry asked for permission to propose to Meghan. Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the new episode of RHOBH, including Kyle's infatuation with Morgan Wade and the very important conversation about mental health shared by Kyle, Sutton, and Crystal.  TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussion of suicide and eating disorders. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses child abuse, murder, and rape.  Join Lauren and Chan on a deep dive covering the life of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. As a victim of Münchausen Syndrome by Proxy, Gypsy Rose?s experienced a lifetime of abuse and mistreatment at the hand of her mother, Dee Dee Blanchard. Listen as Chan takes Lauren through Gypsy Rose?s childhood and lays the foundation for how Dee Dee spun an intricate web of lies that kept Gypsy Rose under her complete control. Hear how Gypsy Rose?s plans of escape turned into murder as the only way out of her horrific circumstances. This story seems too crazy to be true, but it is ultimately a tale of survival for Gypsy Rose Blanchard, who is truly free for the first time in her life. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week the gals discuss: Alexis Bellino from RHOC and John Janssen are Instagram official, and Lauren and Chan have so many thoughts on this pairing #housewivesgrifter Kristen Taekman from RHONYC is on the newest Real Housewives Ultimate Girl?s Trip, and she has made a few statements that have Lauren and Chan scratching their heads. Take a trip down memory lane to her husband Josh?s less than upstanding past and hear where the math isn?t mathing.  Heather Durrow?s recent statements about her family?s approach to alcohol and her response to whether she has been disappointed to with her children has the gals floored.  Hear all about Lauren and Chan?s New Years resolutions and resignations, including why Chanler will never be able to pull a Pamela Anderson, why Lauren will never get a Mr. Big/Simon van Kempen moment in Cartier. Plus, hear all about Lauren?s New Year?s celebration with a very unexpected end. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are so excited to have Madi from The Bad Broadcast on the podcast as they chat the things they know in their 30?s that they didn?t know in their 20?s.  Listen in to hear some life lessons from three Bad Broads who occasionally have it all together, including feelings about karma, the value in investing in relationships, thoughts on cutting off friendships, left swipes being as important as the right swipes, thoughts on the Carrie Bradshaw life, why your 30?s are so much better than your 20?s, the three things Madi keeps on hand at all times, and Chan?s words of warning to all 20 somethings.  Plus, enjoy some hilarious stories about Madi?s recent surprise gambling bender, the special hell that are podcast reviews, and baby name ideas. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Lauren and Chan are joined by Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey as they dive into the fascinating world of the Mother God cult featured in the HBO docuseries ?Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God.? Hear about cult leader Amy Carlson?s beliefs, including being 19 million year old and being helped by a team of dead celebrities, led by Robin Williams. The gals discuss Mother God?s rise to power and the bizarre practices she and her followers would take part in as part of their community. This docuseries is like a slow motion disaster? you can?t believe what you are seeing, but you also can?t look away.  Lauren, Chan, and Kate also talk about their favorite reality topics: The Golden Bachelor, Sister Wives, and Paris Hilton. Hear who Kate feels is the most powerful woman in unscripted television, as well as a genius idea for a TLC spinoff show. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are back chatting the stress of longevity protocols and the hilarity of child-free adults offering parenting advice. They discuss the show Paris in Love.  Lauren has some very strong feelings about Paris?s husband and shares what gives her the biggest ick.  Lauren and Chan dive into the gems that exist in People magazine, which was so kind to check up on how Justin Timberlake is doing after his harrowing month. They chat William and Kate?s ?sexy ass Gap ad? Christmas card, which leads them to chat quiet luxury vs. the obvious flex. Taylor Swift?s birthday is coming up, and Travis has some fantastic surprises in the works, and the gals have some thoughts about it. In a truly glass half full attitude, Lauren and Chan have found ways to applaud Kanye?s wife Bianca Censori?s recent style efforts. Details of Todd Chrisley?s prison stay are out and things are looking rough. Callout to Kim Kardashian, because Todd needs her help. The gals answer some recent listener questions:  ?Chan?s non-alcoholic wine recommendations  ?Lauren and Chan?s Christmas wishlists  Lauren and Chan finally discuss the trailer for the upcoming season of Vanderpump Rules, which is truly teasing some amazing drama to come. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Taylor Alison Swift has been named Time?s Person of the Year and gave an actual interview, so naturally Lauren and Chan needed to chat about it, IMMEDIATELY! Listen as the gals give their thoughts on what Taylor had to say about her preparation for The Eras Tour, her ?small family business?, Kim & Kanye, creative freedom and re-recording her old music, and of course, her relationship with Travis Kelce. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan chat anniversary celebrations and the unexpected horrors of living in New York. They get into their love for Oprah and the dilemma that she might be facing after her recent public appearance. The gals then break down the Golden Bachelor finale & after the final rose special. They talk about Gerry?s relationship with one of his ladies completely unraveling after a seemingly wonderful night in the fantasy suite, and why it was actually a good thing in the long run. They also chat about Gerry and his final lady racing to the televised altar in January, ?because who knows how much time we have left.? After reading the Hollywood Reporter article on Gerry and seeing Gerry?s reaction over an unexpected trip, Lauren and Chan are confident that Gerry has an insufferable trait that gives them the ick in a big way. *spoiler alert: They will be talking about which senior citizen was offered the final rose* Lauren and Chan then get into the latest drama with the Markles of Montecito and the names that were revealed as allegedly commenting on Archie?s skin color. Finally, a quick moment on Morgan Wade appearing in RHOBH with Kyle! Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The gals chat Taylor going straight to Kansas City and, ostensibly, into the arms of Travis Kelce after her traumatic experience in Brazil.  They discuss The Eras Tour in São Paulo, where the family of Ana Clara Benevides attended the final show in Brazil. Lauren and Chan share some insider tea about Taylor Swift?s concert preparation, and what she did differently for her last night in São Paulo. They also chat about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where viewers learn more about Erika and her upbringing, as well as the difference in Kyle?s friendship with Dorit vs. Sutton. Finally, Lauren and Chan talk about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City showing some surprising vulnerability and which marriage the gals are rooting for.  Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Lauren and Chan are chatting about what is happening on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, including lots of lunches and a meme-worthy moment. They discuss the lawsuit that was filed and quickly settled between Cassie and P Diddy, as well as the major red flags they have seen around P Diddy over the years. Lauren and Chan break down the WSJ article on Travis Kelce, where he just continues to impress and show why he might be exactly what Taylor needs.Finally, they discuss the tragedy at Taylor Swift?s recent show in Brazil. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan talk about the recent Taylor Swift????Travis Kelce moments that have set social media ablaze, as well the stark difference in Taylor?s vibe with Travis compared to her relationship with Joe. They chat the recent Vogue photo spread and article on Jeff Bezos and Alive Girl Lauren Sanchez!!! The gals dive into RHOBH to talk about the most recent episode and why this franchise reigns supreme over all the Real Housewives franchises. Finally, they chat Patrick Dempsey's reign as PEOPLE Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive in 2023. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Lauren and Chan are breaking down the biggest moments from Bravo Con 2023: -What Kyle Richards revealed during her RHOBH panel discussion, and what recent actions from Mauricio have the gals shaking their heads.  -Who is coming through as an unlikely Tom Sandoval ally, and why we think Tom keeps showing up, despite being the franchise pariah.  -Why Bethenny?s ?Reality Takedown? is more of a ?Reality Raindrop.? -What is the likelihood of Heather Dubrow switching franchises, and which Housewives franchise could use a total reboot.  -How we know that a certain Housewife will not be returning for a second season. -An overview + new details from the Heather McDonald and Jeff Lewis drama Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In honor of the 1989 (Taylor?s Version) release, Lauren and Chan are here to talk about the five tracks released from The Vault: ?Slut!?, Say Don?t Go, Now That We Don?t Talk, Suburban Legends, and Is It Over Now? Listen as Lauren and Chan chat about their favorite lyrics, theorize song meanings, and use their detective skills to make connections with other songs from the original 1989 album. Hear how we now know that Taylor and Harry Styles weren?t just a casual couple during their 2012-2013 romance, what quality of Taylor Swift is rarely discussed but truly exists, and why Taylor Swift will never be comfortable as a woman on a yacht. This episode is for all the current and soon-to-be Swifties out there, since when Mother Taylor opens The Vault, everyone wins. ??? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week we posit an aching question: Is the Golden Bachelor, Gerry Turner, potentially too good to be true? We are then thrilled to welcome our guest Zack Peter from ?No Filter By Zack Peter? to the podcast to discuss everything Real Housewives! We chat all about RHONY and why Zack would give the season a B- , Bethenny?s Reality Reckoning and what we think Bethenny is really after, and RHOBH?s unraveling marriages. We also touch on a Dorit and PK conspiracy theory, and Zack?s interview with Erika Jayne, where no topic was off-limits.  Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on the podcast Chan is sent into a tailspin at the running store, Lauren shares her unexpected bonding moment with her dad, and they both share pearls of wisdom from their mom. Chatting about celebrity divorces gets Lauren to wax philosophical about good men vs. weak men and is mentioning it all, specifically which celebrities continually disappoint, and which ones must be protected at all costs. They unpack part one of the RHONY reunion, including who was bringing their fashion A-game, which Housewives got a taste of their own medicine, and which RHONY husband the gals can?t help but love. Lauren and Chan discuss the newest episode of The Kardashians, including the questions they have for Kim and the old saying they?d like to impart on Khloe. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan chat about the latest happenings with their favorite new couple, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, and why they think that these two A-listers could end up going the distance.  Lauren and Chan are here to give their advice on listener questions! Listen to hear their thoughts on: -whether you should tell people you are on Ozempic -if they feel sad they don?t live in the same city as their sisters -how to get sisters to become friends -how fast is too fast to be moving on after a breakup -parenting do?s & don?ts for your 20 year old daughter -how to handle when you and your fiancé are dreaming of very different weddings -how to deal with a chronically late mother in law on your wedding day To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan give their thoughts on the David Beckham documentary? both the truly stunning as well as the surprisingly garish. Seeing David and Victoria Beckham in their editorially controlled element was a stunning sight that may have the gals watching more soccer, ahem, football in the future. Lauren and Chan then chatted the newest episode of RHONY, which had them reversing their opinions about which cast members they were loving, and why the mean girl antics of a few Housewives really left a bad taste in their mouth. They then dug into the rumors that Mauricio Umansky may have a new woman on his arm, and why the gals are exhausted with the mental ping pong that is taking place with Mauricio and Kyle. Finally, they discussed Matthew McConaughey?s appearance on Smartness and why Chan was ready to take a cold shower after listening.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week the gals dive into the premiere of The Golden Bachelor, including all their thoughts on the tan-skinned, 71 year old hunk Gerry and his bevy of ABC beauties. Listen along as Lauren and Chan debrief on who they think is the frontrunner and which moment made them CRINGE. They also get into all things RHONY, including their thoughts on Jenna , Brynn, and Erin. Finally they discuss Taylor attending Travis's game in NY and Kyle's chat with paparazzi at LAX. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan are taking listeners on a deep dive that covers the rise and fall of Ruby Franke, the Utah mommy vlogger behind the former YouTube channel 8 Passengers. Before they get into the deep dive, special guests Courtney Grow and Kyle DeFord join Chan for an emergency Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce debrief, as this couple could be the uniting force that this country so desperately needs.  Lauren and Chan chat about the early days of 8 Passengers, which had 2.8 million subscribers at its peak. Subscribers would watch Ruby give parenting advice and glimpses into her family?s life.  There were definite warning signs of abuse going on behind the scenes, and Lauren and Chan discuss specific instances where it was clear that all was not well with this family.  When Ruby and her business partner/counselor Jodi Hildebrant were arrested in August 2023, former 8 Passengers fans were horrified to learn of the abuses that the Franke children had endured and were also left with many questions.  The gals discuss two people who have been victimized by Jodi Hildebrandt, which shows the damage that can be done when someone exercises tyrannical power over another. They also discuss the lingering million dollar question: Where was the father Kevin Franke when his children were enduring such abusive conditions? Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan have a deep dive guaranteed to bring you back to the simpler times of the early 2000?s: the Jennifer Aniston/Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie love triangle. Listen to hear all the details that had middle class American women everywhere captivated- the scandalous beginning of Brad and Angelina?s relationship, the tragic end of Brad and Jennifer Aniston?s marriage, and a look at Brad and Angelina?s relationship and marriage, including their *still* unsettled divorce and child custody battle.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren and Chan kick off this week?s episode with some criticism toward those who seem to have a little too much luxury in their DNA, the Dubrow children. It seems they have left their nouveau riche nest before gaining some life skills, and the gals have some thoughts about it. Lauren and Chan then dissect Olivia Rodrigo?s new album Guts and the songs that are allegedly about Taylor Swift. They chat about Taylor and Olivia?s falling out with the release of her first album Sour, and why Taylor?s actions may have been especially devastating to Olivia.  The gals chatted about the ever relatable Meghan Markle and her perfectly photographed visit to In-N-Out. Lauren and Chan finished the episode with a follow up discussion of Danny Masterson?s sentencing, and their utter disgust with Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis for providing character statements. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

SHOP THE "LUXURY IS IN MY DNA" MERCH DROP HERE! On today?s episode, the gals are breaking down the contentious divorce proceedings of Kevin Costner and his soon to be ex-wife Christine, as well as the trouble in paradise for Chanler?s favorite boy bander, Joe Jonas and his wife Sophie Turner.  Lauren and Chan dive into Kevin Costner?s first divorce, where ex-wife, Cindy Silva, made out like a bandit in their divorce proceedings. This explains why Kevin had an ironclad prenup with second wife Christine, which leaves her with very little in comparison. Despite her most tearful and dramatic efforts at gaining Judge sympathy and claiming their children are so used to living in luxury that it?s ?in their DNA at this point? she was not granted her request of $249,000 a month in child support.  Christine is now living a nightmare, complete with a luxury 4-bedroom Montecito rental where her children have to share a bathroom with nary an ocean view in sight. The gals don?t know how she is going to get by on her $60,000 a month child support payment and are sending their thoughts and prayers. Lauren and Chan also discuss all the evidence that indicates a split between Chan?s adolescent love Joe Jonas and wife Sophie Turner is imminent. They go through the timeline of the couple?s relationship as well as the warning signs that divorce could be looming.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN! This week on Patreon, we are deep diving Chan's surprise engagement in Portugal. Hear all about Chan's ring, her decision-making process to choosing the exact design, the nine months between picking a ring and waiting with baited breath for Ben to pop the question, and all the details of her romantic trip and betrothal. ???? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren dives into Irina Shayk?s NSFW Instagram photos with a surprising photographer. This leads one to believe that she and Tom Brady are definitely no longer seeing each other. She touches on Rachel Levisses follow up interview on Bravo Tea with Jared B, where Rachel talks about how she bought into the fictional relationship fantasy that Tom Sandoval was selling. This leads to some tough love on relationships that are lacking in reassurance and commitment. Lauren then illuminates listeners into the wonder and dissonance of the Instagram account @ballerinafarm. This stunning account is what pastural ASMR dreams are made of, although there are some facts that have some feeling a little less enchanted with the fantasy life that has been shown one stunning reel at a time.  Lauren then dives into listener questions: -which unhinged conspiracy theory might actually be true -why she hasn?t gone to any Eras tour concerts -how to spice up a marriage -how many children she would like to have -what her colorist does to her hair -where to get an engagement ring -what is her favorite lip color -will she ever get filler -if she will ever do a Patreon episode on psychedelics  -how to not give an F Finally, Lauren finishes up the episode with some late-breaking celebrity stories, such as tacky VPR cast tattoos, Erika Jaynes delusions, and Kanye?s latest antics.  Don?t forget that Casita Jewelry is giving all listeners 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS. Shine bright like a diamond with some of the truly stunning pieces found at casitajewelry.com Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The gals discuss Ariana Madix?s new cocktail book ?Single AF Cocktails: Drinks for Bad B*tches?, which will be coming to a Barnes and Noble clearance section near you in December. This leads to Chan?s controversial take on what all VPR cast members are lacking. Lauren and Chan dive into Heather Dubrow?s comments about Ozempic, which may be on its way to be viewed the same way as botox. The gals discuss their current feelings about Ozempic, and why their opinions have done a 180 since their initial podcast discussion. Aside from some celebrities blatantly lying about how they recently lost weight, Lauren and Chan fully support the Big O. In case you missed it, Taylor Swift recently attended the wedding of longtime friend and collaborator Jack Antonoff and actress Margaret Qualley. After Taylor?s presence caused the rehearsal dinner property to resemble Coachella, Lauren and Chan considered whether the fanfare that constantly accompanies Taylor served as an irritation to the bride, or if it just added to the festivities. Lauren and Chan cannot go without a quick style analysis of Taylor?s wedding looks, as well as their approval of her surgical enhancements and her choice of beverage in her Queen of the World Era. Chan leads the way though a brief Margaret Qualley bio and her short-lived romance with Shia LeBeouf, which lead to an unexpected connection with FKA Twigs. The gals finish up the episode with Lauren?s hilarious brush with Instagram scammers, who peaked her interest with their alleged abilities to remove all of Lauren?s blockages and propel her to become the star she was meant to be.  Don?t forget that Casita Jewelry is giving all listeners 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS. Shine bright like a diamond with some of the truly stunning pieces found at casitajewelry.com Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lauren recently had her eyes opened to the possibility that Taylor Alison Swift, modern poet and prophetess, has been laying Easter eggs for years that she has in fact had romances with women. The gals are not ones to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, but the evidence to support #gaylor is compelling. Lauren gives proof to the validity of this theory through social media posts, photos, and lyrical evidence that Taylor has been showing fans all along that she is more than just a LGBTQ ally. Chan then leads a detailed explanation of the Brooklyn and Nicola Peltz Beckham wedding lawsuit and countersuit between the Peltz family and their wedding planners of nine days, Plan Design Events. Brace yourself for some truly astounding details of what goes into planning the wedding of A-list and billionaire offspring, as well as how quickly things went south.  Casita Jewelry is giving all listeners 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS. Visit casitajewelry.com to see the entire collection, including Lauren and Chan?s diamond tennis bracelet.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chan leads us though an explanation of the lawsuit against Lizzo, and why Lizzo?s notes app response didn?t leave the gals feeling Good As Hell ? . Lauren and Chan give Lizzo some pointers on a more believable apology, because it?s About Damn Time for taking accountability. As if they needed another reason to love Taylor Swift, Lauren and Chan discuss the six-figure bonuses that Eras truck drivers were given last week, any why these bonuses warm their hearts more than Kris Jenner?s ?church? ever will. Chan then touches on Justin and Sophie Trudeau announcing their separation (not to be confused with President Macron of France ??), and which superstar flirtation they can get behind. Finally, the gals give a quick rundown on the Taylor Swift vs. Kim and Kanye feud for anyone living under a rock over the past 5 years, and why they are ?Enchanted ? with Dave Portnoy?s take on Taylor Swift. Casita Jewelry is giving all listeners 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS. Shop now at www.casitajewelry.com ? The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN! This week on Patreon, we celebrate Chan getting a well deserved promotion at work! At Lauren?s insistence, Chan marked the occasion by treating herself to some quiet luxury from 5th Avenue. We briefly consider changing the name of the podcast to ?Liquor Talk? after becoming Morgan Wallen fans. This idea is quickly scrapped after making two very important important considerations. Chan just finished Jessica Simpson?s memoir Open Book, and we have some thoughts about Jessica and John Mayer?s on and off relationship in the early 2000?s. We discuss what we would really like to see on RHONY instead of the fake nonsense drama that is continually featured on Real Housewives. Finally, we share our opinions about the Kardashian?s and Jenners?s ?evolving aesthetics? and why we feel rage over their years of gaslighting everyone. Tap below to hear it all: CLICK HERE TO LISTEN! Head to casitajewelry.com to get any piece of jewelry 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today?s deep dive is a double feature: the love story of not just one, but two of our US Presidents and their wives. This episode focuses very little on politics and a lot on love. No matter which side of the aisle you find yourself, buckle in and enjoy these two love stories. Listen in to hear all about how Barack and Michelle Obama met, fell in love, endured eight years as the First Family, and found each other once again outside of the White House. Next, hear all about Donald and Melania Trump?s love story, which has the common thread of enduring harsh criticism and media speculation, all the while remaining by each other?s sides.  Lauren and Chan have a fantastic announcement! Casita Jewelry is one of Lauren and Chan?s favorite jewelry brands, and they are so excited that Casita Jewelry is the August sponsor for Pop Apologists! Head to casitajewelry.com to get any piece of jewelry 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While the normal episode is coming out a day late this week, the gals were not going to leave listeners hanging! Enjoy this episode with the not only a Q&A from Lauren, but also some riveting storytelling from the frosting on the Bledsoe family cinnamon roll, the one and only Wyatt Grow!Listen as Wyatt regales Lauren and Chan with two riveting tales from David the Unicycler, a Nantucket staple, one of which includes a very famous face. Lauren then gives some advice from listener questions: What?s a good side hustle idea for a recently single mom? When is a good time for someone to try Ozempic? How to tell in-laws that you need some space? What do you say when your sister goes overboard with lip fillers? How do you handle it when it feels like your life has fallen apart? Lauren then finished out the episode by answering some quick listener questions: An unexpected Puerto Rico girl?s trip itinerary Her take on manifesting Her favorite book Her favorite gift to give a friend How many children she would like to have and what her timeline is looking like Is a move to New York City in the future? Lauren and Chan have a fantastic announcement! Casita Jewelry is one of Lauren?s favorite jewelry brands, and they are so excited that Casita Jewelry is the August sponsor for Pop Apologists!  Head to casitajewelry.com to get any piece of jewelry 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices